This is BullSh*t. - Page 2

JoshTheN64Guy · #41 02-12-2002, 03:51 PM

If someone gets their account hacked and loses alot of stuff well I think you guys should let them have their stuff back with some proof then. You could have people take screenshots, witnesses, pms, etc. of what they had. But sheesh even if they are lying its not like you guys are loosing money for giving them the prize.

But then everyone would lie and say they lost stuff, so get proof and get em back. I lost all my stuff and diddnt get it back by some account reset, boy was I disapointed....

Kohojogo · #42 02-12-2002, 04:05 PM

Hmmm...
Well i got hacked for long time ago to

I were holding some hats and 2k for a freind but got hacked

I got the date

10/11 or 11/11 2001.
Can i get help?

Bird2prey · #43 02-12-2002, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kohojogo
Hmmm...
Well i got hacked for long time ago to
I were holding some hats and 2k for a freind but got hacked
I got the date 10/11 or 11/11.
Can i get help?

Looking at what Birdbird has said, I would say no.

Kohojogo · #44 02-12-2002, 04:14 PM

Um... what is the log to then?
When there can't sleep there read it or what?

Birdbird_0 · #45 02-12-2002, 05:05 PM

screen shots can be faked, and people can lie for their friends.

Bird2prey · #46 02-12-2002, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Birdbird_0
screen shots can be faked, and people can lie for their friends.

Birdbird, just how soon is Graal2230 coming?

konidias · #47 02-12-2002, 05:16 PM

Birdbird, you have turned into such a jerk. You're just making excuses because you're too busy playing with your friggin admin toys and goofing off on 2k1, and too lazy to download the log files that barely ever go over a megabyte in size.

Please answer this, if admins never check the log files, and say it's the players fault, then WHY THE HELL ARE THERE LOG FILES. They are there to be checked!

Just look at what happened to Ranee.. you FINALLY gave me the logs and it took me TWO SECONDS to type her account name into "find" and locate who took 200+ hats off her account.. Her log section alone was 500+ lines, it isn't like it's hard to spot.

I think that admins aren't too lazy to download the logs, they are too lazy to go through and give the person back everything they lost.

Kaimetsu · #48 02-12-2002, 06:38 PM

Not that I'm supporting staff complacency, but I'll mention that EQ or UO or DAoC admins wouldn't bother with you either.

Kohojogo · #49 02-12-2002, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by konidias
Birdbird, you have turned into such a jerk. You're just making excuses because you're too busy playing with your friggin admin toys and goofing off on 2k1, and too lazy to download the log files that barely ever go over a megabyte in size.

Please answer this, if admins never check the log files, and say it's the players fault, then WHY THE HELL ARE THERE LOG FILES. They are there to be checked!

Just look at what happened to Ranee.. you FINALLY gave me the logs and it took me TWO SECONDS to type her account name into "find" and locate who took 200+ hats off her account.. Her log section alone was 500+ lines, it isn't like it's hard to spot.

I think that admins aren't too lazy to download the logs, they are too lazy to go through and give the person back everything they lost.

Aye!
I mean the same.
If i was older and able to get RC i would work.
Not just play with admin toys, but anyway BirdBird_0 don't do it so much...

cds96 · #50 02-13-2002, 01:13 AM

this is why i wont be reupgrading.

Spanko · #51 02-13-2002, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Not that I'm supporting staff complacency, but I'll mention that EQ or UO or DAoC admins wouldn't bother with you either.

Indeed, they'd just say: "Sorry, but we cannot help you with that, please make sure your computer has better security." or something like that.

galen · #52 02-13-2002, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aknts
It was around 1-05 to 1-08 between there.

I fold no loss of money in the logs, but some hats yes

-hat: 7 at (31,30.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 7 at (31,30.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw ->
-hat: 12 at (31,30.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 12 at (31,30.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 28 at (31,30.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 28 at (31,30.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 42 at (30.5,33) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 42 at (30.5,33) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 85 at (30.5,33) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 85 at (30.5,33) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 96 at (34.5,29.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 96 at (34.5,29.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 102 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 102 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 117 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 117 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 128 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 128 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 129 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 129 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 83 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 83 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 14 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 14 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 12 at (50,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 102 at (50,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 117 at (50.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
+hat: 117 at (50.5,9) in worldn-18.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 128 at (50,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 129 at (51.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 41 at (10,27) in worldo-18.nw from Alley_Cat
+hat: 129 at (39.5,7) in worldn-18.nw -> Neglegence2002
-hat: 28 at (51.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 83 at (51.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
+hat: 28 at (39.5,7) in worldn-18.nw -> Neglegence2002
-hat: 96 at (51.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 117 at (51.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
+hat: 83 at (39.5,7) in worldn-18.nw -> bumpertobumper
-hat: 85 at (51.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
+hat: 41 at (4.5,22) in worldo-18.nw -> Alley_Cat
+hat: 102 at (39.5,7) in worldn-18.nw -> AcidIce2001
+hat: 96 at (39.5,7) in worldn-18.nw -> AcidIce2001
+hat: 85 at (39.5,7) in worldn-18.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 42 at (51,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
+hat: 42 at (51,9) in worldn-18.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 85 at (52.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 96 at (52.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 102 at (51,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 41 at (10,27) in worldo-18.nw from Alley_Cat

Do as you willwith this information, as it was more than a month ago I will persue this no further.

freddyfox · #53 02-13-2002, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Birdbird_0
screen shots can be faked, and people can lie for their friends.

Why does it matter? It's not like money or hats retain any recognizable value anymore.

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #54 02-13-2002, 12:58 PM

I guess birdbird is too good for the people that pay for this gam, he doesn't have time to look up in a log for maybe 2 minutes who stole what and make a paying customer happy

Kohojogo · #55 02-13-2002, 03:41 PM

Power make evil...

Kaimetsu · #56 02-13-2002, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by freddyfox

Why does it matter? It's not like money or hats retain any recognizable value anymore.

The counter-argument: If they're not worth anything then there's no reason to give them back.

Aknts · #57 02-14-2002, 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by galen

I fold no loss of money in the logs, but some hats yes

-hat: 7 at (31,30.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 7 at (31,30.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw ->
-hat: 12 at (31,30.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 12 at (31,30.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 28 at (31,30.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 28 at (31,30.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 42 at (30.5,33) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 42 at (30.5,33) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 85 at (30.5,33) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 85 at (30.5,33) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 96 at (34.5,29.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 96 at (34.5,29.5) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 102 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 102 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 117 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 117 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 128 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 128 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 129 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 129 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 83 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 83 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 14 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw from Aknts
+hat: 14 at (35.5,29) in worldm-18_stable.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 12 at (50,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 102 at (50,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 117 at (50.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
+hat: 117 at (50.5,9) in worldn-18.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 128 at (50,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 129 at (51.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 41 at (10,27) in worldo-18.nw from Alley_Cat
+hat: 129 at (39.5,7) in worldn-18.nw -> Neglegence2002
-hat: 28 at (51.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 83 at (51.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
+hat: 28 at (39.5,7) in worldn-18.nw -> Neglegence2002
-hat: 96 at (51.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 117 at (51.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
+hat: 83 at (39.5,7) in worldn-18.nw -> bumpertobumper
-hat: 85 at (51.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
+hat: 41 at (4.5,22) in worldo-18.nw -> Alley_Cat
+hat: 102 at (39.5,7) in worldn-18.nw -> AcidIce2001
+hat: 96 at (39.5,7) in worldn-18.nw -> AcidIce2001
+hat: 85 at (39.5,7) in worldn-18.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 42 at (51,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
+hat: 42 at (51,9) in worldn-18.nw -> AcidIce2001
-hat: 85 at (52.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 96 at (52.5,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 102 at (51,9) in worldn-18.nw from AcidIce2001
-hat: 41 at (10,27) in worldo-18.nw from Alley_Cat

Do as you willwith this information, as it was more than a month ago I will persue this no further.

WTF AcidIce took my ****!!!?

Aknts · #58 02-14-2002, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by galen

I fold no loss of money in the logs, but some hats yes
Do as you willwith this information, as it was more than a month ago I will persue this no further.

Dude ask anyone who has played Graal2001. I had about 10000-12000 gralat on me at the time. I will take just 10 and my hats witch show where taken from acidice in that log. So you should ban his account.

Aknts · #59 02-14-2002, 04:18 AM

And I think my money was dropped right outside the stables.

_AcidIce_ · #60 02-14-2002, 04:21 AM

I'm not the only one that uses that account , before I let a friend of mine who was friends with Bassna use my account . Bassna is a hacker I know cause he hacked some of my staff on UN . I heard about Spanky being hacked and the guy didn't change the password so I went on the account and saw that there was hats on there. The next day I come back and all my items were deleted and the hats were gone. So I changed the password preventing the guy to come back on the account again. Spanky told me that day that some guy sent him a Zip with a exe in it and he ran it and his account got "hacked".

Aknts · #61 02-14-2002, 04:24 AM

Explain it right please. Bassna who I "was" friends with said he was starting a new game showed me screen shots and they looked cool. They were in the making. So I scan the program and all when I opened it nothing came up so I went ahh **** and deleted it by that time he already gotten my Aknts account from the Graal Data Base thing.

_AcidIce_ · #62 02-14-2002, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aknts
Explain it right please. Bassna who I "was" friends with said he was starting a new game showed me screen shots and they looked cool. They were in the making. So I scan the program and all when I opened it nothing came up so I went ahh **** and deleted it by that time he already gotten my Aknts account from the Graal Data Base thing.

But still it was your fault for opening it . I didn't take your stuff .. Friend of mine named Dan with the account name Dan_009 was the person who was on it.

Warcaptain · #63 02-14-2002, 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sir_Gareth
Hmm and when does this happen,
I havemnt got my minerals back,
damn maybe staff should read over
the "Graal bible" a few times,

graal staff have "better" things to do then help those who are the only reason they have a job in the first place.

doing their important admin stuff like.. goofing off in rc, hiring their friends, and giving themselves things we could only dream of--for the sole reason that they "help" us.

Er1c · #64 02-14-2002, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aknts
Explain it right please. Bassna who I "was" friends with said he was starting a new game showed me screen shots and they looked cool. They were in the making. So I scan the program and all when I opened it nothing came up so I went ahh **** and deleted it by that time he already gotten my Aknts account from the Graal Data Base thing.

www.zonealarm.com
Get yourself a firewall.

Aknts · #65 02-14-2002, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Er1c
www.zonealarm.com
Get yourself a firewall.

Got right after it happened.

Kaimetsu · #66 02-14-2002, 08:17 AM

AcidIce, your account should be banned if you let nefarious types use it for such things. It might not be your fault entirely, but it's your account and you take responsibility.

adam · #67 02-15-2002, 03:08 AM

Yep. That is how the chain of command works. the one at the top is responsible for everyone.

Aknts · #68 02-16-2002, 06:58 AM

Can I just have my damn paper hat!!?

Faheria_LAT1 · #69 02-16-2002, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by _AcidIce_
But still it was your fault for opening it . I didn't take your stuff .. Friend of mine named Dan with the account name Dan_009 was the person who was on it.

Did Bassna post this?

If so then: Hahahahaha loser, get a life *****, don't even try 'hacking' my RC account or any other account like you did on Faheria_GP5 because it will not work

Aknts · #70 02-16-2002, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aknts
Can I just have my damn paper hat!!?

James205 · #71 02-16-2002, 07:23 AM

Well duh Birdbird would give his stuff back to hisself. I mean what more proof does he need that he got hacked? If he has the power and it happens to him it's enough proof bleh. Spanky's case is hard, think about it...

Jimmy is playing graal and decides to talk to Franky. Franky and Jimmy come up with a good plan on how to fool the admins and get more items and weapons! Jimmy messages the admin saying "I was hacked and all my items were stolen I have a items list and if you need proof I know a guy named Franky who saw it!"

Now if the admin would give the money then that guy is sure rich. The admins response should actually be "I can't do anything, this isnt a guessing game, I can't guess if you are telling the truth or not." But Jimmy has a back up! He easily took a regular screenshot and editted it simply! because graal doesn't have any antialiasing(sp?) so once again the admin cant do anything about it. But he has the history between the hacker! Once again the admin cant do anything, but the admin can put a effort in finding some information but if the admin finds none then nothing should be done.

We need some kind of log that will give us proof that the person is not lying. Spanky I doubt you're lying but still we can't make this a guessing game and I cant guess you didnt hack.(This may all not make sense because I just woke up heh)

Aknts · #72 02-16-2002, 07:31 AM

Ok..

1. Lord Andrew gave me a paper hat for free. So now since you people where b*tches, I want all my stuff back!

2. James or any other staff, you can ask anyone on Graal2001 who is not a newbie about my money and hats. I had about maybe 8-14 hats. I had about 10000-13000 gralat. Ask anyone..Im not someone who does that crap for money. i worked for my money.

James205 · #73 02-16-2002, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aknts
Ok..

1. Lord Andrew gave me a paper hat for free. So now since you people where b*tches, I want all my stuff back!

2. James or any other staff, you can ask anyone on Graal2001 who is not a newbie about my money and hats. I had about maybe 8-14 hats. I had about 10000-13000 gralat. Ask anyone..Im not someone who does that crap for money. i worked for my money.

Everyone works for there money. The problem is that I could ask many people and just because you are 'liked' people will agree with me. Yet there are people who will disagree to which makes the case impossible to judge. We can't ask other people about things unless they are staff but those staff still may be your friends and corrupted. I think we need some kind of log system that can proof to us that you have all the stuff you did.

Aknts · #74 02-16-2002, 07:41 AM

Just make up more excuses my god...This exactly is why and about everyone wont be upgrading when he accounts run out. B/c all you want to do is make excuses instead of doing something about it.

Python523 · #75 02-16-2002, 07:47 AM

How hard is it to find out who? If I had log access I would find it, He had over 10000 gralats, just search for Gralats:Ankts:-100 or whatever it is, then you'll find out where he dropped it and who picked it up

James205 · #76 02-16-2002, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aknts
Just make up more excuses my god...This exactly is why and about everyone wont be upgrading when he accounts run out. B/c all you want to do is make excuses instead of doing something about it.

Ok so when someone says "I got hacked even ask my friends" I should believe them and give them there 13123 items back! OK!

Neonight · #77 02-16-2002, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aknts
As most of you know I was one of the richest or was the richest person on Graal2001 about a month ago. I was hacked and they person took everything. I ask BirdBird and he says its not Graal2001's responsibility..I pay for this game I have 5 accounts. All for year subscriptions. So I think it is Graal2001 responsibility. I payed for that server!! I wasn't all upset about the hacking but all I wanted was my Paper Hat back, it completed me...I said forget all the money can I just have my Paper Hat back and I get no answer. Plus if the staff wasn't lazy they could easily look in the logs and see who took my stuff.

Graal's gralat logs are many MB per day. x_X

Neonight · #78 02-16-2002, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by James205

Ok so when someone says "I got hacked even ask my friends" I should believe them and give them there 13123 items back! OK!

hay i got hax0rz gime all idems i ahd tem all plz i pay you 2g

konidias · #79 02-17-2002, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neonight

Graal's gralat logs are many MB per day. x_X

No they aren't.. they are like a mb on a slow week...

That is no excuse, if the staff can't download the logs, they don't need to have a staff position that requires them to check it.. when I had ftp I could download archived log files in less then a minute and they were up to 3MB in size.

_AcidIce_ · #80 02-17-2002, 12:14 AM

Listen 99% of Hack threads on these forums is from this idiot named Bassna. He always tries to even hack me , sending me exe's and what not. I can get his IP if you want but I think the only bad thing is that he has AOL. If you read the PW forum he hacked one of the Faheria's RCs.