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Old 05-31-2009, 06:10 PM
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The Quality Of Staff

I'm just interested to know why there is an increasing number of developers on the server that are nowhere near the level needed to make the server the standard that people are expecting it to be. I am aware that there is a thin dev pool, but you haven't even tried. With Classic's competitors having several advantages over it, I really can't see where you're going with this.

Classic is a server that had content unique to itself in 2000, but now most of what we had is offered elsewhere. If you're planning on re-releasing this said content with these staff, it is not going to better any of the competitors at all. Servers such as Delteria which have had an overhaul are going to kick our ass when they're released, possibly to the point where Classic has no chance in hell, and you believe that we honestly have time to sit and play dev school to everyone who opens the Level Editor or MS Paint? Maybe you're just grateful that you're getting staff, but this is a server revival and a server progression; quantity means **** without quality.
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Old 05-31-2009, 07:13 PM
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its not like champ devs arrive at my doorstop here. i see potential and concern for classic as a key hiring point. when a key dev comes along i usually pick them in a second
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Old 05-31-2009, 07:17 PM
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No, because this is getting ridiculous now. The latest hiring has just started making levels and isn't even up to general standards yet. Sadly he's not the only one, and with practically an entire team of people who haven't got appropriate experience and haven't had any standards laid out in front of them, who do you think are they going to pick it up from?
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Old 05-31-2009, 07:44 PM
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People will work for the server if they're interested in the content of the server; release something to get their attention, the levels don't have to be great to release the content as they can be amended when help arrives.
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Old 05-31-2009, 07:51 PM
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People will work for the server if they're interested in the content of the server; release something to get their attention, the levels don't have to be great to release the content as they can be amended when help arrives.
Assigning LATs who have only just started creating levels to remaking entire towns is not going to turn out well and if content like this turns out even worse than what it currently is, what do you think that is going to do to the interest of the server?
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Old 05-31-2009, 08:08 PM
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Assigning LATs who have only just started creating levels to remaking entire towns is not going to turn out well and if content like this turns out even worse than what it currently is, what do you think that is going to do to the interest of the server?
The development team need to get new and exisiting customers back by getting their interest in something new and different. You don't need a fantastic LAT to develop levels for this suggestion as the levels they do create could always be updated in the future. Re-modeling a town won't get much publicity, I'd be concerned about the future of Classic if they're planning on another re-vamp or modifications to the fundamentals of the server.
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Rufus, if only 1 person applies for the job, and you need help badly, are you going to hire that person whether or not they are that good?
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The development team need to get new and exisiting customers back by getting their interest in something new and different. You don't need a fantastic LAT to develop levels for this suggestion as the levels they do create could always be updated in the future. Re-modeling a town won't get much publicity, I'd be concerned about the future of Classic if they're planning on another re-vamp or modifications to the fundamentals of the server.
I agree with you, but you're missing the main point of what actually does attract people to servers: aesthetics and gameplay. In this regard, remodeling a town provides a good backbone for further developments, such as better quests, better exploration, minigames, and other various purposes that can be implemented alongside it. I can understand why a lot of the level content should be remade such as Destiny, because it is crap and needs better planning, construction, and thought put behind it; Getting a LAT who has just started making levels to remake towns is dumb however. It's not just the levels staff that are new to the development circuit and Classic itself though.

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Rufus, if only 1 person applies for the job, and you need help badly, are you going to hire that person whether or not they are that good?
Where are the hiring threads to indicate that help is needed? Where are the prospects of working on Classic being advertised?
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There dont seem to be prospects for working other than to save your home server and do your part, no matter how small or large it may be.
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Old 05-31-2009, 08:33 PM
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There dont seem to be prospects for working other than to save your home server and do your part, no matter how small or large it may be.
Working on a server that has a potential future as a top server again and looks like it is heading that way, perhaps?
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Old 05-31-2009, 08:35 PM
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All sounds good on paper, but developers outside of classic usually never turn out to stick around. Its the fickle thing about development, the moment the direction turns to that of a direction which that dev doesnt agree with, that dev has the skill to pack up and go elsewhere.
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Instead of complaining, you should work on Bomy Island.

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All sounds good on paper, but developers outside of classic usually never turn out to stick around. Its the fickle thing about development, the moment the direction turns to that of a direction which that dev doesnt agree with, that dev has the skill to pack up and go elsewhere.
Developers seem to enjoy working for other servers, but does anyone think Classic has a real future at the moment? That is the problem. If you have a direction from the inception then developers would know what they were in for, rather than just making it up as you go along. You are not helping your 'catch22' problem by continuously hiring developers that are not good, because there is no counter balance, and if the content needs to be remade in the future then you are just wasting time.

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