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Old 05-27-2009, 09:37 PM
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The next Graal client

It should have been released months ago. There is no reason to keep us waiting this long for updates that we've been needing, such as Intel support for Mac, external windows, clientside callstack, and all the other features.

Focus more on "sets" of updates so that you can actually finish them. You've been too busy adding more and more new features that you haven't released the "old" features yet.

Stop aiming for Graal v6 and aim for Graal v5.2.
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Old 05-27-2009, 10:29 PM
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Old 05-27-2009, 10:31 PM
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I agree. I don't see the need of only releasing the next big update instead of just giving the client minor updates that are really needed.
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Old 05-27-2009, 10:44 PM
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Well, the actual windows client isn't ready yet for the new version and there are quite a few other bugs still.
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Old 05-27-2009, 10:52 PM
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Well, the actual windows client isn't ready yet for the new version and there are quite a few other bugs still.
My latest build of the Mac Intel 64-bit client is actually not too bad, it has a few minor bugs but nothing that stops gameplay.
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Old 05-27-2009, 10:54 PM
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My latest build of the Mac Intel 64-bit client is actually not too bad, it has a few minor bugs but nothing that stops gameplay.
Yea, the mac and linux ones are pretty up-to-date and ready to go. Except I don't think obj.trigger() is working in those yet (?) that's definitely something that needs to be addressed.

Biggest problem is the windows client since that's what most graal users use.
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Fix external windows in v5.2 to not use the ugly skins, fix the positioning problems, and fix how it defaults the crappy scripted playerlist then release it.
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:01 PM
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crappy scripted playerlist
Actually, I plan to rescript the playerlist with Rage from UN to make it more friendly for people to use and more welcoming with the new client.

Things I would like to add in the new playerlist (please note that none of this has been approved by Stefan, and these are just my ideas):
  • Ability to embed YouTube videos in PMs (will be able to be disabled with an option).
  • Collapsing/Expanding groups (like buddies, guilds, etc).
  • Creating your own groups (instead of only having default: Staff, Buddies, Guild, Players)
  • Smoother UI including buttons for easy hyperlinking and adding smilies for PMs, etc.
  • Resizable PM windows (meaning you can click & drag that space in between the message & the text edit area and move it up and down to resize the PM... not sure how well I explained it).
  • Cleaner skin & smoother look
  • Other UI improvements.

Feel free to make a new thread outlining improvements you'd like to see in the new playerlist if you have some ideas.

All in all, once it's been rescripted, it should actually be nicer than the current external playerlist in the current version.
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Old 05-28-2009, 02:40 PM
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Actually, I plan to rescript the playerlist with Rage from UN to make it more friendly for people to use and more welcoming with the new client.
As long as you can make it look and feel like the current playerlist I'm cool with it.
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As long as you can make it look and feel like the current playerlist I'm cool with it.
Agreed.
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:16 PM
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As long as you can make it look and feel like the current playerlist I'm cool with it.
That would be ideal, actually, because it would be easier to provide updates.

The problem with their argument for scripted tools is that, while they may be easier to update, and work on all platforms, they come nowhere near to the quality of the external tools. There's nothing wrong with stuff being scripted into GS2 as long as no quality is lost.
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:23 PM
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Things I would like to add in the new playerlist (please note that none of this has been approved by Stefan, and these are just my ideas):
  • Ability to embed YouTube videos in PMs (will be able to be disabled with an option).
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  • Smoother UI including buttons for easy hyperlinking and adding smilies for PMs, etc.

Feel free to make a new thread outlining improvements you'd like to see in the new playerlist if you have some ideas.

All in all, once it's been rescripted, it should actually be nicer than the current external playerlist in the current version.
Please do not over-complicate it though, the thing that's worst about the custom playerlist on UN is the pure amount of buttons it has that makes it ugly and confusing.
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:28 PM
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Please do not over-complicate it though, the thing that's worst about the custom playerlist on UN is the pure amount of buttons it has that makes it ugly and confusing.
I agree with that, but I think that's just bad implementation. There is nothing wrong with adding features, but they could be better organized, rather then placed in a clutter (see Microsoft's latest "Ribbon" interface for an example of how NOT to do it).
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Old 05-29-2009, 01:53 AM
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Please do not over-complicate it though, the thing that's worst about the custom playerlist on UN is the pure amount of buttons it has that makes it ugly and confusing.
Oh, I agree completely. Like I said, I don't even have Stefan's permission to do any of this yet either.
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Please do not over-complicate it though, the thing that's worst about the custom playerlist on UN is the pure amount of buttons it has that makes it ugly and confusing.
Skyld, that playerlist hasn't been public for like a year now. It has changed a lot since you last saw it.

Besides, it'd be a barebone version suitable for all servers.
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