New World

[HunterTerryon]

As for kinatt I am shure he worked there as he made part of the tile set if not all of it.Kinatt is one of those people who take everything with him hence the new world tiles on era.

[Judge_S]

Originally posted by HunterTerryon
As for kinatt I am shure he worked there as he made part of the tile set if not all of it.Kinatt is one of those people who take everything with him hence the new world tiles on era.

...There are NewWorld tiles on Era?

[HunterTerryon]

Yes not very many though I know for a fact the table is from nw along with the bowls and the sinks and Im pretty shure I saw the floor on nw but I could be wrong.

[Shiftk03-]

Originally posted by Projectshifter

Right now you don't actually do anything for the GST, you are never on, and I have never seen you on once helping out a server... perhaps you haven't seen me either, but YOU have to be online for that to happen
---Shifter

He probably doesn't feel like sharing an rc chat room with a blowhard like you. Honestly, you get on him about ego size yet you talk about nothing but your GST POSITION, I'll tell you what position you can take, the one where you get your head kicked in...

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Projectshifter

Honestly, I have NEVER met ANYONE more conceded than you. I've taken a look at your skills, I know what you are and are not capable of. You assume too much. I don't have to PRETEND that I am better at serverside components than you... the difference is I don't have to ask someone the commands, I know them and how to implement them. The reason you'll never be able to be anything more than a show-off, is because you think you're the best, and you hate it when someone challenges your thoughts, and you'll never be able to get over that.

You've seen scripts he's made that you yourself will agree are impressive. What scripts of his have you seen which would illustrate to you that he has poor scripting skills? I am curious - show me a bad script of Kaimetsu's, please.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Projectshifter
Honestly, I have NEVER met ANYONE more conceded than you.

It is not conceited for me to declare myself better than you, simply because you're not a scripter of particular worth. My argument rests on the fact that you are weak, not that I am great.

I've taken a look at your skills

No more so than I have considered yours. The difference is that you only started decrying my skills when I told you to stop bothering me about being my friend. It's clear that your condemnations are based on malice at your rejection.

I know what you are and are not capable of.

How, exactly, do you know all of these things?

You assume too much. I don't have to PRETEND that I am better at serverside components than you... the difference is I don't have to ask someone the commands, I know them and how to implement them.

I don't have to ask for whole descriptions of the important commands, I merely need reminders on the fine details occasionally. It doesn't limit what I can do. Does a person need to know the significance of every bit used in enablefeatures? Knowledge is not the same as skill, or ability.

The reason you'll never be able to be anything more than a show-off, is because you think you're the best, and you hate it when someone challenges your thoughts, and you'll never be able to get over that.

I couldn't show off if I didn't have any skills to show. As for hating challenges, can you give a single example?

Maybe when you realize you're NOT the best, will you be able to get somewhere.

Maybe when you prove it to be so, you'll be able to make an argument out of it.

Right now you don't actually do anything for the GST, you are never on, and I have never seen you on once helping out a server...

*shrugs*

Laziness isn't the same as ineptitude. I've helped servers in the past, but I don't run around looking for ways to bolster my reputation as you seem wont to do. Neither do I make a joke out of the GST as you have, or ignore rules meant to stop you from doing so.

If the limit is intelligence and general scripting skill, then I guess you maxed out

You're not going to win the argument at all, but you're certainly not going to win like this. I've demonstrated both my intelligence and scripting skill many times over, and the people of this forum have judged me accordingly. They know that I am intelligent and they know that I am a good scripter. If you show up contesting these facts then you instantly lose credibility, especially since your poor spelling and pitiful arguments mark you as a person of much less intelligence.

[superb]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Major ownage of ProjectShifter...

Amen. Another point that comes to mind about PS's lack of intelligence is the fact he didn't back up his own server. LOL.

[adam]

Originally posted by superb


Amen. Another point that comes to mind about PS's lack of intelligence is the fact he didn't back up his own server. LOL.

Mhmm,, yes preying on people's weaknesses is a great way to make oneself look better.

[superb]

Originally posted by adam


Mhmm,, yes preying on people's weaknesses is a great way to make oneself look better.

Not really saying I'm better, but I would have enough sense to back up my work periodically...especially if I knew I was going to be away for a week.

[--Chris--]

I got all the files from an old NW staff member that still plays but under a new account =P
There's suppose to be another one similar to this and I think Kai's name was on it

[MadWolf]

Offtopic, but uh Judge, how's that huge forest fire around Kelowna doing? I heard it started going around rutland X_X

[Judge_S]

Originally posted by --Chris--
I got all the files from an old NW staff member that still plays but under a new account =P
There's suppose to be another one similar to this and I think Kai's name was on it

Yep, I've seen that. I also have a map regarding Valgoth in particular.

Originally posted by MadWolf
Offtopic, but uh Judge, how's that huge forest fire around Kelowna doing? I heard it started going around rutland X_X

Very well, thank you. It is obviously doing better, as is evident with my being on the computer. As to it heading into Rutland, that was only on Friday night, or the "Night of Hell" as some of the firefighters dubbed it. That was the night of most losses (200+ homes, of the 244 lost throughout the whole ordeal), and increase on the fire's size. Rutland is basically at the front of the fire. Half of the area south of Highway 33, mainly the residences south of Mission Creek are still on evacuation notice, so they aren't home. The homes north of Mission Creek are still on evacuation alert, as they have been for a long time.

[ZanderX]

Originally posted by Judge_S

Very well, thank you. It is obviously doing better, as is evident with my being on the computer. As to it heading into Rutland, that was only on Friday night, or the "Night of Hell" as some of the firefighters dubbed it. That was the night of most losses (200+ homes, of the 244 lost throughout the whole ordeal), and increase on the fire's size. Rutland is basically at the front of the fire. Half of the area south of Highway 33, mainly the residences south of Mission Creek are still on evacuation notice, so they aren't home. The homes north of Mission Creek are still on evacuation alert, as they have been for a long time.

Do you have another thermal image of it like you posted in the thread?

[Judge_S]

Originally posted by ZanderX


Do you have another thermal image of it like you posted in the thread?

I can look for one if you'd like.

-Edit-
Here you go. It's a 1.2MB file, to let those dialup users know.
-Edit-
There is also a new video of the fire, found here.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by --Chris--
There's suppose to be another one similar to this and I think Kai's name was on it

I hope not. I was never supposed to be making levels.

[--Chris--]

I don't remember exactly what was on the other Kai but I remember your name. Also I heard Vangel > you in scripting x.x

[MadWolf]

Originally posted by Judge_S

stuff

Ah, I used to live in Kelowna so I was just kind of worried. I used to call rutland "Rottenland." Atleast it stop before, that would have been the first modern city in Canada to burn to the ground. If it would have gotten to rutland, those houses were poorly built so it would have spread like crazy.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by --Chris--
I don't remember exactly what was on the other Kai but I remember your name. Also I heard Vangel > you in scripting x.x

*shrugs*

He quit before I joined, so I wouldn't know.

[Python523]

Originally posted by --Chris--
I don't remember exactly what was on the other Kai but I remember your name. Also I heard Vangel > you in scripting x.x

You can't compare Vangel and Kai, back in Vangel's days the scripting engine wasn't as complex and developed as it is now, Vangel was good, yes, but he had to work with a very limited engine

[Kaimetsu]

*nods*

It would be almost impossible to make a judgement one way or another. Which is a shame, because I always wanted to know how I compared to Vangel.

[superb]

I wonder if Vangel ever upgraded that system he was using...It was like a Pentium 100 with 32MB of RAM...lol he was such a lagger

[HunterTerryon]

Thanks chris for getting us back on topic this thread was made for talking about new world not kai or ps scripting ability. Does anyone know who did the art for nw? it was very good and original.

[Judge_S]

Originally posted by HunterTerryon
Thanks chris for getting us back on topic this thread was made for talking about new world not kai or ps scripting ability. Does anyone know who did the art for nw? it was very good and original.

There were a lot of artists. It's not like a single person made every graphic.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Judge_S

It's not like a single person made every graphic.

That would be called dedication. And something I would do (to make sure everything is the way I want it....I'm that kind of person). I'd be pretty sad with my life after finishing though (since I'd probably have to give up on a lot to do all that ).

Edit: Did I mention the graphics would end up sucking anyways?

[HunterTerryon]

No im not talking about the graphics im talking about the concept art and it all looksaike so I assume that one person made it all because it i all so similar

[Deek2]

From what I saw of it, it didn't look very exciting.

[--Chris--]

Possibly Kawaii or newguts (sp?)

[Judge_S]

Originally posted by --Chris--
Possibly Kawaii or newguts (sp?)

new_gut is the proper spelling.

I'm not sure who did the concept art, but it's safe to assume it was one of the original members.

[Soul-Blade]

NewWorld is gone, and will never be brought back, and I will make sure of it. As for this project which they call "New World". Don't make me laugh. The fact is, New World is dead, and will stay dead, and the original owners DO NOT want there ideas being used, and want it to die (After a brief talk with Alex Yoshi a long while back).

If someone trys to revive NW, I will do everything in my power to eliminate it.

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by Judge_S

new_gut is the proper spelling.

I'm not sure who did the concept art, but it's safe to assume it was one of the original members.

New Gut was the one who created all the original concept art, and was by far the greatest graphics artist I have ever seen on graal to this day. I could have learned alot from him had I joined the team when it was still New World.

[Judge_S]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade
NewWorld is gone, and will never be brought back, and I will make sure of it. As for this project which they call "New World". Don't make me laugh. The fact is, New World is dead, and will stay dead, and the original owners DO NOT want there ideas being used, and want it to die (After a brief talk with Alex Yoshi a long while back).

If someone trys to revive NW, I will do everything in my power to eliminate it.

You certainly are positive about the whole manner.
They left, and left their work behind. If they didn't want it to continue to be used on the project, common sense would dictate they should have deleted it.

Why are you so bitter? And if I may be as blunt as you, what the heck do you think you can do to stop the project?

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by Projectshifter
[B]
Honestly, I have NEVER met ANYONE more conceded than you. I've taken a look at your skills, I know what you are and are not capable of. You assume too much. I don't have to [b]PRETEND that I am better at serverside components than you... the difference is I don't have to ask someone the commands, I know them and how to implement them. The reason you'll never be able to be anything more than a show-off, is because you think you're the best, and you hate it when someone challenges your thoughts, and you'll never be able to get over that. Maybe when you realize you're NOT the best, will you be able to get somewhere. Right now you don't actually do anything for the GST, you are never on, and I have never seen you on once helping out a server... perhaps you haven't seen me either, but YOU have to be online for that to happen If the limit is intelligence and general scripting skill, then I guess you maxed out
---Shifter

Kaimetsu helped me a ton with numerous things before, so I don't know what you are talking about. He is most likely the best GST (well, up there with Angel and Jagen, at least).

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by Judge_S


You certainly are positive about the whole manner.
They left, and left their work behind. If they didn't want it to continue to be used on the project, common sense would dictate they should have deleted it.

Why are you so bitter? And if I may be as blunt as you, what the heck do you think you can do to stop the project?

What project? The joke they call New World which is completely seperate to graal? Why would I try to stop that, it is already dead.

[Judge_S]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade


What project? The joke they call New World which is completely seperate to graal? Why would I try to stop that, it is already dead.

I'll have to ask you to keep your opinions to yourself then, as I am getting very offended by them.

[konidias]

Originally posted by Judge_S


You certainly are positive about the whole manner.
They left, and left their work behind. If they didn't want it to continue to be used on the project, common sense would dictate they should have deleted it.

Why are you so bitter? And if I may be as blunt as you, what the heck do you think you can do to stop the project?

Uh okay, how did they leave their work behind exactly? Were they supposed to visit everyone's house and tell them to remove stolen nw files from their computer? I doubt that would work very well.

I can understand why he is bitter. It's incredibly insulting to just take somebodies work, claim ownership to it, and then use it to continue a project they are no longer part of. If I ever leave Graal and Oasis is public, I will be extremely pissed at anyone trying to revive it or keep it going.

A project isn't just graphics levels and scripts. It's the minds of the staff that put it together. If you handed some retard all of nw's files, and told them to revive nw, it would be horrendous. I don't think anyone can do the nw project other than the nw staff.

It's even more disgraceful, because everyone that would take part in the reviving of nw, would obviously have no skills whatsoever, or they wouldn't be needing to use old projects to create their content. I say, why not just make your own NEW playerworld if you think you could do it so well. Why take other people's work when you can make your own?

To be perfectly honest, New World wasn't that great. Especially compared to what Graal can do now. Most of the graphics were just horrible, with no detail or artistic style whatsoever. The only thing that set it apart from playerworlds today, was that it had tileset layers, so that tiles could overlap the player, which Stefan said wasn't all that great in the first place, because it was slow.

So nw was first with custom bodies and tilesets... That doesn't mean it's the greatest Graal project ever. It's old hat now.

[Judge_S]

I'm getting the impression that you think the project was continued after some time of it ending. May I put the record straight that that is not true. It was one continuing project.
As for the work of the old members, they should have at least made it known in some text file in their folders on the DServer that they didn't want it used. No, I don't expect them to be running all over the world, or forcefully deleting files from people's computers.
On that note, I have to say that we aren't using any of their work, to my knowledge.

[konidias]

Originally posted by Judge_S
I'm getting the impression that you think the project was continued after some time of it ending. May I put the record straight that that is not true. It was one continuing project.
As for the work of the old members, they should have at least made it known in some text file in their folders on the DServer that they didn't want it used. No, I don't expect them to be running all over the world, or forcefully deleting files from people's computers.
On that note, I have to say that we aren't using any of their work, to my knowledge.

Then why call it New World?

I don't think they could put a text file on their DServer, you know, it was down and never put back up, which they weren't planning on, so it kind of makes it hard to add something to the dserver when you can't use it.

[Judge_S]

Originally posted by konidias


Then why call it New World?

I don't think they could put a text file on their DServer, you know, it was down and never put back up, which they weren't planning on, so it kind of makes it hard to add something to the dserver when you can't use it.

I'm not the person planning everything. I'll just be making the levels.
And they could have left files on the DServer before they left, as most current members have the backup of the old files, which I believe was only a few days before the DServer crashed.
Don't be snippy with me.

[HunterTerryon]

what ever happend to new_gut anyway? it would be awesome for him to return concept artists for graal are rare I could do it but I dont have a scanner and whats more the default bodies would be ugly even if a very skilled artist drew them. the thing I think that made nw so great is that it had great staff never before has there been a server with the staff that nw had because all of the good staff now only care about themselves and their own ideas and go off and make their own fantasy worlds.If they would all come together the results would be amazing.

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by HunterTerryon
what ever happend to new_gut anyway? it would be awesome for him to return concept artists for graal are rare I could do it but I dont have a scanner and whats more the default bodies would be ugly even if a very skilled artist drew them. the thing I think that made nw so great is that it had great staff never before has there been a server with the staff that nw had because all of the good staff now only care about themselves and their own ideas and go off and make their own fantasy worlds.If they would all come together the results would be amazing.

But see, the thing is, people can make there own things. Me and Konidias already tried to have a side project working together, but it didn't work out (the same day we started, might I add). But that doesn't mean we can't both make something great.

The fact is, those who are making their own PW are able. Myself, Konidias, G-Yoshi, Mad Martigan (And Team, Giltwist), they are able to make everything need. I can make everything, Konidias can make everything except script, and he isn't bad, but still gets help, G-Yoshi I think can do everything, Obvious with Mad Martigan. As far as I am concerned, Oasis, Doragon Koden, and Tribulation and (arrogantly) my own world are the only ones in the category of new and original, and in a quality class far above the rest. Right now, I see a bunch of people copying styles, and all around not understanding how to create a quality PW. Graphics truly are only 1 aspect, probably about 10-20% of what people think. The rest comes with gameplay, storyline, etc. There are a few exceptions to my list, such as Angel's classified project looks amazingly promising.

Sorry to be blunt, but the rest will either never finish, release and be trash like PWs online, or end up semi-good like Era but nothing compared to the originals still being created.

Went a little off track, but the point is, and I think the people I listed above (Konidias, G-Yoshi, etc) would agree with me (just not arrogant enough to say it) that you are not in the same league as us. Stop saying you are. It is annoying me.