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Old 05-22-2007, 04:42 PM
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People who don't want to see abusive language should not have to put people on ignore just so they don't see it. There should be a filter built into the client or something, so that it is used on all of Graal, and not just playerworlds who chose to use it.
Only if it had an option to turn it on and off!
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Only if it had an option to turn it on and off!
Only if Graal is going to target an older age group, and not young children whos parents might not want their kids to see the things I have seen in game. There is more to think of besides what some of us want. If Graal is going to target a younger playerbase, then they need to make it pleasing towards the parents/caregivers also, or they are not going to pay for it even if they do have the money to do so.

I don't agree that there should be an option to turn it off. I believe it should be implemented, and used by everyone.
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Old 05-22-2007, 09:05 PM
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Old 05-22-2007, 10:03 PM
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Only if Graal is going to target an older age group, and not young children whos parents might not want their kids to see the things I have seen in game. There is more to think of besides what some of us want. If Graal is going to target a younger playerbase, then they need to make it pleasing towards the parents/caregivers also, or they are not going to pay for it even if they do have the money to do so.

I don't agree that there should be an option to turn it off. I believe it should be implemented, and used by everyone.
Have you been to the internet recently? I can get videos of porn with a few clicks. I can hear horrible language by going to youtube. I can use profanity to someone over AIM.

Quit acting like we are in the golden age of the 50's. Should we allow it? No. But can we prevent it? Absolutely not. Have you played any other games? If the players aren't old enough, they shouldn't play. You aren't going to be able to dull-down the system enough to make it completely appropriate for younger players without completely alienating a large portion of your general user-base. Just because you aren't one of those members doesn't mean you can't see how obvious this is.
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Have you been to the internet recently? I can get videos of porn with a few clicks. I can hear horrible language by going to youtube. I can use profanity to someone over AIM.

Quit acting like we are in the golden age of the 50's. Should we allow it? No. But can we prevent it? Absolutely not. Have you played any other games? If the players aren't old enough, they shouldn't play. You aren't going to be able to dull-down the system enough to make it completely appropriate for younger players without completely alienating a large portion of your general user-base. Just because you aren't one of those members doesn't mean you can't see how obvious this is.
No, I haven't been on the internet lately.
So let's all just stop trying to make things better just because we know we can't.
I don't agree with that at all. Just because you can find horrible crap all over the internet, doesn't mean the administration of Graal shouldn't do what they can to minimize it on their game.

Ignoring it is not the answer.

Oh, and if older people are going to say "OMG, if I can't use horrible language, and talk to people who just might be kids the way I want, I am not going to play!"
Then maybe they should find something else to do with their time.
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Only if Graal is going to target an older age group, and not young children whos parents might not want their kids to see the things I have seen in game. There is more to think of besides what some of us want. If Graal is going to target a younger playerbase, then they need to make it pleasing towards the parents/caregivers also, or they are not going to pay for it even if they do have the money to do so.

I don't agree that there should be an option to turn it off. I believe it should be implemented, and used by everyone.
It's a hard thing to implement because although Graal is intended for youngsters, the majority of people who develop and script or do whatever are older players, and they may get pissed and head to a more age-friendly game if everything gets dumbed down for children at some point.

If I was a parent, I probably wouldn't let my kid play Graal, or I would play at the same time and only go on playerworlds with nice people. Not like Era or NPulse, but maybe GK. You can spend hours killing beach crabs to level up a newb on there without seeing anyone.
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No, I haven't been on the internet lately.
So let's all just stop trying to make things better just because we know we can't.
I don't agree with that at all. Just because you can find horrible crap all over the internet, doesn't mean the administration of Graal shouldn't do what they can to minimize it on their game.

Ignoring it is not the answer.

Oh, and if older people are going to say "OMG, if I can't use horrible language, and talk to people who just might be kids the way I want, I am not going to play!"
Then maybe they should find something else to do with their time.
Did you read my post at all? I said that we shouldn't just allow it, because I knew you were going to take this off-point response as your defense, yet, you still did. Congrats.

Anyway, the point is that if someone is in-game and they're talking to another friend, it becomes annoying when some words are blocked, or restrictions are made that seem a little bit harsh. It's unattractive. Especially when you already have people that are supposed to enforce rules. What exactly is their job if you already have systems built in to control any negative feedback?

Over-protective swear filters are a huge turnoff, and have turned me away from a few servers.

Maybe if you didn't have you "what's wrong with kids today" attitude (and don't try to deny it) you would have a little different outlook.
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Old 05-22-2007, 11:26 PM
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This game promotes killing, violence, and gangs, and we got 4 pages discussing cussing?
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Old 05-22-2007, 11:34 PM
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Did you read my post at all? I said that we shouldn't just allow it, because I knew you were going to take this off-point response as your defense, yet, you still did. Congrats.
So then I wont bother. I don't feel like wasting my time that can be spent doing something that matters, other than arguing with people who want to cuss on a game. I said all I wanted to say anyway.

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This game promotes killing, violence, and gangs, and we got 4 pages discussing cussing?
So does quite a few video games, popular ones too, but you don't see the vulgar speach in them. It doesn't take away from the fun factor either.
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Moon Goddess Graal Online has already put in a good amount of effort to keep naughty words and harassment away. But it's not right to go to the point of complete censorship just because the kid's parents can't keep their children away from bad content. If someone curses on Graal, Graal Online has already put in an effort to say that it's bad and players shouldn't do it...its the parent's job to protect their children from such content.

People get jailed and sometimes banned from profanity, anything else is the job of the parents not Graal Online. :/

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Moon Goddess Graal Online has already put in a good amount of effort to keep naughty words and harassment away. But it's not right to go to the point of complete censorship just because the kid's parents can't keep their children away from bad content. If someone curses on Graal, Graal Online has already put in an effort to say that it's bad and players shouldn't do it...its the parent's job to protect their children from such content.

People get jailed and sometimes banned from profanity, anything else is the job of the parents not Graal Online. :/

That's just my 2.53 cents.
Yea, it is the parents job to say their children cannot play Graal or other games because of vulgar chat, you are right...nuff said there.

Yes, Graalonline has done alot to safeguard members from certain things, but Graal is player run, and mostly by children....nuff said there too.

In the end, the administration will decide what age group they mostly want to appeal to, and adjust securities to match it, I suppose. *shrugs*
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Yes, Graalonline has done alot to safeguard members from certain things, but Graal is player run, and mostly by children....nuff said there too.
Teenagers aren't children...O_o
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It's true other games have violence, killing, and gangs, but they're rated T for teen which suggests an older age level than 13, maybe just a little. In my own opinion, Graal should be rated M unless they can get a faster working profanity blocker that doesn't have a second or two of lag. That means it would have to be built in.
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There might not be a need to censor things, but I always find logging things=good.
One of the games I played logged every single action, so in case anything like harassment happened, there were logs for proof, instead of relying on he say she say crap. There's nothing wrong with having some logs in case anything ever happened, I know when I worked on stuff I always logged things. And it's not like it takes a huge chunk out of an NAT's time.
As for censoring, waste of time.
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