User agreement...breached?

[busyrobot]

This conversation is going badly because we are using 'pk' to describe a million different types of pking.

One:
You get in a fight, you loose, you are pked.

fairly harmless

Two:
Some jerk thinks its funny to laming aura you at an altar or when you are reading PMs, you kill the fool when you learn who it was.

annoying but more or less harmless

Three:
Someone PKs you for drops for 3 hours straight. Well, they PK you because you pked their friend at the altar...

called you kinda brought it on yourself.


Four:
You didn't want to trade that flaming ice dagger, and the fellow who wants it gets pissed and makes your life hell by PKing you all the time saying 'I PWN U - SELL 2 MEH!'

Now, this is not harmless, and while is in breach of the EULA, it is hard to prove, because who really knows if it is #3 or #4.


...

In short, people sometimes are upset at getting PKed because they gambled and lost. They've Pked, and eventually, they tried to PK someone who outclassed them and got burned for it.

Others, get PKed for lowsy reasons, like they won't sell an item or someone hates their friend etc.


You can argue that in battlemode, anything goes, but I think that is a lazy approach. I think all elements in the game can be abused, from alchemy, to trading to bmode and if something falls into that category, then it is abuse or breach.


It is worth a debate to sort out what the true boundries are

[Lance]

Originally posted by Blue_Dragn


Except i saw him draw no correlation, or even an attempt, between rape and harassment. Just rather stating the apparent.

Then perhaps you have some trouble identifying an attempt at an analogy.

If you were walking through the woods, and that were to happen, you didnt want it to happen, it was forced upon you.

Thus is the same with getting pked while you are using bmode for the extra exp and such. You dont want to be pked, hunted, and disruped, yet you are.

Sigh. Rape is a bit more complicated, and is a bit more of a violation of one's will, than being PKed.

The comparasions seem relevant enough to me, although distant, it did for the said situation, seem to work

It 'works' to you as it includes the fallacy of appealing to emotion. Using an emotive word such as rape to compare a behavior that one dislikes with in order to bring about a favorable result is inherently flawed.

[Blue_Dragn]

Originally posted by Lance


Then perhaps you have some trouble identifying an attempt at an analogy.

Still you cannot identify this Analogy you claim exists, in no way was he comparing the two togather, rather the two as seprate instances, since someone (you even i believe) brought up the fact of harassment.

Sigh. Rape is a bit more complicated, and is a bit more of a violation of one's will, than being PKed.

Seems here that you are the one who has trouble identifying an attempt at an analogy, see how that works?
No one ever said "PK is Definatly Rape!"

It 'works' to you as it includes the fallacy of appealing to emotion. Using an emotive word such as rape to compare a behavior that one dislikes with in order to bring about a favorable result is inherently flawed.

Mabye not, because i could care less if it appeals to emotion or not, some people are not as good with analogys as others, big deal, the fact is, at the core, the main analogy existed, and in this, was what he was looking for, i doubt he was using the word 'rape' as a keyhole to get in emotionally with everyone, this logic also, is flawed

[Lance]

Originally posted by Blue_Dragn


Still you cannot identify this Analogy you claim exists, in no way was he comparing the two togather, rather the two as seprate instances, since someone (you even i believe) brought up the fact of harassment.

Seems here that you are the one who has trouble identifying an attempt at an analogy, see how that works?
No one ever said "PK is Definatly Rape!"

Mabye not, because i could care less if it appeals to emotion or not, some people are not as good with analogys as others, big deal, the fact is, at the core, the main analogy existed, and in this, was what he was looking for, i doubt he was using the word 'rape' as a keyhole to get in emotionally with everyone, this logic also, is flawed

I have three bits of advice for you:

1) Please learn when to use a comma (and when not to).
2) Don't contradict yourself.
3) Learn what an analogy is.

After reviewing these three, please: re-examine your post, decide what point you are attempting to make, and then work towards it.

[deman1171]

Rofl, they also say that Graal Kingdoms includes no violence or vulgar stuff.. people have cusswords in there name, i get harrased by NyT, and when you kill a monster a puddle of blood appears x-x

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

*Points out the upskirt in that girl's hentai signature pic*


Anyway, i say we put this post aside for today at least... merry christmas everyone!

[Blue_Dragn]

Originally posted by Lance
[B]

I have three bits of advice for you:

1) Please learn when to use a comma (and when not to).

I dont really think i will use less. You know, just to please you. Besides is that the only part you could pick out of my statement?

2) Don't contradict yourself.

Point it out dont just say it and assume i will believe you.

3) Learn what an analogy is.

Oh yeah, this coming from someone who needs to learn what an analogy reads like.

After reviewing these three, please: re-examine your post, decide what point you are attempting to make, and then work towards it.

I made my point already. You can't fault me for your ability to miss the apparent.

Edit: Because i wont be here anymore untill after new year, it was required i respond to this now...Either way Merry Christmas, Happy new year,

[UNPTWOPWINNER]

Originally posted by Monkeyboy_McGee


If you were at the shops, and there was a shortcut through the woods which would enable you to get home quicker, you would want to take it. If you got raped in the woods, that would count as sexual harrassment.

You forget one thing. The difference between each situation is going into battlemode you know you have a chance of being PKed. In your analogy, going down that shortcut does not warn you of rape, so your analogy is flawed. :o


I even remember the old Battle Mode <-> Peaceful Mode NPC
Going into battle mode WARNED you of PKers...so I don't see a reason to complain here at all.

[Milkdude99]

Since I don't play GK but what I have observed here on how the gameplay is on GK then it is the responsiblity of the player to remain in Peaceful Mode if they do not want to be PK'ed. Harressment cannot be claimed if the player does not take steps on his/her own behalf to avoid "areas" or in this case "Battle Mode " on being PK'ed. If you are PK'ed in peaceful mode then that is different but from what I gather this is not possible so claiming harressment by being in Battle Mode instead Peaceful Mode , the fault is on the player because of improper mode they are in. If they don't understand the rules of the RP server then find out but to complain when it is clearly their own fault that this is happening will not fly.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by UNPTWOPWINNER



You forget one thing. The difference between each situation is going into battlemode you know you have a chance of being PKed. In your analogy, going down that shortcut does not warn you of rape, so your analogy is flawed. :o

You've never seen any news reports, news articles, had talks about it in your schools, etc etc etc about people having been abducted and been caught in the/taken off to the woods and been done over? Boom.

Originally posted by Milkdude99

Since I don't play GK but what I have observed here on how the gameplay is on GK then it is the responsiblity of the player to remain in Peaceful Mode if they do not want to be PK'ed. Harressment cannot be claimed if the player does not take steps on his/her own behalf to avoid "areas" or in this case "Battle Mode " on being PK'ed. If you are PK'ed in peaceful mode then that is different but from what I gather this is not possible so claiming harressment by being in Battle Mode instead Peaceful Mode , the fault is on the player because of improper mode they are in. If they don't understand the rules of the RP server then find out but to complain when it is clearly their own fault that this is happening will not fly.

Yet another guy missing one of the points i'm making. Since it's been repeated more times than the de-clothing of a prostitute, i'll just keep it short this time. Pkers are forcing us to stay in Pmode, denying us access to certain parts of the game. This should not be happening. Boom.

[Lance]

Originally posted by Blue_Dragn


I dont really think i will use less. You know, just to please you. Besides is that the only part you could pick out of my statement?

No, but out of all of them, it was the most insulting to my intelligence.

Point it out dont just say it and assume i will believe you.

Sure; between:

Still you cannot identify this Analogy you claim exists

and:

the fact is, at the core, the main analogy existed

Oh yeah, this coming from someone who needs to learn what an analogy reads like.

Actually, it's coming from someone who can identify them. I will note once again that you contradicted yourself even in acknowledging whether or not said analogy exists.

I made my point already. You can't fault me for my ability to miss the apparent.

Fixed that one for you - Yes, I can fault you for that.

[UNPTWOPWINNER]

Originally posted by Monkeyboy_McGee


You've never seen any news reports, news articles, had talks about it in your schools, etc etc etc about people having been abducted and been caught in the/taken off to the woods and been done over? Boom.

But was that included in the analogy? No, so the analogy remains flawed.

And when you go into battle mode, you should know for a fact there are PKers out there.
When you go in the woods, are you suppose to automaticly think they are rapists out there in those woods? No.

As for the "boom", you aren't right, so no boom for you. :o

As for the PKing, I'm going to have to side with the people saying that when you go into battle mode you can't cry harassment when you're PKed. I mean look at the name of the mode....battle.

[Blue_Dragn]

Originally posted by Lance

No, but out of all of them, it was the most insulting to my intelligence.

Cool :grin:

Sure; between:
and:

You seem to be taking the apparent out of context, The analogy you claim exists, dosent. The one where he was trying to compare rape to PK? so therefore no contradiction exists, because his analogy exists, yours dosent.

He used his "rape" situation as a diffrent extreme to explain his point, it is not his fault you missed that. Also directly after making the assumption he said rape and pk are of the same level extremes.

Actually, it's coming from someone who can identify them. I will note once again that you contradicted yourself even in acknowledging whether or not said analogy exists.

Hm, read above. You seem to have gotten lost somewhere

Fixed that one for you - Yes, I can fault you for that.

Great job, now that its completely wrong, you have earned fault again :grin:

I didnt think it was so hard to understand, that the analogy you were attempting to claim he made dosent exist. Yet the analogy he made, exists and actually holds some valid point.

I guess some people just dont get it

[Lance]

Originally posted by Blue_Dragn

You seem to be taking the apparent out of context, The analogy you claim exists, dosent. The one where he was trying to compare rape to PK? so therefore no contradiction exists, because his analogy exists, yours dosent.

Sigh. People like you annoy me. They really do. Listen, doofus, because I'm explaining this once and once only:

He drew a comparison (also called an analogy by some of us) between rape and PKing. I pointed out that analogy, and you straightaway told me that it didn't exist. Then, you said in your post that it does. Kindly re-examine the thread, and you will learn such surprising facts as "Lance is right!"

He used his "rape" situation as a diffrent extreme to explain his point,

This is how analogies are used, you ignorant fool.

it is not his fault you missed that. Also directly after making the assumption he said rape and pk are of the same level extremes.

See, this is why I'm picking up that whole "You don't get it" vibe - you don't.

Hm, read above. You seem to have gotten lost somewhere

Great job, now that its completely wrong, you have earned fault again :grin:

I didnt think it was so hard to understand, that the analogy you were attempting to claim he made dosent exist. Yet the analogy he made, exists and actually holds some valid point.

Your mistake should have become apparent by now, but if it hasn't: you somewhere acquired the notion that I said he made some other analogy, and then proceeded to act upon this incorrect notion.

I guess some people just dont get it

You don't know how right you are. =)

[Blue_Dragn]

Originally posted by Lance
[B]

Sigh. People like you annoy me. They really do.
[b]

Cool

He drew a comparison (also called an analogy by some of us) between rape and PKing.

Actually saying in the sense that if either happened to you in the way they did, you would not want them to happen. This in no way compares rape to pk?

However it does point out that in both instances (while one more extreme then the other) you dont want it to happen.

Kindly re-examine the thread, and you will learn such surprising facts as "Lance is right!"

Hm, i dont see that anywhere, silly me :/

This is how analogies are used, you ignorant fool.
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See, this is why I'm picking up that whole "You don't get it" vibe - you don't.

I think I get it just fine, you may be wrong and we just can't let that happen

Your mistake should have become apparent by now, but if it hasn't: you somewhere acquired the notion that I said he made some other analogy, and then proceeded to act upon this incorrect notion.

Ruatha - you are attempting to draw a correlation between rape and harassment

Well, it seems to me you did somehow see him draw lines between life-rape and game-pk; i saw no such thing, except him using them to describe situations to another person in which you wouldnt want that to happen.

You don't know how right you are. =)

Believe me, I do

[Lance]

Originally posted by Blue_Dragn


Actually saying in the sense that if either happened to you in the way they did, you would not want them to happen. This in no way compares rape to pk?

However it does point out that in both instances (while one more extreme then the other) you dont want it to happen.

Make up your mind. First you deny such an analogy exists, then you decide that it does, and now it does not again.

Hm, i dont see that anywhere, silly me :/

Because you're a pathetic, closed-minded, willfully ignorant, incompetent fool who has just arrived at these forums and believes he is more intelligent than everyone else.

I think I get it just fine, you may be wrong and we just can't let that happen

See above. I'm tired of dealing with your garbage posts, and this thread has ran its course. It has clearly been established that PKing and Rape are two very different situations which should not be attempted to be used as comparisons within an analogy.

Thread Closed. PKing is not inherently a violation of the user agreement. End.