PKing - Page 2

Waltz5 · #41 05-25-2005, 02:23 AM

I can't even hit people or survive if I wanted to actually PK people. So therefore I'm not in battle mode. It's a pretty simple concept.

The whole AFK thing is stupid. If you're not going to be in front of your computer screen then why do you need to be on Graal? Is it that hard to take 5 seconds to start up Graal again?

Zero Hour · #42 05-25-2005, 02:26 AM

Dudesters. I'm not saying "I AM TRES RIGHT, YOU ALL SUCK." I'm saying "I think this, discuss some other ideas about PKing and what's bad about it"... Why do you all concentrate on AFK?

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Googi · #43 05-25-2005, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Nappa

They want to make it easier for you to die again ? Don't know.

That's pretty stupid.

Splke · #44 05-25-2005, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

That's pretty stupid.

You summed up this entire thread.

Fr0chin · #45 05-25-2005, 03:29 AM

I'm not concentrating on AFK, and i think the PKing is fine no way to prevent user error.

Googi · #46 05-25-2005, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Splke

You summed up this entire thread.

The thread would be good if it caused there to be changes made like making the trading house a no-pk zone.

Splke · #47 05-25-2005, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

The thread would be good if it caused there to be changes made like making the trading house a no-pk zone.

Trading house doesn't seem to be much of a durasticly needed change. Being ignorant and saying that being killed in a trading house is "stupid and disrupts gameplay, omg harrassment" is just as dumb as this thread.

PKing is part of the game, if you go AFK while on B-Mode and you are killed repetedly, it isn't harrassment. You were just stupid enough to go AFK on B-Mode; something MarkB taught me agreat many months ago. A common excuse is that you would think you can go afk without having to worry about being constantly PK'd, but that isn't the nature of the game. If you're going to complain, then slap some rule onto what happened to you, you might as well just make the rule repetedly killing a person in general is harrassment; or I don't know, if somebody asks you to stop PKing them you have to imediately.

Let's just ruin the game some more.

Kaimetsu · #48 05-25-2005, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Splke

PKing is part of the game, if you go AFK while on B-Mode and you are killed repetedly, it isn't harrassment

Dude, what do you think the word means?

Butz · #49 05-25-2005, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Splke

Trading house doesn't seem to be much of a durasticly needed change. Being ignorant and saying that being killed in a trading house is "stupid and disrupts gameplay, omg harrassment" is just as dumb as this thread.

But it does disrupt gameplay. The trading house is meant for player transactions. If people want to fight, they can easily do it outside. It's hardly convenient for people to rush back to their kingdom to switch to peaceful mode simply so they can head to the trading house. Most trades are spur of the moment, and there's not always a ferry or other transportation handy.

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Let's just ruin the game some more.

Good luck with that.

Splke · #50 05-25-2005, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Dude, what do you think the word means?

In this case, I've asked every Admin who's ever been on GK, including Stefan, and my definition of harrassment has been ok'd with all of them - hell, Lance made it official year(s) ago.

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@Butz : Then goto another trading house, how many of them do we have? ^_^

Kaimetsu · #51 05-25-2005, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Splke

In this case, I've asked every Admin who's ever been on GK, including Stefan, and my definition of harrassment has been ok'd with all of them - hell, Lance made it official year(s) ago

Prove it.

Also, I reiterate my question: What do you think the word 'harassment' means?

Splke · #52 05-25-2005, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Prove it.

Also, I reiterate my question: What do you think the word 'harassment' means?

If you can somehow manage to get every admins attention this moment, then I can. Although I doubt they care/remember.

Why does it matter what I think it means? I could run out to dictionary.com and pull out a technical definition, but there is no point. It's not what I think harrassment, it's what the Admins of GK set as rules.

Kaimetsu · #53 05-25-2005, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Splke

If you can somehow manage to get every admins attention this moment, then I can. Although I doubt they care/remember

Okay. Then your claim falls flat on its face.

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Why does it matter what I think it means?

It matters because you seem to be redefining the word. You say it's because the admins operate under a special definition, but you don't offer any evidence to support this.

Splke · #54 05-25-2005, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Okay. Then your claim falls flat on its face.

In a sense.

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It matters because you seem to be redefining the word. You say it's because the admins operate under a special definition, but you don't offer any evidence to support this.

Yeah, okay. Play the game for as long as I have, then you'll be able to argue my word vs yours.

I'm going to sleep, have fun with the post whereitdoesntconcernme stuff.

Kaimetsu · #55 05-25-2005, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Splke

Play the game for as long as I have, then you'll be able to argue my word vs yours

Hahaha. You're intrinsically honest because you've played for longer than me?

Zero Hour · #56 05-25-2005, 01:19 PM

Dude, Kaimetsu. Discuss who the whole "PKing can be bad" not these stupid little details which basicaly lead to a conversation of "I CAN PEE FURTHER THAN YE, FOR I AM A ROBIT."

Kaimetsu · #57 05-25-2005, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Dude, Kaimetsu. Discuss who the whole "PKing can be bad" not these stupid little details

What "stupid little details" do you mean? I was discussing the meaning of harassment, which is perfectly in line with the topic. He made an assertion about the official definition and then I challenged him on it.

Sam · #58 05-25-2005, 08:45 PM

The traderooms will be a pk-free zone when the new version is released.
And btw: I need to be in b-mode to check who is using flaming aura and magic in events to kick them for disturbing. and I cannot always warp to my kingdom when an event is going, or someone complains a flaming aura user in traderooms. So once again: when I ask someone to stop PKing me and he wont he get punished.

Kaimetsu · #59 05-25-2005, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

So once again: when I ask someone to stop PKing me and he wont he get punished.

You've already described your policy more times than necessary. What you haven't done is justify it.

Sam · #60 05-25-2005, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

You've already described your policy more times than necessary. What you haven't done is justify it.

I don't need to justify it.

Kaimetsu · #61 05-25-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

I don't need to justify it

True. Stefan is probably far too busy with other things to deal with your corruption.

Nappa · #62 05-25-2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Dude, Kaimetsu. Discuss who the whole "PKing can be bad" not these stupid little details which basicaly lead to a conversation of "I CAN PEE FURTHER THAN YE, FOR I AM A ROBIT."

what.

Zero Hour · #63 05-25-2005, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

What "stupid little details" do you mean? I was discussing the meaning of harassment, which is perfectly in line with the topic. He made an assertion about the official definition and then I challenged him on it.

I was more so talking about the whole "I have played longer than you" thing. Didn't like where it was going, and such.

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I don't need to justify it.

I would agree if it were some troublesome player, but with Kaimetsu it's different

Kaimetsu · #64 05-25-2005, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

I was more so talking about the whole "I have played longer than you" thing

He posted some fallacious reasoning in support of his claim. Am I supposed to ignore it?

Zero Hour · #65 05-25-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

He posted some fallacious reasoning in support of his claim. Am I supposed to ignore it?

If it's blatant; totally.

Kaimetsu · #66 05-25-2005, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

If it's blatant; totally.

That just ain't my style.

Zero Hour · #67 05-25-2005, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

That just ain't my style.

Yea, but you and I both know you're all about being propper. So, that's a pretty good dealio; you don't waste your time pointing out the obvious, and the people who don't catch on are forced to learn to catch one. Sweet deal

Splke · #68 05-25-2005, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

He posted some fallacious reasoning in support of his claim. Am I supposed to ignore it?

I don't need to argue with you about something you assume is unproveable. The fact is I've been here longer then you, longer then most of the players around now, and I'm what you would call the "experianced elitist". I know all the rules, and over the years I've checked with the administrators who count on what the rule was - because honestly that "omfg stop harrassing me" **** got thrown on me tons of time when I would PK people endlessly. Now if you'd like to stop this stupid game, I think I proved my point.

Googi · #69 05-25-2005, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

If it's blatant; totally.

You realize that you're pretty much saying that forum activity should be cut in half, right?

Zero Hour · #70 05-25-2005, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

You realize that you're pretty much saying that forum activity should be cut in half, right?

Not everyone's blatantly stupid, agree?

Kaimetsu · #71 05-25-2005, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Yea, but you and I both know you're all about being propper

We do?

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Originally Posted by Splke

I don't need to argue with you about something you assume is unproveable

I'm not assuming anything. I'm simply asking you to support your claim.

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The fact is I've been here longer then you
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I know all the rules

You don't seem to understand. Your knowledge is not being contested - your honesty is.

It's clear that you would prefer to be allowed to harass players, so it's in your interests to promote lax rules. Unless you can give any indication that your statements are true, why the heck should anybody listen to you?

Zero Hour · #72 05-25-2005, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

We do?

For sure, and I don't mean the socially accepted term, either.

Googi · #73 05-25-2005, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Not everyone's blatantly stupid, agree?

If people didn't have frivolous arguments, though, not much would happen.

Splke · #74 05-25-2005, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

It's clear that you would prefer to be allowed to harass players, so it's in your interests to promote lax rules. Unless you can give any indication that your statements are true, why the heck should anybody listen to you?

I've given indications to trust me, I think my character would be somewhat approving of my honesty.

I've earned the trust I have with the people on GK with the past 3+ years I've been on it, and I think the fact that I don't go around spouting random **** out just to look cool should count for something - maybe it's not your thing to trust people just because of their character, but in this case it's all you have, unless you have some alternate form.

I'll say it once more, Lance said, Jagen said, James said, Stefan (kindof) said, as well as Angel have ALL SAID [, only Lance officially stating it]

For PKing to be harrassment it has to be spawn-killing or Arena killing, in-which it disrupts gameplay to an extent that it interupts gameplay entirely.

If you don't like that, then you can shove it. I don't give a **** anymore, you're opinion should have little IF any effect on this thread, YOU DON'T PLAY THE GAME, YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW IT WORKS, SHUT UP

Kaimetsu · #75 05-25-2005, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Splke

I've given indications to trust me, I think my character would be somewhat approving of my honesty

Haha. I would disagree.

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maybe it's not your thing to trust people just because of their character, but in this case it's all you have

Well, no. I can just dismiss your statements as childish chicanery.

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I'll say it once more, Lance said, Jagen said [blah blah blah]

Repeating it doesn't make it any stronger. You still haven't supported it.

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YOU DON'T PLAY THE GAME

Why would I need to play the game in order to recognise that you're an untrustworthy person?

Zero Hour · #76 05-25-2005, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Splke

If you don't like that, then you can shove it. I don't give a **** anymore, you're opinion should have little IF any effect on this thread, YOU DON'T PLAY THE GAME, YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW IT WORKS, SHUT UP

Calm yourself, or I'm going to totally start owning your posts.

Googi · #77 05-25-2005, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Splke

YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW IT WORKS

My waffles? Roffeled!

Splke · #78 05-25-2005, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Why would I need to play the game in order to recognise that you're an untrustworthy person?

You don't understand game mechanics, game mechanics define rules.

Kaimetsu · #79 05-25-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Splke

You don't understand game mechanics, game mechanics define rules

Haha, you're just shooting yourself in the foot again and again. You seem to like playing the oldbie card, but how do you think that works here? I've been playing games since before you were born, kiddo.

But go ahead. How does harassment work as a universally beneficial game mechanic?

Splke · #80 05-25-2005, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Haha, you're just shooting yourself in the foot again and again. You seem to like playing the oldbie card, but how do you think that works here? I've been playing games since before you were born, kiddo.

But go ahead. How does harassment work as a universally beneficial game mechanic?

We're talking about one game, not universal here.

Just shut up, I'm done talking, go ahead and feel proud, you may help destroy the game some more!