Monthly Spar Tournament: April 2009

[BlackSolider]

You're right mystic. You're absolutely right. After all these posts I finally get it.

It IS the Classic Monthly Sparring tournament, isn't it?

And the people who won a qualifying spar got into the tournament, right?

So when the foreigners don't win a qualifying spar, THEY DON'T GET IN THE MOTHER ****ING TOURNAMENT. Go figure. Guess you weren't right after all, as usual.

So before I even ****ing continue, we've already stated that we host 8 summon spars, right?

So tell me, how many summon spars can a person pm a GC to get into? I'll answer my own ****ing question. It's ****ing eight. That means each person has a minimum eight chances to get in, regardless of what server they came from. No, UNers aren't going to know where our sparring arenas are. No, UNers might not be ready for the harsh reality that is having the pre-mass pm ready. So? Not our ****ing problem. If you come to our server, you better adjust to our ways if you want to get in the tournament. Not the other way around. Era doesn't expect switch their sparring tournaments into swords (or equivalent) only just b/c some classicians show up. Hell no. When you visit another country, you adjust to their rules and ways. Sure, they try to accommodate for you a bit (hence why we don't have 16 location spars,) but that has limits. Singapore, for instance, fines people for spitting gum in public. If an American comes over and spits his gum somewhere in Singapore, they don't ****ing change the laws just b/c hes not from Singapore. Hell ****ing no.

Back to classic. Duda its not that hard. Everyone has a minimum 8 chances to get in. If you don't get in, you can't win the tournament. Simple concept. Why should foreigners be on par with classicians? Because thats somehow "fairer"? People who have played in our spar tournaments before will know to have a PM ready. People who have played our server before will know where some of our spar locations are. You can't get around that. People who have done it before will have an advantage. It's called experience. Pros will always have an edge over rookies. Why are you trying to nullify the advantages people have gained by spending time on our server? "Hey thanks for spending 2k hours here but pretend to not know were supernicks spar is so this foreigner has a fair chance." Is that really what you want to tell people? "Yo don't have a pm ready for when I mass b/c these guys don't know to do that." Seriously man?

To get into a tournament, you have to earn your way in. It's never going to be "completely fair" to outsiders simply because they aren't used to our HD while people here might be. Should we use UN's HD to make it more fair to them? No. People who have played here deserve to have some sort of edge. And they do. They know how it works. It's not their fault that foreigners don't know how it works. Don't punish the people who know simply because a few random ppl don't. It's not fair to the people of classic.

(Ps: at college basketball example. Remind me the last time when North Carolina played a different amount of games as Gonzaga. Oh wait, they didn't. Thus they had the same number of chances to earn their way into the big dance.)

[Gotenks_Gore]

didnt night already say no? so why is mystic still *****ing?

[BlackSolider]

He did.

Look at it this way. Mystic wants to "even the playing field" because foreigners aren't familiar with our server (I wonder why...maybe b/c they're foreigners?) and try to negate the advantage classicians have of knowning our spar locations and "knowing to have a pm ready for the gc's mass" since, apparently, foreigners don't know to do that. Right.

Gladius wants to preserve the "advantage" classicians have because, well, they've spent time on classic. They know where things are. They know how things are done. You can't ask people to forget what they know to make it "fair" for foreigners.

The fact is, no matter what server someone is from, there are still 8 summon spars. Anyone and everyone has the same opportunity to pm in those 8 times. Whether they are fast enough or not is their own problem, not classics. We don't adapt to fit 1-time visitors. They adapt to try and get into our monthly.

Thats how I see it. Mystic wants to make things "even" so everyone has a "fair chance" because he doesn't like it when people (like tats did this monthly) get 4 chances to qualify, thus "leaving someone out" who simply wasn't fast enough. Since when is being fast something to be punished for? You get what you earn. If you were one of the first two to pm in, you get to spar. Those are the rules. You don't just show up on the server and get in the tournament. You've got to earn it by being the first two to a location and winning, or by being the first two to pm and winning. If you don't, you don't get in the tournament. Simple as that.

[Gotenks_Gore]

i have a hugedelay on PMs and i made it into a summon spar so dont give me that crap mystic
and also im about 3/5 as fast as the normal player and i make it to several locations lmao so if you cant beat me there then you shouldnt be trying to get into the monthly

[Shadow87]

Also, as mystic said, I'm right. If you had more GCs hosting it, this wouldn't be an issue at all.

[MysticX2X]

Night never said no to the amount of chances issue. That is what is being debated about.

Gotenks, I suggest you actually read sometimes.


I'll reply a bit later to the more useless points thrown at me once I get back.

[xnervNATx]

hey this is not the god damn gc board , calm down or go there

[BlackSolider]

Everyone has eight chances to get in to the summon spars. Classicians are going to have an edge because they know how things work while these 1-time visitors from other servers don't. Nothing you can do about that. Now quit crying before I pull out the history and show you what night really said.

[Shadow87]

Night never said how many chances because its never been an issue mystic, because if the GCs were on to host it like they should be, this wouldn't be an issue, its very simple. It destroys your point of the debate. And no i do not care if they have a life or not, its usually determined before hand which ones would be hosting it. Nights admin so he really does not have to be on for it, but he should pick a few to do it and they should be saying Yes. And if they cant' then they can't, but that means less GCs, and more chances for me and others to get our chances.

So this should be done already, the answer to the debate, to this whole issue, is the amount of GCs that host the monthly. That is something you need to work out within GC, clearly.

Maybe start hiring GCs who actually have that passion for hosting? None of you have it anymore, its completely gone, you all just fight with eachother. Glad and Mystic host, but seem like they dont enjoy it much, Glad and Clel bicker to the moon and back (much like me and clel did) Luda, he doesn't give a ****, don't you say otherwise luda, you clearly don't. Who else is GC? Oh right death...i hardly am in his events i don't even know when he hosts. So ya, point being, no bond, no passion, none of you really seem to care about actually hosting, just *****ing about it.

So please, either try to regain that, leave the monthly as is, stop with all the debating, i mean this is the most debating i've seen come out of the team in years. And if that can't stop...maybe Night you need to hire some new GCs?

[BlackSolider]

Ok so let's throw all of our eggs into one basket, wrap this thing up, and put a cute little bow on it, shall we?

Tats is correct. Whether you support trying to "even the playing field" to help foreigners (mystic,) or whether you support classicians having their advantages because they have played the server for so long and thus know how the procedure goes (gladius,) if there were 4 GCs online the same person wouldn't likely get into four spars. Everyone would still have 8 chances minimum to get in (summon spars,) but GCs would be hosting them simultaneously so they couldn't get into more than 2 most likely.

Now, the only question remaining is whether mystic will be pig headed enough to reply to all 4 or so posts I made, or whether he'll read these last few by tats and myself and end this pointless argument.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Shadow87

So this should be done already, the answer to the debate, to this whole issue, is the amount of GCs that host the monthly. That is something you need to work out within GC, clearly.

Clearly.

Originally Posted by Last Month Hosted By 4 GC's

Qualifying Rounds

Night's Qualifying Rounds

• 2k vs. *Myself - 2k won by 3hp.
• Squirt vs. Shannon - Squirt won by 4hp.
• Shannon vs. PH@NTOM - PH@NTOM won by 5hp.
• Ikari vs. Marvel - Ikari won by 3 hp.

Luda's Qualifying Rounds

• Crono vs. Cody - Crono won by 3hp.
• Cody vs. Xaphan - Cody won by 1hp.
• *Myself vs. Thor - Myself won by 4hp.
• Frostbite vs. Midi - Frostbite won by 1 hp.

Mystic's Qualifying Rounds

• Ares vs. Shannon - Ares won by 2hp.
• Hero vs. Laura - Hero won by 2hp.
• Xaphan vs. Jade - Xaphan won by 3hp.
• Door vs. Jade - Door won by 3hp.

Death's Qualifying Rounds

• Gemini vs. Rufus - Gemini won by 1hp.
• Skyzer vs. Rufus - Skyzer won by 1hp.
• Rufus vs. Shannon - Rufus won by 4hp.
• Thor vs. Sam - Thor won by 2hp.

[Shadow87]

One more thing to add on, Mystic, you are fighting hard for these outer server players, but let me to make this even more put in stone so it ends.

Classic has a way of doing things, we don't change what we do for other players, especially ones who don't play our servers. So think about it this way, do they change their ways for us? If i log onto UN, would they tell me that i have to put spar tourney in my nick to enter? No, i have to realize it on the player list, and that's their way of doing that. We are pretty simple, and if they cant figure it out, then they are probably an idiot.

No server should change how they host events, what they do, procedure, shouldn't change just because a player or two complains because they didnt get a fair chance, too bad, piss off go back to UN, sorry but its true, no one there would be complaining on our behalf if we went there.

[Shadow87]

Okay? Nice way to be an idiot Rufus. And also thank you for ruining both our closing statements, way to fuel the rest of the fire with something as dumb as that.

Great so you showed with more GCs, not only could jade, shannon and yourself get in more because you couldn't win the first time, but a lot of other players were able to enter!!

See, point made again, thanks Rufus.

So again, more GCs, more chances for everyone.

*****.

-Let me also point out, that there is only 16 winners there, so that either isn't a real monthly, or it flopped. Thus should not be counting towards this. Again...Idiot. Show us a real monthly chart
-Also to point out a funny aspect of that chart..Rufus and Jade and Shannon had some chances, both could not win a spar, but Rufus ended up getting in eventually by beating Shannon...LOL

-Another edit, aren't Jade and Shannon the same person? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Shadow87

Okay? Nice way to be an idiot Rufus. And also thank you for ruining both our closing statements, way to fuel the rest of the fire with something as dumb as that. Great so you showed with more GCs, not only could jade and yourself get in more because you couldn't win the first time, but a lot of other players were able to enter!!

Don't see how my post is a closing statement, your post is misinformed. Jade entered last month's tournament six times and I was allowed to enter three times. Having more Game Coordinator's online does not solve the problem that Mystic was talking about.

Originally Posted by Shadow87

-Let me also point out, that there is only 16 winners there, so that either isn't a real monthly, or it flopped. Thus should not be counting towards this. Again...Idiot. Show us a real monthly chart

There's 16 this month too, does that mean this month was also not a "real" monthly?

[Shadow87]

And there were only 2 GCs on, and i was the one who got the most chances, just me.

and 4 GCs could have done 32 man, 2 GCs probably would have more problems with it.

So if this was a 16 man this month, then no, it was not a real monthly. Go read the definition of the Classic monthly spar tourney and you tell me what it says.
I have the real one so don't go making it up, GC trivia guide is very helpful.

As i said before and ill say again, it IS the problem, even with just 16 man, 4 GCs hosted it, more people got more chances, not just one.

Just realize that Rufus is now fueling the fire with very stupid statements, clearly the problem are the amount of GCs to host it, and the fact that the monthly is being hosted without even the correct amount of players on to play in it.

Thats something i did just realize though, player count plays a big part. If you cant get the 32, shouldnt host it, skip the month i dont know, but ya. If its gonna be hosted with 16 people then Mystic shouldnt even have been complaining in the first place.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Shadow87

And there were only 2 GCs on, and i was the one who got the most chances, just me.

Originally Posted by Shadow87

More GCs hosting = less chance i get of getting in, because ill be busy in another spar while they are hosting.

Originally Posted by Rufus

Jade entered last month's tournament six times and I was allowed to enter three times. Having more Game Coordinator's online does not solve the problem that Mystic was talking about.

Originally Posted by Shadow87

And there were only 2 GCs on, and i was the one who got the most chances, just me.

Right

Originally Posted by Shadow87

Go read the definition of the Classic monthly spar tourney and you tell me what it says.
I have the real one so don't go making it up, GC trivia guide is very helpful.

Lmao.. what? Now they're not even hosting real monthly tournaments, even though you said earlier this is how things are on Classic? Even though Night is online for each nearly every single month, and has been doing this for years, the monthly is no longer real. Seemingly you cannot keep up with what even you're saying yourself, so yeah, this one is going to be my closing statement

[Cetellic]

You guys are stupid, Kia says something negative about the monthly and it gets retarded from there... I never really liked the way the monthly went myself but it's not like we have a dominant say in how the monthly is ran, so pls stfu.

And Gladius/Mystic, honestly I've been waiting for you guys to grow up and get to the point where you can put a stop to the endless arguments yourself instead of waiting for the other person, I've been saying from the beginning that discussions aren't going to go anywhere with peeps being held up on pride all day, and if you can't fix it just stfu and don't bother in the first place cause you holding us back.

[Gotenks_Gore]

clel your no fun anymore

[Shadow87]

No Rufus i just think you can't understand anything anyone has to say unless you say it yourself.

Firstly, no Night is not on for every monthly ill say that right there.
Secondly, I said classic does not have to change its ways for other server players, its never had to change.
Third, Skipping a monthly, is not the same as changing what classic does, if you cannot get 32 players to play the monthly, and you only have 16 players who are sparring, then its just a 16 man spar tourney. A monthly is 32 players, that's not what we had, so its not a monthly. I didn't realize we did not have 32, so you need to learn to read better, maybe go back and take a class or something.
And ill say it again, yes i had the most chances to spar because only 2 GCs were hosting and I pretty much know where anything is on classic and I'm fast at typing so it is not hard for me to keep getting a chance. If there were more GCs on to host with 32 players, it would not go down like that. For players who complain that they could not get a chance, well I'm sorry you are most likely an idiot.



So ill say it again people, Rufus is adding fuel to the fire, ignore it, hes just being a woman like usual. This is over, we know the problem, its up to the GCs to fix it and thats that.

[BlackSolider]

Looking at APRIL'S monthly, we had a playercount of about 40. I'd guesstimate that we had about 25-30 people who were really trying to get into the tournament. Maybe even more, idk. IF we had more GCs online for THIS past monthly, the odds are that players would have been involved in a spar and thus not able to enter another GC's spar.

Looking at rufus' example, clearly that problem still exists if we only have 20 or less people trying to enter. I don't know the playercount from the time of the monthly and I can't guess why jade/shannon got into so many of the same GC's spars. I am concluding that not enough people were trying to get in, and thus the same person was able to keep getting into spars despite 4 GCs hosting.

Thus, IF we had a similar 40+ playercount like in april and IF we had 4 gcs online like other monthlys, this problem is LESS LIKELY (notice I didn't say it wouldn't) to happen.

That is what I conclude from this page at first glance.

@ clel.

It seems kind of rude to cut someone off, doesn't it? These arguments are pointless since neither side is going to budge; the only way something comes out of it is enough people care about the subject to pick sides and get something changed or keep something the same.

Edit: And at least we're arguing over something involving classic, rather than a pointless opinionated argument about who was more historically important between stalin and gandhi (stalin was, btw.)

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

You're right mystic. You're absolutely right. After all these posts I finally get it.

It IS the Classic Monthly Sparring tournament, isn't it?

And the people who won a qualifying spar got into the tournament, right?

So when the foreigners don't win a qualifying spar, THEY DON'T GET IN THE MOTHER ****ING TOURNAMENT. Go figure. Guess you weren't right after all, as usual.

So before I even ****ing continue, we've already stated that we host 8 summon spars, right?

Holy ****, you get so redundant, and I hate having to be redundant myself.

So tell me, how many summon spars can a person pm a GC to get into? I'll answer my own ****ing question. It's ****ing eight. That means each person has a minimum eight chances to get in, regardless of what server they came from. No, UNers aren't going to know where our sparring arenas are. No, UNers might not be ready for the harsh reality that is having the pre-mass pm ready. So? Not our ****ing problem. If you come to our server, you better adjust to our ways if you want to get in the tournament. Not the other way around. Era doesn't expect switch their sparring tournaments into swords (or equivalent) only just b/c some classicians show up. Hell no. When you visit another country, you adjust to their rules and ways. Sure, they try to accommodate for you a bit (hence why we don't have 16 location spars,) but that has limits. Singapore, for instance, fines people for spitting gum in public. If an American comes over and spits his gum somewhere in Singapore, they don't ****ing change the laws just b/c hes not from Singapore. Hell ****ing no.

Again, why are we debating whether or not how fast somebody pms in? All I was saying is that Tatsumi had one too many chances and it cut some people off from participating. Hell there were a lot of people cut off more than the chances Tatsumi had. It was competitive to get in any summon/location spar, but doesnt mean someone should deny 3 people the chance of even playing. The whole qualification round is stupid, but then again you can't get 32 so it does have its uses. Wow I'm repeating myself again. I'll also repeat myself when I say the qualification rounds is supposed to weed sparrers out and the reason why people get more than one hcance is simply because we don't have enough to keep one player to a chance. We do however have enough people to keep one player from not having 4 chances. Please understand this fact. Stop debating about how fast a foregienr can pm because this isn't my point at all. Of course it's a "you snooze you lose" sort of situation, but if you lose 3 times, you really shouldn't be in the tourney. I don't give a damn who you think is good or not, 3 chances is a lot. You don't get 3 chances if you murdered somebody. You don't get 3 chances if you ****ed something up at work. You dont get 3 chances for much of anything, including tournaments.

Back to classic. Duda its not that hard. Everyone has a minimum 8 chances to get in. If you don't get in, you can't win the tournament. Simple concept. Why should foreigners be on par with classicians? Because thats somehow "fairer"? People who have played in our spar tournaments before will know to have a PM ready. People who have played our server before will know where some of our spar locations are. You can't get around that. People who have done it before will have an advantage. It's called experience. Pros will always have an edge over rookies. Why are you trying to nullify the advantages people have gained by spending time on our server? "Hey thanks for spending 2k hours here but pretend to not know were supernicks spar is so this foreigner has a fair chance." Is that really what you want to tell people? "Yo don't have a pm ready for when I mass b/c these guys don't know to do that." Seriously man?

Same point as above. The debate isn't about the persistence of our home field players. It's about the fact that having too many chances in a spar tourney is absurd. I've already explained the point of qualifications, why I am debating about this so suddenly, and everything. You make the same posts about the same ****. You find no rational at all. You and your Classic Nationalist views is getting a bit irritating. We're trying to cater to all players, and not just only Classic. Would Classic players have a huge problem if they weren't allowed 4 chances? I don't see why not. You clearly shouldn't be in the tournament if you had to lose 3 times in a row.

To get into a tournament, you have to earn your way in. It's never going to be "completely fair" to outsiders simply because they aren't used to our HD while people here might be. Should we use UN's HD to make it more fair to them? No. People who have played here deserve to have some sort of edge. And they do. They know how it works. It's not their fault that foreigners don't know how it works. Don't punish the people who know simply because a few random ppl don't. It's not fair to the people of classic.

Again, it's not about the damn persistence.

And people do believe default should be restored. It's been a widely considered idea. Where are you getting at with this? Pulling out more random bs as usual?

(Ps: at college basketball example. Remind me the last time when North Carolina played a different amount of games as Gonzaga. Oh wait, they didn't. Thus they had the same number of chances to earn their way into the big dance.)

Remind me when a team had to call the organization officials first to get their 2nd or 3rd or 4th chance and have those other teams get left out if they were a bit slower. That example is horrible

@The march monthly results: LOL, I didn't even realize Jade had 6 chances.(Lol at not winning any one of them) But then again I dont believe the march monthly was as populated as April's. I probably wouldn't of even took notice to Tatsumi's 4 chances if I didn't get about 3-4 complaints of people not getting in and that Tats had one too many chances.

E: Gandhi was a civil rights leader, stalin was a dictator. That is not comparable you idiot. Gandhi for most influential.

[Luda]

holy **** shut up

[Gotenks_Gore]

Originally Posted by Luda

holy **** shut up

i agree

[xnervNATx]

wow GET THAT TO THE GC BOARD , no one here care about all your **** debate

[Cetellic]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

the only way something comes out of it is enough people care about the subject to pick sides and get something changed or keep something the same.

The point is no one really cares that much about this junk, and even so you guys should be taking it to Night.

[MysticX2X]

Clel, if nobody cared about it, why did I get many complaints that this was brought to my attention? I certainly didn't notice last month because there were no complaints.

Sometimes looking over each sides rebuttal can be quite productive.

[BlackSolider]

@ clel

Apparently enough people *****ed about it to cause mystic to care enough to bring it up with night.

@ mystic

People get as many chances as they earn. Like I said before, every person has 8 chances to pm in. Tats simply got into 4. Why shouldn't he be able to? He pmed in first or second. Thus he gets to spar. Pretty simple.

Your entire argument is founded on false grounds. Tats didn't get four chances. He had eight. He simply got into four spars first. Everyone has the same amount of chances to get into our tournament, just like teams in college basketball get the same amount of chances to get into their tournament. No matter what server you are from, no matter how fast you pm, no matter if you know the spar locations or not, the opportunity to get into at least eight spars is open to everyone. The fact that tats got into four matches isn't his fault. It's the fault of the people who didn't pm or get to a location faster. Get that through your head. You clearly shouldn't be in the tournament if you can't get into a damn qualifier.

E: India sucks. Russia doesn't. India wasn't a world super power for a half century. Russia was. Therefor Stalin was more historically influential than gandhi.

[Cetellic]

Obviously someone cares Mystic... stop being dumb about it

Obviously someone cares Gladius... but nothing said here will really help will it?

[BlackSolider]

If enough people bring up issues with the format, it would make sense to at least talk about changing it with night.

If enough people find that the format hasn't been a problem, then nothing will come of this and thus things will stay as they have been.

[Cetellic]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

If enough people find that the format hasn't been a problem, then nothing will come of this and thus things will stay as they have been.

well I don't see nothing happening either way, so pls stfu

[BlackSolider]

Nothing will happen because nothing is wrong.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

People get as many chances as they earn. Like I said before, every person has 8 chances to pm in. Tats simply got into 4. Why shouldn't he be able to? He pmed in first or second. Thus he gets to spar. Pretty simple.

Still ignoring the concept of qualifications, I see. Clel, didn't you go to a smash tournament? Did you get as many chances as Tats did in the pools or did other people? I dont think so, so stfu Glad.

Your entire argument is founded on false grounds. Tats didn't get four chances. He had eight. He simply got into four spars first. Everyone has the same amount of chances to get into our tournament, just like teams in college basketball get the same amount of chances to get into their tournament. No matter what server you are from, no matter how fast you pm, no matter if you know the spar locations or not, the opportunity to get into at least eight spars is open to everyone. The fact that tats got into four matches isn't his fault. It's the fault of the people who didn't pm or get to a location faster. Get that through your head. You clearly shouldn't be in the tournament if you can't get into a damn qualifier.

It's founded on what is right. I dont have to keep repeating myself 500 times because you refuse to be rational at all. You keep avoiding my point of qualification and then continue to the "Everyone has an equal chance" argument when that's not what I'm arguing. I am arguing that the monthly was more competitive this month then the last and the last problem we need is somebody having 4 chances due to many of the sparrers not being familiar with location/pms like the Classic Regulars.

E: India sucks. Russia doesn't. India wasn't a world super power for a half century. Russia was. Therefor Stalin was more historically influential than gandhi.

Why did you suddenly resort to comparing the 2 countries? I don't even get how you compare a good influence with a bad influence. I don't get much of you anyways, but to you, Communism + dictatorship is what an ideal influence is like though it has gotten us in the Vietnam War, Cold War, and the conflicts with Cuba. Not to mention many more!

Well done, Gladius!

[BlackSolider]

Concept of qualifications: if you get in, you get a chance to win your way into the tournament.

Keyphrase = IF you get in.

No, your argument not founded on whats right. Equal chance is what is founded on whats right. EVERYONE had a minimum of eight chances to get into a spar. ANYONE could have gotten into four spars, not just tatsumi. If ANYONE and EVERYONE can do it, then it is FAIR. Yes, tatsumi had a better chance because he had done it before. But ANYONE who had been in our spar tournament before would know how it works. First time players won't know how it works, so they're going to automatically be at a disadvantage. You can't do anything about that. Experience gives ANYONE an edge in a competition.

How come you can't get it? Everyone had the same ability to get into any number of spars. Anyone who had been in our tournament would have known exactly how things go. You can't punish people for knowing the ropes. You can't give 1st timers a handicap just b/c they're new to the server. You win our monthly by winning all your matches in the main tournament. How do you get into the tournament? You ****ing qualify. Just because some 1st timers didn't get into qualifiers, they decided to cry about it and apparently you decided to take up the battle standard. Why? Nothing is going to get changed because nothing is wrong. Everyone has the same chance to get into any of our eight summon spars. If they don't, then they can't qualify and thus can't win the monthly. Quit fighting a losing battle.

Do remember that the monthly (according to night) used to be 16 location spars. If that was still the case, then you would have an argument to make. But because we have summon spars, you don't. Anyone can pm. Not everyone can know a servers spar locations. Thus now everyone has 8 chances, and thus it is FAIR. Now shut the **** up.

E: If you do recall our previous argument (not that you read,) I had compared the countries several times. Maybe you should learn the definition of good influence. How far has india come since gandhi attempted to change things? Not very. How far has russia come since stalin took over? Oh lets see...a nation of peasant farmers was turned into a world super power. Look who's efforts actually made their country relevant, and you'll see that Stalin was more influential the gandhi kthx.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Concept of qualifications: if you get in, you get a chance to win your way into the tournament.

Keyphrase = IF you get in.

No. It's supposed to eliminate people so the real tourny can be smaller. Granted that there isn't enough to constitute one chance per person so they can get one or two chances. Granted I said this 5 times already.

No, your argument not founded on whats right. Equal chance is what is founded on whats right. EVERYONE had a minimum of eight chances to get into a spar. ANYONE could have gotten into four spars, not just tatsumi. If ANYONE and EVERYONE can do it, then it is FAIR. Yes, tatsumi had a better chance because he had done it before. But ANYONE who had been in our spar tournament before would know how it works. First time players won't know how it works, so they're going to automatically be at a disadvantage. You can't do anything about that. Experience gives ANYONE an edge in a competition.

Yes, Equal chance too. Equal chance as in that NOT EVERYONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED 4 CHANCES IN A QUALIFYING ROUND THATS SUPPOSED TO WEED YOU OUT AFTER HTE FIRST 1-2. Sorry for caps but I'm starting to think Gladius skims my posts now.

You keep resorting to this anyone can pm **** but that isn't my point. Some people are granted to be slower than most. Their fun shouldnt be ruined since somebody is persistent enough to follow the GC's moves. If that someone has lost 3 times, why the **** should they keep continuing? What if Tatsumi had 9 tries? He managed to weed out 8 others from potentially playing which ruins half the bracket.

Good synopsis.

How come you can't get it? Everyone had the same ability to get into any number of spars. Anyone who had been in our tournament would have known exactly how things go. You can't punish people for knowing the ropes. You can't give 1st timers a handicap just b/c they're new to the server. You win our monthly by winning all your matches in the main tournament. How do you get into the tournament? You ****ing qualify. Just because some 1st timers didn't get into qualifiers, they decided to cry about it and apparently you decided to take up the battle standard. Why? Nothing is going to get changed because nothing is wrong. Everyone has the same chance to get into any of our eight summon spars. If they don't, then they can't qualify and thus can't win the monthly. Quit fighting a losing battle.

You're the one who doesn't get it. You keep referring to this everyone has 8 equal chances bull**** when that's not the case. The Classicians will dominate at getting into the spar. There is no debate about that. What the debate is is that too many Classicians are having way too many chances when they shouldn't because a pool/qualification should eliminate you by the first time you lost. Don't get that? Go research.

Quit fighting in a battle you have no clue what you are saying.

Do remember that the monthly (according to night) used to be 16 location spars. If that was still the case, then you would have an argument to make. But because we have summon spars, you don't. Anyone can pm. Not everyone can know a servers spar locations. Thus now everyone has 8 chances, and thus it is FAIR. Now shut the **** up.

But now it's only 8 spars rofl. Where's your point? Im not even arguing about the stupidity of location spars. Im arguing someone had too many chances. You ramble too much

E: If you do recall our previous argument (not that you read,) I had compared the countries several times. Maybe you should learn the definition of good influence. How far has india come since gandhi attempted to change things? Not very. How far has russia come since stalin took over? Oh lets see...a nation of peasant farmers was turned into a world super power. Look who's efforts actually made their country relevant, and you'll see that Stalin was more influential the gandhi kthx.

E: Where's the British monarchy on that country? Oh wait, it doesn't exist. Point defeated there.

Now to stalin. Hmmm....he made Russia get into the Cold War, he killed many of his people, he introduced an unjust system. How the hell did he make that country a superpower? That country was fine with Lenin leading it(Who was still communist but to the lesser extent of Stalin) until his death. Who knows where Russia would of been right now had the USSR existed.

Oh, and Russia is one of the largest countries in the world, having notable military intelligence. Just why the **** wouldn't it be a world superpower with or without Stalin? Russia was a superpower before stalin, in fact. And communism = bad. Why should people lose their hard earned money?

Civil Rights influence = good for future generations. Communist influence = bad for future generations + war. kthx

[BlackSolider]

Ya, it does eliminate people. If you don't get into a qualifier, you can't get into the tournament. Thus you are eliminated.

Why shouldn't they be allowed as many chances as they earn? You reap what you sow, yes? Why can't summon keep sparring if they pm first? It's not their fault everyone else is slow. Say you do win out and everyone only has 2 chances. What then? Are people too scared to join matches without knowing who they'll face? If the playercount is too low, are we eliminating people to the point that we won't get 16? Have you even thought of the consequences of your idea being implemented? But since it won't happen, lets look at reality: if everyone has only 2 chances, how is that any different than everyone having 8 chances? If everyone has the same number of chances, it is FAIR. 1, 2, 4, 8, 20; it doesn't matter. If everyone has the same number of chances, does it matter what the number is? No!

Good thinking mystic. Wait, no, not really. If "a pool/qualification should eliminate you by the first time you lost", then you're essentially adding another single elimination round to the tournament. We'd need 32 people for that. And we'd probably need to have a qualifier anyways IF we could get that many people. So yeah, not good thinking. Maybe you should do some research on how single elimination tournaments work.

Everyone has 8 chances with the summon spars. Is that too many? Do you want 1 summon spar? None? The point was that we used to have NO summon spars at all, thus making it completely unfair for people new to the server. With 8 summon spars, it is completely fair. You can read, can't you?

E: Russia was far from a super power before Stalin took power. It had just gone through several revolutions and needed to be organized. Lenin was doing some good things before his death, but Stalin really pushed the country forward. Massive industrialization projects. Ever read about the 5 year plans? Yeah, that was Stalin. And russia didn't become a world super power until after ww2. So yeah, there goes your theory. Oh and btw, russia had never been a world super power before then. So your "superpower without" stalin theory doesn't hold up. And no, communism isn't bad. Have you ever read Marx's theories? They make sense. Conflict/unrest stems from a group of people having power and the rest of the people wanting it. Makes sense. So why should people lose money they've earned? For the good of mother russia, comrade. If everyone has the same amount of power (in theory obviously since the government has to have power) then everyone is the same and thus they can't be hatin on the rich bastards.

[Gotenks_Gore]

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[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Ya, it does eliminate people. If you don't get into a qualifier, you can't get into the tournament. Thus you are eliminated.

Again you don't understand my point. It's supposed to eliminate people who just can't win their spars on a good basis. This is a SPAR TOURNAMENT not a race.

Why shouldn't they be allowed as many chances as they earn? You reap what you sow, yes? Why can't summon keep sparring if they pm first? It's not their fault everyone else is slow. Say you do win out and everyone only has 2 chances. What then? Are people too scared to join matches without knowing who they'll face? If the playercount is too low, are we eliminating people to the point that we won't get 16? Have you even thought of the consequences of your idea being implemented? But since it won't happen, lets look at reality: if everyone has only 2 chances, how is that any different than everyone having 8 chances? If everyone has the same number of chances, it is FAIR. 1, 2, 4, 8, 20; it doesn't matter. If everyone has the same number of chances, does it matter what the number is? No!

Because this is an elimination spar. Until you grasp that concept, I speak no more.

Good thinking mystic. Wait, no, not really. If "a pool/qualification should eliminate you by the first time you lost", then you're essentially adding another single elimination round to the tournament. We'd need 32 people for that. And we'd probably need to have a qualifier anyways IF we could get that many people. So yeah, not good thinking. Maybe you should do some research on how single elimination tournaments work.

Didnt I say that having 2 or 3 chances okay? Though I think 3 is a bit of a stretch though it depends on playercount

Everyone has 8 chances with the summon spars. Is that too many? Do you want 1 summon spar? None? The point was that we used to have NO summon spars at all, thus making it completely unfair for people new to the server. With 8 summon spars, it is completely fair. You can read, can't you?

It's too little in fact. You and Night keep thinking in the past on this point. This is 2009, not 2004 or previous, so get your head in reality.

E: Russia was far from a super power before Stalin took power. It had just gone through several revolutions and needed to be organized. Lenin was doing some good things before his death, but Stalin really pushed the country forward. Massive industrialization projects. Ever read about the 5 year plans? Yeah, that was Stalin. And russia didn't become a world super power until after ww2. So yeah, there goes your theory. Oh and btw, russia had never been a world super power before then. So your "superpower without" stalin theory doesn't hold up. And no, communism isn't bad. Have you ever read Marx's theories? They make sense. Conflict/unrest stems from a group of people having power and the rest of the people wanting it. Makes sense. So why should people lose money they've earned? For the good of mother russia, comrade. If everyone has the same amount of power (in theory obviously since the government has to have power) then everyone is the same and thus they can't be hatin on the rich bastards.

Now I don't understand every single ****ing theory on communism, hell why would I have to, but I understand the gist of it. Is government control of the economy any good? What happened to capitalism? Freedom of the people? Clearly you don't deserve to live in the USA. Please relocate yourself to North Korea. Russia was still a struggling country economically during that time too so stop thinking everything was all fine and dandy. Karl Marx may of been the father of Communism but his ideals were stretched as Communism passed down.

Dude look at the ****hole Russia is in now. They have many cities affected by the defects of Chernobyl. Look what communist Russia accomplished there with the deaths of MILLIONS of people and the several birth defects/mutations orphan babies now have. Guess when that happened? 1986, where Gorbachev was still in power. India may be a ****hole, but at least it wasn't a human error caused by the dumbfoundedness of our government.

[BlackSolider]

Great my browser had an error when I tried to post, so I'll have to retype this. Bleh.

Correction, you have to get into the spar tournament. The part before is a qualification round, where you do have to race to pm or reach a location first or second.

Correction, the main tournament is an elimination tournament. The part before is a qualification round, where you have to get in in order to try and qualify.

I find it ironic that you try to insult me by calling me a communist, and yet here you are suggesting we should limit people. I also find it ironic that you tell me I don't deserve to live in America when I'm stating people should have the freedom to qualify as many times as they get in.

So the fact that we did this in 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, and 2004 means we totally can't do this in 2009 because classic is.....so much different now?

Let me correct a few things. First off, Karl Marx's theories are the basis of socialism. Communism is a radical spin off of those ideas. Second off, lets put this in context. When you're a peasant farmer in the lower class of society, when a man comes around preaching about everyone being in an equal middle class....aren't you doing to ****ing support it? Communism is one of those ideas that looks great on paper (everyones equal) but doesn't work well in practice. The reason it doesn't work well is that when inexperienced people try to manage a nation's economy...yeah...it doesn't work out. But the notion of everyone being equal appealed to nations with large peasant farmer populations such as China, Russia, and Vietnam. Third off, Chernobyl was in Ukraine. Russian cities got some fallout, but it's not like in Fallout 3. Fourth off, this entire argument is opinionated. People are naturally inclined to think their opinion is correct. I think that Stalin was more influential because his country, Russia, became a super power under his leadership after ww2. It wasn't a superpower before. Stalin's 5 year plans and massive industrialization projects turned a nation of peasant farmers into an industrial power. This industry was instrumental in eventually defeating nazi germany. India, once freed of british control, didn't really go anywhere. Still hasn't. Is a country that kills its people voluntarily in order to maintain control better than a country that involuntarily kills its people out of neglect and thus ignores massive famine? That's up for debate.

Look duda. You think gandhi was more historically influential and I'm not going to convince you otherwise. I think stalin was more historically influential and you're sure as hell not going to convince me otherwise. Let's drop this opinionated portion and focus on the matter at hand.

[xnervNATx]

i demand this thread to be closed , this is not a debate but a boring wall of texts


and this thread was about monthly glad not about ur dumb communism bible

[Shadow87]

LOL and i didn't even win the damn thing. God what would it be like if i did? You GCs took me, not my fault. Strange how i did it the last time i entered the monthly to, i think i had like 3 chances.