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Old 10-05-2002, 04:33 AM
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I consider trainer using and hacking alike. Basically, Zurkiba wasn't smart enough to hack, so he decided to use a trainer while he was Police.

They both shouold be ban for life.
I totally agree Ban for life period.... Doesn't anyone READ the rules when you get an account , here this should refresh some of you....

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BUG ABUSE, HACKS AND TRAINERS (back)
This section refers to creating or using any program or technique resulting in unfair advantage via an undocumented feature or disrupting the datastream to and from the server. Such Memory Edits, Trainers, AntiIdle Macros, Bots or any other ‘hacks’ destroy the balance of play in GraalOnline and reduce its effectiveness to remain an entertaining product. While a player may think that abusing a bug for personal gain may not affect others, the fact is that it distorts power, creates imbalances in riches, and is otherwise unfair to players abiding by normal game rules. Players must agree that the consequences of allowing bugs and loopholes to be exploited is so detrimental to the product, that GraalOnline will exercise no tolerance whatsoever for anyone participating in this type of activity.

Bugs should always be reported. If you observe someone else abusing a serious bug, or discussing a plan to abuse one, and fail to report it, you are subject to the same penalties as they are. Players should report bugs to the Graal forum or email the problem to [email protected].

Rewards obtained from bug abuse may be confiscated, at GraalOnline' sole discretion. Failure to cooperate with GraalOnline as to the extent or nature of a bug, or failure to be honest about the rewards obtained from bug abuse, is grounds for immediate lock-out from GraalOnline .
Being it says"that GraalOnline will exercise no tolerance whatsoever for anyone participating in this type of activity"
would mean to me "goodbye account forever"
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Old 10-05-2002, 05:18 AM
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It's pretty stupid to argue that scamming is a worse crime than using trainers. Scamming is something that can be done ingame without any special advantages or bug abuses. Cheating is far more fundamentally objectionable, especially when it is used in such a way that unbalances the economy. ban 4 lief.
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Old 10-05-2002, 06:10 AM
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1) Well, let's see:
Editing the functions of the Graal.exe and stuff like that isn't allowed ON ANY SERVER,
and Scamming is considered a minor offense, especially "Police" are able to prevent+correct it. They can't prevent people like Zurkiba from using trainers (even once.)


2) You basically supported those who feel the need to exploit every external bug in the game's exe.
Scammers don't do this.

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3) Yes, you did. I don't think it makes the players feel any better knowing that they have corruption on the police force, corruption that uses trainers and such. It's very similar to real life: People on the Police Force use drugs or something, instead of enforcing the no-drug policies, whatever they are.
You're like a figure who is supposed to "show" people how to act.

4)Rules stand, regardless of whether or not you changed. I'm not going to be the one to unban you. [/B]
I numbered the things I will reply to.
1) Able to prevent it? Bull ****. I did what I did because there was too much corruption on the Police Force. I became depressed beyond relief and such. I was scammed before this for over 6k and my hats (with my Police tag). I jailed the person(s) who scammed me and guess what happened. I wasn't trusted, I was called corrupt, and the players's friends let them out of jail COUNTLESS times stating I had no proof. At the time there wasn't a ****ing need for a Police Force. You could run around do **** and your friend would bail you out of jail. Which I noticed COUNTLESS times. The only time I didn't do my job was on that inncodent. That's all. I was never corrupt with the players, and my rock sentances were minor. I protected kingdoms from the players who lagged in, PKed them, etc. I did much work for the server... but yet what I did was wrong.

2) No I am only stating why aint scammers banned? They cause more problems. Plus it was in a conrolled enviroment... Noone but two people saw me do what I did. They only heard about it in the first Admin Council.

3) See #1 and #2

4) People do the stuff I did 10x more and they ruin the economics of the server. When caught they lie, cheat, scam, etc to get out of their punishment. When banned they SOMEHOW return the next week. I tell the admins and they say that another admin unbanned him. Let us use an example.

Not too long ago Constinople was banned for using a trainer. The next week he was released and able to play the 2k1 server again. So where are the ****ing rules with those people? There are no rules with them. They do something bad, get banned, get readmitted in another week, still do bad. I've been banned for almost three months or so. And I have changed... After I turned myself in, Me and Aftershock had a talk. He told me differnt things which told me what I did and how to fix it. From that moment I changed. I've been the same ever since that talk.



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Old 10-05-2002, 06:23 AM
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Not too long ago Constinople was banned for using a trainer. The next week he was released and able to play the 2k1 server again.
I once heard that some rich mafia guy killed a dude and then hired ultra-expensive lawyers to keep him from being sent to jail. He wasn't punished for his crime, so we should let all the other murderers out of jail too!

IRONY HAT. The failings of the system are unfortunate but that does not mean the system should be abolished. Constinople should never have been unbanned but neither should you.

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And I have changed... After I turned myself in, Me and Aftershock had a talk. He told me differnt things which told me what I did and how to fix it. From that moment I changed. I've been the same ever since that talk.
Ha, so has my cat. I don't even have a cat.
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Old 10-05-2002, 06:27 AM
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I numbered the things I will reply to.
1) Able to prevent it? Bull ****. I did what I did because there was too much corruption on the Police Force. I became depressed beyond relief and such. I was scammed before this for over 6k and my hats (with my Police tag). I jailed the person(s) who scammed me and guess what happened. I wasn't trusted, I was called corrupt, and the players's friends let them out of jail COUNTLESS times stating I had no proof. At the time there wasn't a ****ing need for a Police Force. You could run around do **** and your friend would bail you out of jail. Which I noticed COUNTLESS times. The only time I didn't do my job was on that inncodent. That's all. I was never corrupt with the players, and my rock sentances were minor. I protected kingdoms from the players who lagged in, PKed them, etc. I did much work for the server... but yet what I did was wrong.
Yeah, Police can prevent scamming, and correct it, believe it or not. I helped many police do it a handful of times.


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2) No I am only stating why aint scammers banned? They cause more problems. Plus it was in a conrolled enviroment... Noone but two people saw me do what I did. They only heard about it in the first Admin Council.

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4) People do the stuff I did 10x more and they ruin the economics of the server. When caught they lie, cheat, scam, etc to get out of their punishment. When banned they SOMEHOW return the next week. I tell the admins and they say that another admin unbanned him. Let us use an example.

Scamming is in no way similar to using another executable file or bug to advance your own personal gameplay or harm others'. So, you're in **** for:
1.) Bug abuse (game being open to that type of trainer was a bug. you abused it.)
2.) Using an outside program to edit your gameplay. (using a trainer.)


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Not too long ago Constinople was banned for using a trainer. The next week he was released and able to play the 2k1 server again.
Stefan's doing. We cannot overrule what he says.
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Old 10-05-2002, 07:18 AM
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If Zurkiba's banned, then why not CyberX?

Dabura told me he helped him scam countless times, and even showed me how. (Considering he did it from the beginning of his Police times to the end.)

EDIT: Oh, I don't care if Zruk's banned or not, he did a ******* thing.

Personally, I wouldn't care if I was banned on 2k1 cause... well... its not that great as it used to be =(
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Old 10-05-2002, 07:26 AM
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If Zurkiba's banned, then why not CyberX?

Dabura told me he helped him scam countless times, and even showed me how. (Considering he did it from the beginning of his Police times to the end.)
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Old 10-05-2002, 07:28 AM
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I want to know what he did so we can like see if what he did was like mega bad or something
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Old 10-05-2002, 07:43 AM
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I want to know what he did so we can like see if what he did was like mega bad or something
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He used a trainer while he was on the Police team. He confessed to CheeToS, CheeToS did nothing, Alkaren fired (then later demoted) CheeToS and Alkaren banned Zurkiba.
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Old 10-05-2002, 07:49 AM
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There are tons of things I disagree with on Graal:

1) Soto getting a staff job on 2001 after using a trainer on Classic.
2) King Arthur getting hired as a global staff after hacking EL and causing tons of chaos over and over.
3) Constinople using a trainer and getting on the GP force team for Classic.

Guess you got it unfair Zurkiba. Still though, you should stay banned.
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Old 10-05-2002, 07:57 AM
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3) Constinople using a trainer and getting on the GP force team for Classic.
"WTFS OMG WTF"

How in the hell did that happen?!
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Old 10-05-2002, 10:40 AM
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He used a trainer while he was on the Police team. He confessed to CheeToS, CheeToS did nothing, Alkaren fired (then later demoted) CheeToS and Alkaren banned Zurkiba.
No... CheeToS wasn't even online at the time. Currently I was being held by staffers such as Kaelink, Aftershock, and another one X_x... we were waiting for a manager or CheeToS.
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Old 10-05-2002, 10:45 AM
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Old 10-05-2002, 10:51 AM
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Someone say my drawing was cool.
Indeed it was.
It ranks up there with Kyles Rock/Avarage Graal Player Intelegance comparision and his Missing The Cluebus.
A real piece of art from Mr. Metsu
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Old 10-05-2002, 11:41 AM
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Indeed it was.
It ranks up there with Kyles Rock/Avarage Graal Player Intelegance comparision and his Missing The Cluebus.
A real piece of art from Mr. Metsu
I'm thinking about hitting the art galleries, seeing if I can get my talent recognised. You gotta get those deals signed fast if you wanna compete in this business.
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Old 10-07-2002, 07:06 AM
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the only reason i made a post about it zurk is becuase you are a ****ing *****, who the hell would hack apples with a trainer becuase your "Going Crazy" and you were Police, i am not going to trust you with my trades and stuff if you might use a trainer or steal my hats, the only thing i did not mean to do was get CheeToS demoted :'[
Eh? Isn't it that if you use a trainer to "hack" the value of an object, it shows up as a different value, but in essence isn't, and later it appears to be the original value?

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There are tons of things I disagree with on Graal:

1) Soto getting a staff job on 2001 after using a trainer on Classic.
2) King Arthur getting hired as a global staff after hacking EL and causing tons of chaos over and over.
3) Constinople using a trainer and getting on the GP force team for Classic.
Sadly enough, my list is too long to show.
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Old 10-08-2002, 04:35 AM
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Fenderbender2965 was banned more than a year ago, and its not unbanned


I agree with the banning of that though, as I agree with your ban.


Hacking is a heinous crime on a game. It ruins the game for everyone
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Old 10-08-2002, 05:18 AM
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Fenderbender2965 was banned more than a year ago, and its not unbanned


I agree with the banning of that though, as I agree with your ban.


Hacking is a heinous crime on a game. It ruins the game for everyone
And why did you lose FAQ?
Didn't you have another account I added?
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Old 10-08-2002, 07:09 AM
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And why did you lose FAQ?
Didn't you have another account I added?
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I lost my FAQ job because... didnt you fire me? because of the

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