Bile

[Satrek2000]

And how would that differ from, say, a Priest of Bile? No new class required, it's simply a matter of roleplaying here.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by Satrek2000
And how would that differ from, say, a Priest of Bile? No new class required, it's simply a matter of roleplaying here.

Before i switched to govannon, i used to play an undead follower of bile it was fun.

[graaliholic]

Originally posted by Brandon
I think that a new class would be perfectly suited to this god - Necromancers.

Yeah, and then we can add druids for brigid. Then we could add an elf and dwarf race for aengus and govannon. And paladins for DianCecht. How about a troll race for ogma?

No, it's fine the way it is, no need to make stefan waste more time making more things we don't need.

[GryffonDurime]

Sidenote: I'm still disturbed by how you use Create Food prayer with this god. As Twusk said, you're cooking with Bile. :grin:

Anyway, I agree, we don't need more classes because the classes are already worthless as it is.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by graaliholic

No, it's fine the way it is, no need to make stefan waste more time making more things we don't need.

Forts...?

[Nidonemo]

I chose Bile at the start, never looked back since.

I can bless to +2 now! Yay for me!

[axman36]

I just started doing it with Bile cause of Depletion, but it never takes my prayer, how do I bless

[axman36]

sorry for double posting but why doesnt bile accept turn undead, hes the death god after all, its confusing.

[Butz]

Originally Posted by axman36

sorry for double posting but why doesnt bile accept turn undead, hes the death god after all, its confusing.

Turn undead is an anti-undead spell. Bile wouldn't like that very much.

[spaz328]

Does anybody know the levels you have to be to bless to which + levels

[Moonite]

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Ogma | Govannon
(+1 lvl4) (+2 lvl8) (+3 lvl12) (+4 lvl16)
(+5 lvl20) (+6 lvl28) (+7 lvl36) (+8 lvl48) (+9 lvl64)

Aengis | Balor | Bile | Leucetious
(+1 lvl6) (+2 lvl12) (+3 lvl18) (+4 lvl28)
(+5 lvl40) (+6 lvl64)

DianCecht
(+1 lvl8) (+2 lvl20) (+3 lvl42)

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Moonite

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Plagiarism.

[Moonite]

They Should be happy that anyone Updates Older site's -_-

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Moonite

They Should be happy that anyone Updates Older site's -_-

You should be happy you haven't been sued yet.

[Snakeandy7]

So true :[..Gozelda

[MajinDragon]

Alright, this immunity against bile's diseases nonsense is making Bile's prayers, apart from many wounds, useless... Whats the point of an Affliction prayer if everyone on the server gets immune to it after being affected once? Seriously, fix this.

[jaws908]

It wouldn't matter, half the server is Bile anyways so it would be useless. Plus if they did work it would just further increase Biles leetness which is unfair, they should buff up the other gods. Bile is immune to sicknesses/food, has cold and poison resist and has a good blessing. Its already fine, the other gods need to be buffed before looking over this one-_-

[Moonite]

Bug = bug and should be fixed
it has nothing to do with balancing...

[jaws908]

k then, ez fix. Remove the broken spells Balanced and problem fixed

It is what staff to best after all, removing things is second nature.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by jaws908

It wouldn't matter, half the server is Bile anyways so it would be useless. Plus if they did work it would just further increase Biles leetness which is unfair, they should buff up the other gods. Bile is immune to sicknesses/food, has cold and poison resist and has a good blessing. Its already fine, the other gods need to be buffed before looking over this one-_-

I realise bile is strong as it is, but other than it's immediate benefits, bile priests receive almost nothing that works properly, except many wounds.

[zorinkelpekem]

omfg what do you have on gods (yes kk i got bile too :s)

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by zorinkelpekem

omfg what do you have on gods (yes kk i got bile too :s)

Huh? And, welcome to the undead side. Feel free to smite brigid and take advantage of never needing to eat and all of the affliction/wounding spells lord bile bestows upon you...

Just don't piss him off...

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Huh? And, welcome to the undead side. Feel free to smite brigid and take advantage of never needing to eat and all of the affliction/wounding spells lord bile bestows upon you...

Just don't piss him off...

tempting how do you make him bad

[MajinDragon]

Uhm... Feel like this has to be brought up because i suggested it through pm's, forum messages etc, the idea was accepted and all that but still... I haven't seen change.

Bile's necromanic prayers, which are, coupled with resists and no need for food, are one of Bile's great benefits. The power to resist, but afflict diseases. To use death itself as a weapon.
Yet for YEARS now, bile has been without all prayers (effectively) but cause many wounds, which is hardly effective pvp or pve due to it's limited attack range and high grace cost. Red death, overly powerful, which is shouldn't be, i'm not bias. Red Death should damage and affect speed or stats. Not both. People literally can't move when they get it. And black death, the higher level disease, is almost completely useless... it should halt regeneration and cause damage over time. But both of these, if not cured, one can simply gain immunity from them by idling in trade... How can you be immune to a gods disease? Ridiculous and actually just removes one of biles most powerful traits.

Furthermore, where are Bile's other prayers? The ability to use death as a weapon. That's where 'many wounds', 'face of death' (basically a death form of holy word), nightfall (previously overpowered but can be tweaked and released again), and finger of death (which should be a bile priests most dangerous weapon. unavoidable and a very powerful wounding prayer).

And i must stress this is just Bile's problems. Dian, Aengus, Balor. They all face individual problems, although Bile's seem to be the most difficult to fix.

[saetarshadowflare]

All disease immunities from NON-bile priests should be removed. Diseases make pvp much more tactical and much more challenging for anyone that gets hit by them. Nightfall should be brought back, as it was, without the damage, finger of death needs to cause damage based on level, face of death should destroy stats, both diseases should have their own properties that work in combination. Bile is severely underpowered and needs a desperate fix to be on par with the other gods, the only thing bile priests have going for them is sus +100 and poison resist.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by saetarshadowflare

Diseases make pvp much more tactical

No they don't, they are more lopsided than poison

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by saetarshadowflare

All disease immunities from NON-bile priests should be removed. Diseases make pvp much more tactical and much more challenging for anyone that gets hit by them. Nightfall should be brought back, as it was, without the damage, finger of death needs to cause damage based on level, face of death should destroy stats, both diseases should have their own properties that work in combination. Bile is severely underpowered and needs a desperate fix to be on par with the other gods, the only thing bile priests have going for them is sus +100 and poison resist.

I don't quite agree, all of that seems pretty overpowered. Our diseases are pretty overpowered, and it'd be best if they were nerfed, so that, yes, they work well in collaberation with eachother, but atm, red death alone is enough to destroy someone. Red death should cause damage over time and reduce stats to a max of -3con, -3dex, -3str. Black death should almost halt all regeneration, sp included, and cause more dmg over time. Face of death, as i understand, should be a bile version of holy word, a coned death spell. Finger of death should be an unavoidable, stronger version of critical wounds but at a higher cost of grace. And nightfal did seem to be overpowered back in the day, i'd say nightfall should induce blinding w/o fail and for a period of time relative to the casters wisdom level, cause the same narrowed field of vision as labrynth, it shouldnt cause any damage.

Originally Posted by kia345

No they don't, they are more lopsided than poison

That is true, all diseases, and poison need to be corrected, they were far too strong. Poison atm needs to be changed so that it only affects regeneration and causes damage over time. Poison being able to do -10 str/con/dex basically makes it decide battles.

[Cubes]

poison should just nerf your regen not your stats.

[bioboi]

biles op already. There are reasons 75% of the server is bile.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by bioboi

biles op already. There are reasons 75% of the server is bile.

Reason for most people aligning with bile is #1, Bile is just awsome, #2 major sus bonus (this isn't something that makes bile op, it's a trait based on the fact followers are undead, just like our massive weakness to holyword), and #3 all gods aren't even balanced or fully developed, therefore there's little choice. People either go with Gov, Ogma, Leuc, Bile or Brigid. Aengus and Dian are rarely chosen. Also, barely anyone fully choses the priest/mage role, so the obvious choice is Bile since no noob wants to keep eating.

Bile is heavily underpowered, but obviously, all gods are. Bile has NO bonuses other than sus, poison resist and disease immunity. Our prayers are high grace cost and diseases are useless due to immunity. Compare with Brigid, who have a very powerful holy word, a spell that slows us, wall of thorns, sactuary and others... All gods need to be re-vamped.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Bile underpowered

Red/Black Death, enjoy your autowin; sust, enjoy your easy regen

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Bile is heavily underpowered, but obviously, all gods are. Bile has NO bonuses other than sus, poison resist and disease immunity. Our prayers are high grace cost and diseases are useless due to immunity. Compare with Brigid, who have a very powerful holy word, a spell that slows us, wall of thorns, sactuary and others... All gods need to be re-vamped.

Sustance, Poison Resistance, along with disease immunity are all bonuses that are a major part in player versus player. Not to mention you get 2 deadly diseases, (attuned:wounding?), cause many wounds.

Brigid I've played. Unless you're fighting against someone Bile/undead, you really don't use too much grace. Sure, wall of thorns, the web stuff, santuary and stuff are nice, but where's the attack spells? Brigid has major grace regain, but it rarely actually uses grace for anything unless up against their enemy god.

Yeah I agree though, all gods should be re-vamped for better or worse to balance pvp more and have more unique styles of combat.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Seanthien

Brigid I've played. Unless you're fighting against someone Bile/undead, you really don't use too much grace. Sure, wall of thorns, the web stuff, sanctuary and stuff are nice, but where's the attack spells? Brigid has major grace regain, but it rarely actually uses grace for anything unless up against their enemy god.

Sanctuary is probably one of the best spells in the game. (Since it's a barrier version of the spell "counterspell.") And as for Wall of Thorns, it gets really potent as you continue to level wisdom. It starts to last longer and do more damage.

As far as Bile goes, he doesn't need to be made any more powerful than he is.

Bile is excellent for both PvE and PvP, despite his inherent weakness to holy word. (There are items with resist Holy Word on them, y'know.) The diseases he has are potent, the sustenance bonus is quite a luxury, and wounding spells are nasty no matter who is casting them. The only gods which really need work are Diancecht, Aengus, and Balor right now. (Diancecht needs the most work, since blinding is pointless.)

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by seanthien

Sustance, Poison Resistance, along with disease immunity are all bonuses that are a major part in player versus player. Not to mention you get 2 deadly diseases, (attuned:wounding?), cause many wounds.

Brigid I've played. Unless you're fighting against someone Bile/undead, you really don't use too much grace. Sure, wall of thorns, the web stuff, santuary and stuff are nice, but where's the attack spells? Brigid has major grace regain, but it rarely actually uses grace for anything unless up against their enemy god.

Yeah I agree though, all gods should be re-vamped for better or worse to balance pvp more and have more unique styles of combat.

Ugh, people act like sus is such a big bonus or advantage... If you bother to just make food it's not... And not to mention food bar was made to go down even slower. Disease resistance is just a basic trait, so that we're not weak to ourselves e.g. Balor having 100fear resist and having fear as one of it's main weapons (apparently) or brigid having high holy word resist. Our poison resist isn't perfect btw. And lets get it straight, everyone has immunity to our diseases, so don't include them. And cause many wounds takes what? 80-120grace and is basically a storm type spell which is EASILY avoidable and you'll rarely see someone cast more than 3 in succession, it's not a big bonus, can't even be used to level wisdom effectively.

Also, Brigid not having that many attacks spells, it's just not type of god... Leuc, Gov, Ogma, Balor - Attack gods. Bile, Aengus - Affliction, Dain, Brigid - Passive/Support.

Originally Posted by Draenin

As far as Bile goes, he doesn't need to be made any more powerful than he is.

Bile is excellent for both PvE and PvP, despite his inherent weakness to holy word. (There are items with resist Holy Word on them, y'know.) The diseases he has are potent, the sustenance bonus is quite a luxury, and wounding spells are nasty no matter who is casting them. The only gods which really need work are Diancecht, Aengus, and Balor right now. (Diancecht needs the most work, since blinding is pointless.)

You can cross off the diseases, potent but are a 1 time thing, immunity = useless. -___-
Yea, Dian needs alot of work, haven't seen a Dian follower in years. Aengus needs work to be the anti-mage god, Balor's fear needs to be worked on and flaming aura... could be so much more.

[saetarshadowflare]

If diseases were revamped to cope with the ability to no longer be immune, then they wouldn't be so horribly OP.

Bile the best god? Not hardly, apparently you never have played more than one or two gods on the server. No god is horribly OP, if anything i would say that brigid has the most advantages because that is the only god that completely works as far as i know. The loss of melee has never been a complaint from anyone, the loss of cause wounds has never been complained about, and the spells you do get are all pretty useful, aside from plague of insects since it is so easy to dodge.

Last i checked, since anyone can become immune to all diseases, you can't sit there and try to justify bile being broken because you can get a friend to cast them on you while you wait for immunity to them. The rest of the spells don't work, and pretty much everyone gets cause many wounds. The sus bonus isn't as great as you think, it is nice, but it doesn't make bile the best choice, and considering how much damage holy word does to bile priests, there is a horrible disadvantage to everyone that isnt Leuc.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

Ugh, people act like sus is such a big bonus or advantage...

It is, though. Food fuels health / mana / grace regen. Run out of food during combat, and you run outta juice to regen with. That's a real problem for casters and melee players alike. Maybe even more so for casters, since they need more food at all times to stay functional.

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

brigid having high holy word resist

Brigid does not have resist Holy Word at all. What makes Bile users weak to it is the fact that their resist to it is -100. No other god gives that penalty. It's like when people with RoWs complain about how 'magic' type spells such as magic bullet and manabolt completely demolish them. Take a look at the -60 resist magic they're getting from the RoWs and it's not hard to figure out why.

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

And cause many wounds takes what? 80-120grace and is basically a storm type spell which is EASILY avoidable and you'll rarely see someone cast more than 3 in succession, it's not a big bonus, can't even be used to level wisdom effectively.

People should be using standard wounding spells instead since they follow players. It's just like how manabolt costs so much. It's much easier to just use manaball, but if you really want to spend the SP, you can cover more area with manabolt.

Originally Posted by saetarshadowflare

i would say that brigid has the most advantages because that is the only god that completely works as far as i know.

Brigid doesn't work completely. Daylight doesn't work. Insect Swarm doesn't work. Spiderweb was nerfed from how potent it used to be. Ironwood Skin doesn't grant any kind of AC bonus. Just armor, and we all know how useful that is.

Brigid is far from overpowered. The focus for Brigid is on defense, not offense. The only thing I use Brigid for is the relics and Sanctuary. All of my offense comes from basic spells anyone in the game can get. (Firebolt, Frostbolt, Large Lightning, etc.)

Originally Posted by saetarshadowflare

The loss of melee has never been a complaint from anyone

Ahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! *wipes a tear from his eye*

Seriously, you've got to be kidding me here. That's the #1 thing people hate about Brigid. If you don't have level 110 (Which grants the ability to full-enchant your own armor, even god armor.) you're essentially just a walking moneybag to anyone else.

Originally Posted by saetarshadowflare

the loss of cause wounds has never been complained about

It's something I highly dislike, but I've learned to deal with it.

Originally Posted by saetarshadowflare

the spells you do get are all pretty useful

Only two of them are useful.

Originally Posted by saetarshadowflare

and considering how much damage holy word does to bile priests, there is a horrible disadvantage to everyone that isnt Leuc.

There's this thing called 'resist holy word.' I don't know if you've heard of it. It happens to be on various pieces of armor no one seems to pay attention to, even though they could save themselves some trouble by quickly equipping them when someone thinks they'll be cute and start spamming it.

[saetarshadowflare]

You know the consequences of switching to brigid, and i never hear a word about "we should be able to use weps." You don't play now so why are you QQ'ing? I never said brigid was overpowered, you should read more and make false claims less. You get far better spells than the rest of the gods, insect swarm does work. AC isn't the least bit useful, armor does make a difference if you fight outside the arena. If you are going to play a defensive god, don't try and act like its nerfed if you obviously understand you place.

Bile has very little going for him, and i would like to see that changed. If you don't agree good for you, no one cares what an ex player thinks.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by saetarshadowflare

You know the consequences of switching to brigid, and i never hear a word about "we should be able to use weps."

Try reading the stickied thread for it next time.

Originally Posted by saetarshadowflare

You don't play now so why are you QQ'ing?

I do, actually. Just not as frequently right now. And there's no Q-ing from me. I'm simply telling you how it is. Neither god is really overpowered or underpowered right now, because the things each god grants presently are very powerful indeed, no matter which side you're looking at.

Originally Posted by saetarshadowflare

insect swarm does work

It doesn't cause damage. It makes the health meter pop up on people, but doesn't actually harm them.

Originally Posted by saetarshadowflare

AC isn't the least bit useful

Yes it is. When fully equipped, I've been known to run around with at least -80 AC, and I can safely tell you it blocks out most hits. AC is only useless if your AC is low enough to be overcome by the weakest of WC ratings. WC determines how likely you are to hit someone, not the amount of damage you do to them. AC determines how likely other people are to miss you, not how much armor you have. And since armor can't go above 99, everyone on the server has the same armor rating. So then damage is partially determined by how strong your resists are to various elements.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by saetarshadowflare

You don't play now so why are you QQ'ing?

You're rarely on though

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by saetarshadowflare

there is a horrible disadvantage to everyone that isnt Leuc.

Leuc isn't all that great either. Sure, you get a nice chest piece, but that's about it. Forked takes too long to cast. Electric Resistance isn't all that great now with Gale out.