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Old 02-22-2009, 12:14 AM
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Can anyone explain to me what company owns which? I thought i knew, but reading the above posts i think i am wrong. Does Cyberjours handout licenses? If so then that means they gave one to fairyland and Graal correct? Also, what is the big discussion thats happening here?

Someone wants it where a person can purchase the rights to copy graal and make their own "Graal"?
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:35 AM
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Can anyone explain to me what company owns which? I thought i knew, but reading the above posts i think i am wrong. Does Cyberjours handout licenses? If so then that means they gave one to fairyland and Graal correct? Also, what is the big discussion thats happening here?

Someone wants it where a person can purchase the rights to copy graal and make their own "Graal"?
Fairyland isn't related to the topic at hand, it was merely referenced as an example. Linux Cyberjoueurs recently changed their name to Eurocenter - they're essentially the same business.

Eurocenter is actively marketting the "QuattroPlay" engine (Graal Online game engine) to any interested party, with the proposed scheme of:
  • QuattroPlay Silver for independent developer, game hobbyist.
  • QuattroPlay Gold for all companies needs
  • QuattroPlay Platinium for big projects / companies needs.

Eurocenter would still own all "Graal Online" trademarks and copyrights, protecting it from duplication unless that was otherwise specified in their licensing contracts.

The matter at hand is, for all intensive purposes, that Cyberjoueurs (Eurocenter) has been drifting further from their poorly developing community (us at Graal Online) towards developing the platform solely for the purpose of marketing it. Some people aren't aware of this, and are still requesting developments for Graal Online, some people are aware and are instead trying to find alternatives to the (modern) development tools they requested.
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Old 02-22-2009, 01:17 AM
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It would be nice to see someone else purchase this game that has some real money to spend.
It could picture the meeting between Unix and the potential buyer, where Unix proceeds to demand one billion dollars for it.
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Old 02-22-2009, 01:19 AM
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Fairyland isn't related to the topic at hand, it was merely referenced as an example. Linux Cyberjoueurs recently changed their name to Eurocenter - they're essentially the same business.

Eurocenter is actively marketting the "QuattroPlay" engine (Graal Online game engine) to any interested party, with the proposed scheme of:
  • QuattroPlay Silver for independent developer, game hobbyist.
  • QuattroPlay Gold for all companies needs
  • QuattroPlay Platinium for big projects / companies needs.

Eurocenter would still own all "Graal Online" trademarks and copyrights, protecting it from duplication unless that was otherwise specified in their licensing contracts.

The matter at hand is, for all intensive purposes, that Cyberjoueurs (Eurocenter) has been drifting further from their poorly developing community (us at Graal Online) towards developing the platform solely for the purpose of marketing it. Some people aren't aware of this, and are still requesting developments for Graal Online, some people are aware and are instead trying to find alternatives to the (modern) development tools they requested.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I honestly don't think Graal has any legitimate copyrights. They're public, and in previous threads search attempts returned nothing.

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Old 02-22-2009, 11:11 AM
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The matter at hand is, for all intensive purposes, that Cyberjoueurs (Eurocenter) has been drifting further from their poorly developing community (us at Graal Online) towards developing the platform solely for the purpose of marketing it. Some people aren't aware of this, and are still requesting developments for Graal Online, some people are aware and are instead trying to find alternatives to the (modern) development tools they requested.
So we can't expect updates for GraalOnline, even if we pay for it, and should licence it instead and build up a competitor to GraalOnline?
Wierd business mechamism...
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Old 02-22-2009, 06:06 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I honestly don't think Graal has any legitimate copyrights. They're public, and in previous threads search attempts returned nothing.

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What does being 'public' have to do with anything? In a legal sense, GraalOnline/Eurocenter isn't a public company, because it has no stocks that are publicly traded.

Furthermore, of course GraalOnline hold 'legitimate copyrights'. Simply publishing the code for the game has issued a copyright under their name.

If you're questioning their legitimacy as a company, meaning whether or not they are incorporated, LLC, etc., I haven't seen anything indicating that they are. Of course, France may operate differently in regards to those details than the United States.

Though, a quick investigation of their mailing address leads to a building owned a French domicile/secretary/business mail forwarding company, so I would imagine that they are 'legitimate'.
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Old 02-22-2009, 07:55 PM
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First they need to fix playertouchsme, but I agree. Graal is a great learning engine and have always thought that.
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Old 02-23-2009, 01:59 AM
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Sorry but this is not a place to discuss weird theories about the company structure or rights. It's usual in the business world to put different acitvities into separate companies. Also if you are not blind you might have seen we are actively updating the servers and the game (last week: adding TDrawingPanel to npcserver and fixing memory leaks on gserver, spent hours on a rollback and script help for Zodiac, support center help for fixing accounts and subscriptions, improving server security and stability, speeding up the particle engine and making it work in the latest Graal version for Windows again) and also working a lot on a new game client although our main focus is currently to expand the business into the mobile phone market and especially mobile online games. That business is represented by Eurocenter which you can see on the website.
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