You wanna know the problem? Here's the ****ing problem.

[Devil]

Originally posted by Googi


Good gun control

Sadly will never happen.

-Brett

[MrCharles]

Originally posted by Devil


Actually if you missed my point, let me make it obvious, I don't see how you American's can run around saying "oyay we r supapowa ph33r us" when you should be called the Crime Nation.

-Brett

Just because we have a lot of crime doesn't mean we dont have a lot of nukes. ;]

Having crime and being a superpower doesn't have much to do with eachother.

[Soul-Blade]

Few things that bothered me:

Person who mentioned American History books:

For your information, they tell everything in the history books. They do not leave out the "bad stuff", its not like these books were made by the government, they are made by educated people, and I doubt the information is false, as that would be a step backword. We don't have the government controling or media and such, that would be madness.

About the media:

I don't even watch T.V. much. They usually don't even have any things about other countries unless its on the news. Commercials are trying to sell a product, Americans don't "listen" to them as in follow what they say, we watch it and maybe want it. I don't think the media really influences any decisions I make, rather it informs me of current things going on. What a ignorant, insane statement to say we do whatever the media says.

About that crime deal:

Big deal. We have crime like everyone else. We are not gorillas, which are practically perfect, we are humans. There are always some people who will go around the law and cheat to complete some objective, it is impossible to avoid. We do have police, and we are trying to control crime.

Googi

Good gun control and free health care are a considerable difference.

We have good gun control. We don't have people walking around with auto guns, or any military guns, so what if people have a hand gun, or a rifle...it is our right. There should be no gun control, because criminals will ALWAYS be able to get guns. If you are willing to use a gun to shoot someone, then you are willing to get a gun in the black market.

Free health care? Doubt the doctors are very good. Not to mention there can be some hard workers, then some lazy, worthless person to society who walk in, and whoever is first would get assistance. A Socialist society is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of, but I guess Canada is just trying to be fair. Personally I think people should work for things, and getting medical insurance is not very hard considering you get very nice doctors. Also, most of the time a job will pay for medical.

To the guy insulting us with the superpower deal...

We do say we are a superpower. But guess what....every other country acknowledges that we are a superpower. And guess why. Because we are. We do indeed have the strongest military in the world. We are also one of the countries countrolling the most nuclear weapons in world (Personally I think all nuclear weapons should be destroyed, as currently we have enough of them to destroy all life on Earth, and nothing in the world should have such a power), and nuclear weapons are a symbol of power. Not to mention most other countries depend on us for trading, and we are of huge importance to this world....I would say we are a super power.

[Googi]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade
I don't even watch T.V. much. They usually don't even have any things about other countries unless its on the news. Commercials are trying to sell a product, Americans don't "listen" to them as in follow what they say, we watch it and maybe want it. I don't think the media really influences any decisions I make, rather it informs me of current things going on. What a ignorant, insane statement to say we do whatever the media says.

That's the point, you're not supposed to know that the media has such great psychological control over people. Arguably they're more powerful than government. Of course, it's that way in all commercialized countries, not just the United States.

Originally posted by Soul-Blade
We have good gun control. We don't have people walking around with auto guns, or any military guns, so what if people have a hand gun, or a rifle...it is our right. There should be no gun control, because criminals will ALWAYS be able to get guns. If you are willing to use a gun to shoot someone, then you are willing to get a gun in the black market.

The average desperate poor guy who wants to hold up a store doesn't have the money to pay black market prices, however. And I can point out that Canada's crime rate, especially rape and murder, is a great deal lower than that of the United States.

Originally posted by Soul-Blade
Free health care? Doubt the doctors are very good.

They're the same as the American ones. They still get paid, just by the government.

[tlf288]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade

Person who mentioned American History books:

For your information, they tell everything in the history books.

HAH!!!!
You obviously don't know much about this!

They do not leave out the "bad stuff",

hmm, most history books kind of leave out the vietnam war dont they? Lets see, almost all just barely touch on, if they even do, the Mexican War. You wanna know why? Because, it is the only war in which we actually START!, we start the war in order to get mexico's land.

and I doubt the information is false

Not false by no means, just not straightly portrayed.

We don't have the government controling or media and such, that would be madness.

I wasn't talking about the media

[melissa1988]

So? If you give something to somebody then it's not yours anymore. If that person goes on to donate it to charity then it is their act of generosity and not yours. So what's your point? How do you think you have defeated my argument?

I wasn't trying to defeat your argument. There's no point in trying to do so because you have a valid point. All I was saying is that I feel the American people should have more say as to where their money goes when the government takes it from them. They shouldn't just be able to do whatever they want with it as they are doing now.

[melissa1988]

Well ya got me there...made me look stupid. Happy now? Seriously though, sometimes I gotta stop talking out of my ass.

[Devil]

Originally posted by MrCharles


Just because we have a lot of crime doesn't mean we dont have a lot of nukes. ;]

Having crime and being a superpower doesn't have much to do with eachother.

And what gives you the right to have them and no other country?
Double standards mate.

-Brett

[MrCharles]

Originally posted by Devil


And what gives you the right to have them and no other country?
Double standards mate.

-Brett

...Any other country can have them?

i was saying thats why we are a superpower, crime has nothing to do with it.

I dont know what you mean by double standards;[

[melissa1988]

He means that we try to prevent other nations from having nuclear weapons and urge people to disarm, yet we quite possibly have more nukes and heavy firepower than every other nation in the world combined.

[Kinatt]

Why should other nation if other america isn't going to disarm.

PS I have so much firepower in my pants I could blow up the energizer bunny.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Originally posted by Googi


Good gun control and free health care are a considerable difference.

Yes. Good gun "control". The one that is costing us a billion dollars and hasn't been implemented yet

Tell me. If you were a criminal, would you tell the government you have a gun? "Omg look here I have an illegal firearm I will commit crimes with. I will register it so they can trace it down to god knows where and they can eventually find me!"

[Devil]

And why doesn't anyone have anything to say about my last post, I'm speaking to you Americans, answer it.

-Brett

[Devil]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
America's control over the world is nothing to do with rights. They appoint themselves as planetary watchdog because they believe that it will make the world a better place. Which may indeed be the case.

You're not American, I wanted to see an american stick up for themselves. You didn't answer my question, but you may not have tried, ANYWAY, It's double standards as far as I care, if one country (America) can have weapons of war, why can't another country?

-Brett

[Devil]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Depends. In some situations the answer would be: Because they would use those weapons to blow people to pieces. In others it is less clear-cut. I believe that there should be a force regulating power among the nations. Whether or not that should be America, though, is a different story.

Haha like that's going to happen in our lifetime, maybe when all the nations come together in a war and blow the world up, then we won't have to worry about it, with the first bit of your post, who says America wont use it to blow up Iraq, and all their people to pieces.

-Brett

[Devil]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


I agree that it's a potentially dangerous situation. I'm just arguing that America's actions are not inherently evil - if they are just trying to stabilise the world and make it a better place then, from a moral standpoint, they are to be commended.

Yeah but you don't know exactly what they're doing, they see the bigger picture, we don't.

-Brett

[Devil]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Oh, I know, which is why I'm not saying they have good intentions; I'm saying that they might have good intentions. One way or another, you can't definitively damn them just for trying to control the amount of power nations have, because you don't know their intentions. It could be a nice act, it could be an evil act, but it's probably somewhere in between.

Well it's not use just me and you discussing this, I'll wait for Americans to come on.

-Brett

[MrCharles]

Originally posted by Devil


You're not American, I wanted to see an american stick up for themselves. You didn't answer my question, but you may not have tried, ANYWAY, It's double standards as far as I care, if one country (America) can have weapons of war, why can't another country?

-Brett

We dont let places like Iraqq have them because... they are irresponsible with them and will kill a lot of people, America has proven themselves responsible with them.

[Soul-Blade]

Are you insane? Iraq has a madman as a leader! Every country should be supporting the U.S. in war against Iraq. If he has weapons of mass descruction, he will use them against his own people and our allies. There is NOTHING wrong with trying to prevent him from doing so.

As for the COMPLETE IDIOT talking about history books, please get informed on the area. They tell us everything, *****, including everything to do with the vietnam war and our failure, and they tell of war we start. How dumb are you? This is a free country, they cannot control what we read, and what we can read. That comment you made was so idiotic its just unbelievable...

[Neoreno]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade

As for the COMPLETE IDIOT talking about history books, please get informed on the area. They tell us everything, *****, including everything to do with the vietnam war and our failure, and they tell of war we start. How dumb are you? This is a free country, they cannot control what we read, and what we can read. That comment you made was so idiotic its just unbelievable...

So naive.

But I do agree with your point that Saddam has to go.

[Neonight]

Brad, the only thing I ask you is if you want to play CS.

Then again, I bugged you to give me back that 1,000g that "mysteriously" disappeared. ;D

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by Googi


That's the point, you're not supposed to know that the media has such great psychological control over people. Arguably they're more powerful than government. Of course, it's that way in all commercialized countries, not just the United States.



The average desperate poor guy who wants to hold up a store doesn't have the money to pay black market prices, however. And I can point out that Canada's crime rate, especially rape and murder, is a great deal lower than that of the United States.



They're the same as the American ones. They still get paid, just by the government.

Hmm, missed this post. Anywho...I don't believe that media has nearly as much "control" as everyone says. There are many who don't even watch T.V. much (I don't, probably on average 2-5 minutes a day).

Think about this on for a second. Canada's population is only that of (well, less then) California. California is 1 of 50 US States. With this in mind...the US has a WAY bigger population then Canada does. The numbers don't count, its the RATIO that would count.

And, getting paid by the government is usually never enough. When someone in another country gets injured, where are they likely to send them? To the US doctors. Is that just coincidence? I don't see them saying "To Canada, immediatly!". Point is, it may be much more expensive, but the fact remains you will find better doctors (much better, in some cases) here.

Once again. To the ***** talking about American history books. You are a complete idiot. Please, go do some research before saying such stupid things.

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Then you're very naive, but that's your prerogative. Consider that the media also influences you indirectly through the people you know.



And obviously he's talking about ratios.



Your evidence is pretty poor. There are all kinds of factors that could account for the (unproven) phenomenon you describe.



Sure, sure. But you're not really presenting any points - he could say the exact same thing right back to you and it wouldn't be any more or less valid.

Just think about what you are saying. I don't care if people choose to live in ignorance, but if you care about being educated then do some research. Any intelligent person can see the error in what you, and those others, are saying.

[melissa1988]

Dude...textbooks DO leave stuff out...there's no possible way to include EVERYTHING, so they have to pick the most significant things and water down others to fit the material into one course...

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by melissa1988
Dude...textbooks DO leave stuff out...there's no possible way to include EVERYTHING, so they have to pick the most significant things and water down others to fit the material into one course...

Well, of course things like a world history book is summarized to the extreme (yet they still weigh in over 1,000 pages o_O) but what they are wrongly saying is that they remove things which are negative towards the US, to make people more patriotic. That, of course, is not true. Patriotism comes from a appreciation and obligation to uphold the great things the founders of this country have done, and the great things people are doing. The need to protect our rights and our freedoms. At least, that is my case. I doubt it is something someone from another country can understand.

[JrTerrorist]

DUDE!
ALL I DID WAS ASK FOR CYNICAL POERN!!!!

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


But they can't actually point out that error, huh? Come on, Soul Blade, you can at least try to do better. All you've done all along is said "yeah you are wrong and I am right and I am great GO USA". If you want to earn any credibility then you have to give what we call 'arguments' instead of just telling everybody that you think they are wrong.

Believe it or not, there was some logic in me not giving a argument. I am able to see that those who I am arguing with are clearly brainwashed, so anything I say will probably be ignored anyway. So I figure: Let them figure it out, search for the answers. I can pull anything out of no where, as can anyone, so no one should be trusted. Facts should be found first hand, and I would rather not pass them on second hand.

[Googi]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade
Facts should be found first hand, and I would rather not pass them on second hand.

That's because you don't know them either

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by Googi


That's because you don't know them either

Hey there. Try not to be a ***** and analyze the post here. I know its hard not being a *****, but really, try. From where these people are coming from, even posting pages of evidence would not work. They would need to discover for themselves.

[melissa1988]

Personally, I think all the stuff Soul's spouting is a cop out...Don't make claims you can't back up

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by melissa1988
Personally, I think all the stuff Soul's spouting is a cop out...Don't make claims you can't back up

If you say so



Hey there everyone, lets consider text people post as true facts!


Wow look at that! Of course my stuff is true, because Canada rules the world! Wow look at us, so stupidly arguing, when Canada is the most powerful country in existence, it rules the world! Looks like my "evidence" is greater then yours, because I typed 100% true information.

[melissa1988]

All I can say is...WTF

[Neoreno]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade


If you say so



Hey there everyone, lets consider text people post as true facts!


Wow look at that! Of course my stuff is true, because Canada rules the world! Wow look at us, so stupidly arguing, when Canada is the most powerful country in existence, it rules the world! Looks like my "evidence" is greater then yours, because I typed 100% true information.

I highly DOUBT it is 100% accurate. Because you are, I believe, no matter how much you deny it, getting your information from the media. Which have a slight tendency for bias

[Googi]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade
Hey there. Try not to be a ***** and analyze the post here. I know its hard not being a *****, but really, try. From where these people are coming from, even posting pages of evidence would not work. They would need to discover for themselves.

Umm...you're arguing against Kaimetsu, even if you had pages of evidence, he would have pages of evidence for the other side. You can't really expect the people that you're arguing against to look up things that are going to help you win.