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Old 01-16-2011, 01:32 AM
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For starters : I have been learrning to script on the Testbed server, and I appreciate the chance for being allowed to be on that server. Next I have used forums a couple of times to get help scripting when I have needed it. When I have used the forums I have gotten help within a decent amount of time. I guess that my curiousity has gotten the better of me and I have decided to place this thread. I know some or maybe most of the developers have a home server that they work for. I also understand that most of us have lives (myself included) and cannot work on Graal for major amounts of tme. What i don't understand is how developers don't develop for a purpose? They make random odd and in things, which are very complicated and really cool, but the things created wouldn't really contribute to a server or help an existing one along. It just seems odd to me that when servers ask for help, rarely any truely talented developers respond. This isn't in response to my thread in the for hire section becuase (as I put in that thread) I really didn't expect the idea to pass from forums to fruition.
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Old 01-16-2011, 01:36 AM
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Old 01-16-2011, 01:57 AM
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This is the main reason why I am the only developer for my server. I've noticed that other devs want to work on their own projects which may have nothing to do with my server and ones that do work on what I give them take many days to show any progress or work. I have just been believing developers are too loose in their thoughts and organization to work on a single project.
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Old 01-16-2011, 02:09 AM
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Here are some common reasons developers don't work on servers:
  • They are already working on a project in Graal, so they can't pick up anything else major.
  • They don't care about Graal enough to dedicate their time to it.
  • They don't like Graal at all.

Making a fun little script or helping on the forums is miles and miles away from the amount of work it takes to get anything done on a server. Most people realize that, so they generally don't even bother making commitments and failing to meet them.
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Old 01-16-2011, 02:25 AM
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Here are some common reasons developers don't work on servers:
  • They are already working on a project in Graal, so they can't pick up anything else major.
  • They don't care about Graal enough to dedicate their time to it.
  • They don't like Graal at all.

Making a fun little script or helping on the forums is miles and miles away from the amount of work it takes to get anything done on a server. Most people realize that, so they generally don't even bother making commitments and failing to meet them.
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Learning development for most if not all players also breaks down some of the joy and mystery of the game so what do you have left? It can even amplify their enjoyment for the game knowing they can create but the first is more likely than the latter.
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Old 01-16-2011, 04:08 AM
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Maybe I'll go back to developing when someone integrates playerworlds into github and there is actually reference documentation so I do not have to ****ing guess what javascript feature/API are being badly imitated every other line
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Maybe I'll go back to developing when someone integrates playerworlds into github and there is actually reference documentation so I do not have to ****ing guess what javascript feature/API are being badly imitated every other line
You must be mistaken...there is documentation! Why, sometimes Stefan posts about features no one has ever heard of...theres a wiki full of documentation thats been jumbled into hundreds of pages without descriptions of what anything does....

You just have to spend a few hours hopelessly searching for what your looking for.
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Old 01-16-2011, 05:36 AM
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Unfortunately, the few people i've seen who are amazingly dedicated, aren't amazingly talented.

The talented one's are.. well what WhiteDragon said.
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Old 01-16-2011, 06:01 AM
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tbh personally it's because I'm just bitter about the way that Graal is being handled from the top down.
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Old 01-16-2011, 06:08 AM
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Graal is a hobby. Servers tend to turn it into a chore.
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Old 01-16-2011, 06:18 AM
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Graal is a hobby. Servers tend to turn it into a chore.
Only to those uninspired.
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Old 01-16-2011, 06:46 AM
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Only to those uninspired.
If you are just working for someone else, you're rarely "inspired." The people who tend to be inspired are the ones heading the servers. Even if you're inspired, your that doesn't last forever, rarely long enough to finish a project... then commitment issues arise.
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Old 01-16-2011, 06:49 AM
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If you are just working for someone else, you're rarely "inspired." The people who tend to be inspired are the ones heading the servers. Even if you're inspired, your that doesn't last forever, rarely long enough to finish a project... then commitment issues arise.
If there was money involved, people would be more commited.

But since there isn't money involved, people aren't commited.

So those who can say money is involved should be making the big servers, not the players. (except players doesn't really count as an applicable term since all the "players" who make Graal aren't quite "players")

And I may be something of a noob, but if I think this, I can imagine those who have played Graal for a long time and have developed Graal over the years think 500x more strongly than I do. Which isn't good.
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Money... Inspiration... Bull****.


Throughout the years I've only developed on servers I've had amazing fun to play on (excluding my own projects and Zodiac, which I was simply asked by a friend to help with), so it felt natural for me to want to help develop the server further. I've never needed any other reason than that.
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Old 01-16-2011, 05:30 PM
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If there was money involved, people would be more commited.

But since there isn't money involved, people aren't commited.
Lots of people write code for lots of non-graal-related projects without getting paid, though.

But I do kind of miss having a free lifetime subscription. I wonder whether that means I am dead to Graal now.
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