Time to revamp parties.

[papajchris]

As many people with staff experience know, RC can be a place where ideas go to die, and that should not happen!

So i hope this idea does not fall on deaf ears!

In my opinion parties and gangs need more of a purpose other than just taking over the healing room of some place...

I think it would be a cool idea to have party tournaments. Which I am going to talk to Akeon today and see if we can set something up.

Furthermore, i think it would be a cool idea if an ET or automatic system was created and made missions for gangs/parties.

These missions could include:

-Plant a bomb in BH's healing room
-Take over Era Mafia (or any random place)
-Defend Era Mafia
-Kill the BH leader (Defend him if your in BH)
-Control three points at once
-Kill 25 enemy gang members

etc..

I mixed some party and gang missions together, but do you get the point?

I'd also like to see a way for one gang to invite another gang to a gang war. What if the BH gang boss could create an invitation, by picking the level, number of players, time limit, and the mission, and then the other gang can either accept, deny, or alter the invitation and send it back. It'd be nice to see a legit gang battle with objectives other than running into BH and taking some room for no purpose.

In addition, i think it would be cool to somewhat steal the idea behind castle wars on UN, where gangs or parties can try and control a base; and the base is opened every 1/2 hour or so. It would be a little different such as having to hack a computer or plant and detonate a bomb.

Points would add up, (possibly to the same points you get via killing other gang members?), and you would get EC or maybe trophys?

[jkldogg]

Originally Posted by papajchris

burr

agree to everything

[WillaWonka]

Originally Posted by jkldogg

agree to everything

Ditto

[DirtySk8erballs]

Gangs are just going to make their own separate parties to compete in “party events“ so just focus on improving gangs.

[Crono]

mby something like taking over gang houses

mby instance them

mby have a boss

owait this sounds familiar :3

[Supaman771]

Yea do this because we haven't been complaining about gangs for months. Just make up some half-assed events for parties instead of fixing the gangs. Talk Akeon into doing things not under his job description because hes sooo busy working on gangs.

Yea, 'Just Do It'.

I love sarcasm...

[papajchris]

Originally Posted by DirtySk8erballs

Gangs are just going to make their own separate parties to compete in “party events“ so just focus on improving gangs.

im not really worried about that, while there may be a party that say consists of the top 5 people who dominate everyone, that could be an issue in any game (such as WOW that has arena mode). the reward shouldn't be the same as the gang prizes though..

@Rogue shush, i havent seen any valid fixes from you. In addition, Akeon is Gang admin and Events Team Admin, and if you can read you would know that my post refers to GANG (Part of his first title) EVENTS (Part of his second title).

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by papajchris

@Rogue shush, i havent seen any valid fixes from you. In addition, Akeon is Gang admin and Events Team Admin, and if you can read you would know that my post refers to GANG (Part of his first title) EVENTS (Part of his second title).

You're the one with the rights and job to fix things... not me. Now, what valid fixes have you made?
Thought so.

Oh and sorry... apparently I lack the intelligence to read, when I wrote that my entire previous post was sarcasm. If it wasn't obvious enough for you bro.

[papajchris]

Start getting a party together, hoping to announce some party tournament details soon

[defaultaccount]

partys should !!!become!!! gangs with exp levels n stuff, I don't think a system like that would be too much of a change, or hard to maintain / make at all


gangs are "repetitive."

Really, who wouldn't be bored of always raiding BH and it really only happening once in a blue moon. I mean ****, really rare do you see a whole day go by that not one raid happens.

There should be more variety.

Tighter nit forces, unlocking new player slots should be a Big. Deal. for the party's 'uprising'.

Multiple Base's being raided with a hell of alot more **** going on once in a while instead of resorting to parties attacking gang bases to make things more exciting, right?

Either way that sounds like alotta fun but I'ma just promote that a little more.

The middle ground being: keeping the current gangs and having parties able to become something like a 'smaller gang' to the regular gangs, and choose one of the 19 party base's all around gmap, unlocking more 'smaller gang' perks. so on to becoming a full gang. Like a long process, but making everything alot more worth while and rewarding to most of the stuff gangs take for granted. making the game more exciting imo, and being alot more going on.]

Most of all the good pkers would probally want to 'make' their own gang. So it would be spread out, as far as things being stacked. IDK kinda just again tossin that out there out of Context. mb, mb

[Donark]

Originally Posted by papajchris

@Rogue shush, i havent seen any valid fixes from you.

Are you HONESTLY calling him out on something he can't even do? That's the dumbest thing you could of said there. No **** he can't have any valid fixes... maybe that has something to do with HE DOESN'T WORK ON ERA? That's like telling your paper boy he's doing a bad job delivering pizzas.

[papajchris]

Donark he is more than capable of makin a thread and posting his ideas... Or so I hope.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by papajchris

Donark he is more than capable of makin a thread and posting his ideas... Or so I hope.

I cared and gave more than you know, and tried endlessly to be given a chance to improve from a development point. Which came to no avail because my relationships with certain people and certain things in my history.

I've made threads and posted ideas, 90% of my total posts are under this Era forum because I like it above all. And yet I sit here unable to login awaiting to see my blank inventory because some stupid reasons, and you think you know it all [about me]?

I don't even know how to combat such idiocy... how much did that PRA job cost you again?

[MontyPython]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

You're the one with the rights and job to fix things... not me. Now, what valid fixes have you made?
Thought so.

He's a PRA. He's got no rights nor is it his job to deal with anything in the development team's area of influence.

@ the OP:

This idea isn't close to being fully developed. Your solutions, while not all bad, really don't solve -anything- in terms of giving parties and gangs more purpose. You're offering a few mini-games to help gain some additional, completely worthless points. You're trying to apply a band-aid to a severed corpse.

EDIT: totally forgot you mentioned ECs/trophies. ECs - It may work, but I think since points are earned through core gameplay, they should be used for things that directly affect core gameplay. Unless you're biggest goal as a gangster is to finally get that Oboe so you can join a band and clean up your act.

Trophies - Useless aesthetics to contribute to bragging rights, or would each trophy actually do something? If they do nothing, instead of dealing with "We got ur base bb lol u guys suk" masses, instead we'd be presented with the "my trophy case is so much bigger than urs u fuking ***got get on my level" retorts. So I guess that's a plus. But I'd love for you to elaborate on what a trophy would be and what it would or wouldn't do. Then I could actually critique it properly.

The first thing you'll have to do is define what a party is, and then define what it should be. Rather than adding in some meaningless minigames that remind me of daily quests from MMOs, you need to rework the gang/gang points/party system entirely to give it purpose.

You complain that the only thing for parties to do is to raid EM with no real incentive. What will adding mini-games with points (points that have no value) do to alleviate this problem? This isn't the 80s or the early 90s, only a few people out there still will devote their time to meaningless numerical values anymore. They need more reason to keep playing, and I don't really blame them.

The gang system that Sales was creating would have fixed both the parties and the gang system. Points had values that could be used to purchase upgrades for the gang, and parties had the ability that if they stayed active enough they could turn into a gang. That's really the best, easiest solution to fixing the problem of stale gameplay right now. Sure, after we've gotten that system in place - that's when we can add in your mini-games for extra diversity in gaining points and progressing.

But until then, you're simply adding more hollow ways to enjoy an already hollow aspect of the game. You've got hollow diversity, but any way you look at it it's still hollow.

[Donark]

Originally Posted by papajchris

Donark he is more than capable of makin a thread and posting his ideas... Or so I hope.

I've seen Rogue post tons of ideas... It's not like staff will listen to any of them, and you can't expect players to be running the server.. hense why we have staff. Come up with your own ideas, thats what your there for. Don't go calling out players telling them that they're not helping Era, that's not there job.

[Demisis_P2P]

delete the current gangs forever. Seriously, why are they still around? They haven't been good for two years, people are just too scared to get rid of them, which makes about as much sense as not wanting to flush the toilet after a poo because you really enjoyed your lunch two days ago.

Parties could easily be expanded to make a better system than the current gang system.

[maximus_asinus]

I like that analogy Demisis.

[CharlieM]

Demisis is right, tbh the party system should get a GUI, more bases, and maybe have member count removed, then remove the gangs

I think it would help because no players wouldnt be running around for 5 months saying
"joining gang" and everyone ignoring them or shooting them down

[Eclipse]

i like that idea

[WillaWonka]

Remove Gangs, "revamp" parties so that they are more intuitive then just going around noob chasing and holding EM and getting angry that no one wants to fight. What should happen is, to both have settled parties, is to create a "Party" Store where each person's kills (Kinda like the halloween killing going on now) is counted as a currency and each member can buy individual things to perk their party or they combine their currency to buy a overall party perk, like everyone has 1.13 speed or 140hp, etc, but keep in mind desirability without overdoing and making the party unfair compared to others, having a gun with .05 freeze is enough of a unfair competition out there.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by CharlieM

I think it would help because no players wouldnt be running around for 5 months saying
"joining gang" and everyone ignoring them or shooting them down

Maybe they should earn their place then. When I ran around gangless, I was getting PM's begging me to join gangs, I'd usually start with recruiter rights then either leave or be co-leader within the day. And to be totally honest I'm not even that good...

So... if you can't manage to join a gang at this point where they have no limit or purpose, you should start playing another game.

Originally Posted by WillaWonka

Ideas*

It's all been said before, multiple times by multiple people. Every idea in the book has been posted on these forums. And nothing has changed in years...

[CharlieM]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

Maybe they should earn their place then. When I ran around gangless, I was getting PM's begging me to join gangs, I'd usually start with recruiter rights then either leave or be co-leader within the day. And to be totally honest I'm not even that good...

So... if you can't manage to join a gang at this point where they have no limit or purpose, you should start playing another game.

yes but you had good guns and played for awhhile im talking about the actual newbs who just start

[WillaWonka]

I get in gangs ez but terrible at raiding, im better at sparring, there should be some sort of spar partys... that would be interesting.

[defaultaccount]

Originally Posted by CharlieM

yes but you had good guns and played for awhhile im talking about the actual newbs who just start

It's not like anyone new is going to be able to learn how to play the game unless they play with shty guns for a while to start out. Or-you end up with a bunch of lag laming, and people who never really learned how to play the game that well anyways. Newer people will just learn how to lame like what they see or be unable to get far in the game anyways because of that. Either way, do that type of stuff.

I'm saying that everything on Era should have to gradually work its way up to get the full worth out of what they do got and take for granted.

Kinda like HP levels, but for gangs. Parties to Gangs to Large Gangs? I think this would also be a self balancing system as far as how good they are at the game (Skill wise). Everyone playing Era could at least raid, or be in a party / gang. Play the game once n a while.

[CharlieM]

okay not what I was saying, I mean't with good guns any gang would usually let you in.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by CharlieM

yes but you had good guns and played for awhhile im talking about the actual newbs who just start

Originally Posted by CharlieM

okay not what I was saying, I mean't with good guns any gang would usually let you in.

It still was not hard at all to get into a gang when they actually had a purpose and everyone used an AK... You just had to be decent and have a name.

Gangs now are 'dead'.

The main point being that gangs are dead. Why would you even want to join? What does 'rejected from a gang' have to do with the system?

Analogy: You want them to change [remove] the game of kickball because you got picked last because you're not good at it?

Also: Guns != Skill

how2getpointacross... c.c

[defaultaccount]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

It still was not hard at all to get into a gang when they actually had a purpose and everyone used an AK... You just had to be decent and have a name.

Gangs now are 'dead'.

The main point being that gangs are dead. Why would you even want to join? What does 'rejected from a gang' have to do with the system?

Analogy: You want them to change [remove] the game of kickball because you got picked last because you're not good at it?

Also: Guns != Skill

how2getpointacross... c.c

Read my last post tho.

[papajchris]

Bump i still think my original idea, and some others mentioned in this should be seen by management

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by MontyPython

The gang system that Sales was creating would have fixed both the parties and the gang system. Points had values that could be used to purchase upgrades for the gang, and parties had the ability that if they stayed active enough they could turn into a gang. That's really the best, easiest solution to fixing the problem of stale gameplay right now. Sure, after we've gotten that system in place - that's when we can add in your mini-games for extra diversity in gaining points and progressing.

/thread

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by papajchris

As many people with staff experience know, RC can be a place where ideas go to die, and that should not happen!

So i hope this idea does not fall on deaf ears!

In my opinion parties and gangs need more of a purpose other than just taking over the healing room of some place...

I think it would be a cool idea to have party tournaments. Which I am going to talk to Akeon today and see if we can set something up.

Furthermore, i think it would be a cool idea if an ET or automatic system was created and made missions for gangs/parties.

These missions could include:

-Plant a bomb in BH's healing room
-Take over Era Mafia (or any random place)
-Defend Era Mafia
-Kill the BH leader (Defend him if your in BH)
-Control three points at once
-Kill 25 enemy gang members

etc..

I mixed some party and gang missions together, but do you get the point?

I'd also like to see a way for one gang to invite another gang to a gang war. What if the BH gang boss could create an invitation, by picking the level, number of players, time limit, and the mission, and then the other gang can either accept, deny, or alter the invitation and send it back. It'd be nice to see a legit gang battle with objectives other than running into BH and taking some room for no purpose.

In addition, i think it would be cool to somewhat steal the idea behind castle wars on UN, where gangs or parties can try and control a base; and the base is opened every 1/2 hour or so. It would be a little different such as having to hack a computer or plant and detonate a bomb.

Points would add up, (possibly to the same points you get via killing other gang members?), and you would get EC or maybe trophys?

akeon is no longer staff..if u have these ideas re-aply for staff and make them work, they won't listen otherwise (staff on era RARELY listen to player's ideas cuz they think they know better)
i love the gang-invite for an event idea cuz nobody can ever be bothered to host gang events even if they have the rights to do it and i repeat that senoir ET gang members should be able to host events so we could have them every day

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

delete the current gangs forever. Seriously, why are they still around? They haven't been good for two years, people are just too scared to get rid of them, which makes about as much sense as not wanting to flush the toilet after a poo because you really enjoyed your lunch two days ago.

Parties could easily be expanded to make a better system than the current gang system.

you dont play era, how do you know?? decent street pk is dead, events get boring cuz theyre always the same ones what do u do other than sparring? gangs r working fine there should only be more events

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

you dont play era, how do you know?? decent street pk is dead, events get boring cuz theyre always the same ones what do u do other than sparring? gangs r working fine there should only be more events

No you don't play Era.