About the council.

[Nemesis]

Originally posted by gokux33
Haha, we're basing Graal Management off a movie. x_X No wonder why it's in the crapper.

Not the movie...the concept of the council structure...

Even in books and in history you can find relations....It's an idea that could be possible..yet your negativity is unwanted...and I'd wish you not post if you are going to be negative because we need to find a way to make this work if it's going to be official and there is no sense fighting it, yet there are ways we could help it and adjust it if allowed and given the oppertunity to do so

[gokux33]

Originally posted by Nemesis


Not the movie...the concept of the council structure...

Even in books and in history you can find relations....It's an idea that could be possible..yet your negativity is unwanted...and I'd wish you not post if you are going to be negative because we need to find a way to make this work if it's going to be official and there is no sense fighting it, yet there are ways we could help it and adjust it if allowed and given the oppertunity to do so

Dude, get on AIM, NOW

[Nemesis]

Originally posted by gokux33
Dude, get on AIM, NOW

I'll pass and be on later...I just wished people would try to help make things work...I'm trying I dunno..Cuz rejecting it won't exactly win over anything...but try to work with it and alter it possibly will work....

I dunno...just post ideas..majority dislikes the whole council idea...so alternatives can be posted x_X

[Valder]

MESSAGE FROM ALKAREN!

From Alkaren Hyralt:
To Graal:

I find the whole concept to be inherntly flawed in the most extreme sense. The council will fail, because no one will all be on at the same time, and bias, hypocrisy, and corruption will rule it, rather than the good of Graal.

[gokux33]

Originally posted by Nemesis


I'll pass and be on later...I just wished people would try to help make things work...I'm trying I dunno..Cuz rejecting it won't exactly win over anything...but try to work with it and alter it possibly will work....

I dunno...just post ideas..majority dislikes the whole council idea...so alternatives can be posted x_X

... Not about Graal, doofiz. :/

[BinaryCrash]

Originally posted by Nemesis


Then the purpose is voided...yet a good reason will be given for that decision...It must be accurate...my feelings and hopes is that unixmad pulls forth and makes a site for classic players/staff and playerworld staff/players...so they can log in and do some kind of vote

Otherwise restricting voting to the forums, excludes those who do not have p2p account, but then again I see no other way of doing so...but the council should include players of playerworlds with xxx amount of hours on that server, and should of held an administration spot on the server...

Then again I really don't know how it'll be done, I just know it'll be done unless people have valid reasons to dispute it as you have placed here...but the fate is in unixmad's hands..we should all wait for that ...

then should disable new accounts (i mean created by today) to vote, so people wont start creating accounts to vote only

[zell12]

Nem is on the Phone
Anyway, its still a nice idea, but it should be incluided to the classic players as well, seeing as how its mainly going to affect them. But it still should be changed so that the GM is the head of the council and the GM bases the decisions off of the council which says the the meetings what the players think should happen.
Like here is an example, Unixmad and Stefan aren't on, and billy bob is starting rumors that so and so is quitting. The GP on duty would jail him Temparly while investigating the situation and then he would go to the classic representivite and tell him about it and whats going on, he was then call a meeting and him, the Gold Rep, Nem and Ibonic would talk it over.

Anyway, I was hoping something like that.

[James]

Originally posted by Valder
MESSAGE FROM ALKAREN!

From Alkaren Hyralt:
To Graal:

I find the whole concept to be inherntly flawed in the most extreme sense. The council will fail, because no one will all be on at the same time, and bias, hypocrisy, and corruption will rule it, rather than the good of Graal.

I highly disagree, if you pick the right members who are not biased it could and should work well.

[Valder]

Originally posted by James


I highly disagree, if you pick the right members who are not biased it could and should work well.

But we all know that's not going to happen :-/

[magicbud3344]

gah sorry to ask but....is this infact a ...Evil Council?

[Flamingblaze]

Originally posted by BinaryCrash


then should disable new accounts (i mean created by today) to vote, so people wont start creating accounts to vote only

No trial account voters ><

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

This council is extremely flawed, like I first posted, and Graal will be at the mercy of the mobs on Classic. I DON'T want Graal to be running the mob! You don't see how easy it is for them to go courrpt, especially when you're voting for who will be the most capable of carrying out the task. The only thing the council will do is ruin the game.

However, if this folly and stupid concept is implemented into Graal, I'll go out on a limb and be a hypocrite. I don't want the mob to run Graal, so I urge some of you mature people to try out and run for this council. It will be nothing but a big bureaucratic useless "decision making" ogilarchy, so we might as well fill it with smart people.

[Nemesis]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


I'm not sure if I'd be a good choice. I never play on Playerworlds or anything like that, and I don't really want the power. I took supermod on the forums because I post here and so logically I want to improve the place, but if I went for the council seat then it'd just be for the power.

That was probably one of the most honest things I've heard someone say on these forums....I applaud it and well it's good to know people aren't exactly out for positions on graal...Atleast reading that made me think more about more people who will benefit graal in a positive manner

[zell12]

Yes, it is something very rare Nemesis, I wish all the players would be like that and take after people like Kai, who set a little bit of an example to younger and/or older players.

[Flamingblaze]

Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
This council is extremely flawed, like I first posted, and Graal will be at the mercy of the mobs on Classic. I DON'T want Graal to be running the mob! You don't see how easy it is for them to go courrpt, especially when you're voting for who will be the most capable of carrying out the task. The only thing the council will do is ruin the game.

However, if this folly and stupid concept is implemented into Graal, I'll go out on a limb and be a hypocrite. I don't want the mob to run Graal, so I urge some of you mature people to try out and run for this council. It will be nothing but a big bureaucratic useless "decision making" ogilarchy, so we might as well fill it with smart people.

I don't want it period

[XxxxneosoftxxxX]

sorry but most the people that actually would want to do it, are probably just doing it for the power. Because any normal person, who wasn't a power hungry idiot, know how much work this will actually require.

[Tyhm]

"People generally get the sort of government they deserve."
"The people know what they want, and they deserve to get it good and hard."

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Originally posted by Tyhm
"People generally get the sort of government they deserve."
"The people know what they want, and they deserve to get it good and hard."

As a member of this society in which I have chosen to participate in, I thought we'd have a bit more autonomy in the decision that take place. When I say this it may sound a bit hypocritical (because of course the council "gives" us power) but it has the potential to fall into the hands of idiots. Unixmad never mentioned about how to remove a corrupt council member, one who serves the interest of only himself and his elitist values and the group he can relate for only. Therefore, I didn't "deserve" this government, nor did I want it, I perfered the laissez faire approach, things were going fine as they were.

And I don't know what Unixmad is planning, especially now that we have 5 gm's, how is the council going to dictate the grievances of the people to the GM's?

[James]

5 Game Masters...did I miss something?

[zell12]

Ibonic, Alk, Nem and Koni are the ones I know oh James... One and if nessary, two should have been the MAX. Any more and Unixmad is making a poor decision, or the Current GMs cannot do their job alone, and that Unixmad is making a bad decision. :O

[DragonX2]

When did Konidias become a GM?

[AlkarenHyralt]

koni is not a GM. There are only three. Myself, ibonic and nemesis

[zell12]

Alk, Koni is a GM.

[zell12]

Nemesis told me and Koni said this in that thread in the Graal2002 Main Board, about Harassment.
"I will be GM for 2k2 soon, and I will make sure that the rules are enforced well."

[Lyndzey]

My suggestion:

Stefan and unixmad are the "owners"
There is a Game Master who controls everything that stefan+unixmad are too busy to handle.
There are 2 managers, Classic Manager, and Gold Manager. The Classic Manager handles everything with Classic servers, while Gold handles Gold Servers.
The council is composed of people who are already high staff, such as Nemesis, myself, Agelaos, etc. This way, we wouldn't bring on more corrupt people. If someone here has a problem with the higher people, we can easily discuss it in our council or wiht are GM/M (Managers), and they will handle it.

[albus777]

Originally posted by Lyndzey
My suggestion:

Stefan and unixmad are the "owners"
There is a Game Master who controls everything that stefan+unixmad are too busy to handle.
There are 2 managers, Classic Manager, and Gold Manager. The Classic Manager handles everything with Classic servers, while Gold handles Gold Servers.
The council is composed of people who are already high staff, such as Nemesis, myself, Agelaos, etc. This way, we wouldn't bring on more corrupt people. If someone here has a problem with the higher people, we can easily discuss it in our council or wiht are GM/M (Managers), and they will handle it.

This sounds very good.

[zell12]

kinda what I was thinking cept im a fourteen year old and I can't talk right.