auto indent code in RC

[Mark Sir Link]

on apply can we PLEASE auto indent the code.

[zokemon]

That's a horrible idea.
Somethings would get indented all wrong such as large arrays on multiple lines.

I always do all my indenting by hand.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

on apply can we PLEASE auto indent the code.

Do it by hand like very other (experienced) coder.

Coders have their own style and automatic formatting would ruin it.

[cbk1994]

Definitely do it by hand. That's how basically everyone does it, even most IDEs for professional programming languages don't do it.

Just /style weapon WEAPONLOL in RC if you want ...

[DustyPorViva]

Ya, I was about to say isn't there already a command to style a weapon?
I used to rely heavily on Graal's default styler in the editor, but I got used to doing it by hand in RC. It is a pain when you add in something and you have to go through a bunch of lines indenting them properly though.

[Twinny]

So hard to press tab :'(

There is also the /style command for lazy people.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

Definitely do it by hand. That's how basically everyone does it, even most IDEs for professional programming languages don't do it.

Just /style weapon WEAPONLOL in RC if you want ...

you'll have to show me these IDEs as most I've used do all indenting for you and even close off any brackets you open.

and I know about /style, the question is why is this necessary when the functionality exists and could be done automatically if players checked an option?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

you'll have to show me these IDEs as most I've used do all indenting for you and even close off any brackets you open.

and I know about /style, the question is why is this necessary when the functionality exists and could be done automatically if players checked an option?

Because it is bad practice?

And I guess you need to look at more IDEs? Netbeans, Eclipse, fairly certain Visual Studio doesn't.

Graal does what any IDE does, which is keep you on the same indent. /style IS for lazy people, and it doesn't even work that well.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

Because it is bad practice?

And I guess you need to look at more IDEs? Netbeans, Eclipse, fairly certain Visual Studio doesn't.

Graal does what any IDE does, which is keep you on the same indent. /style IS for lazy people, and it doesn't even work that well.

Netbeans definitely does and closes any brackets you open, so again, what IDE does not auto indent.

Microsoft visual and eclipse also auto indent so you've lost me

[Inverness]

Stop whining because the editor doesn't do everything for you.

Adding auto-bracketing is waste of Stefan's time.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Stop whining because the editor doesn't do everything for you.

Adding auto-bracketing is waste of Stefan's time.

It already exists so again I don't see your point. It would just be nice if it's usage could be a little easier.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

Netbeans definitely does and closes any brackets you open, so again, what IDE does not auto indent.

Microsoft visual and eclipse also auto indent so you've lost me

I'm sorry, I guess I just forgot that auto-indent, and auto-bracket are exactly the same thing.

Silly me.

[Mark Sir Link]

if you want to argue semantics, we'll get to the base point that netbeans is a compiler for the mildly retarded. You brought netbeans up, putting you in that category.

Given it's a compiler that will make GUIs for you, it'd be a safe bet (actually, it's true) that it auto-indents.

That more satisfactory for you?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

if you want to argue semantics, we'll get to the base point that netbeans is a compiler for the mildly retarded. You brought netbeans up, putting you in that category.

Really? So this means that whatever I mention, I am?
I believe that monkeys are bad. If you so much as mention the word 'monkey', I will consider you bad.

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

Given it's a compiler that will make GUIs for you, it'd be a safe bet (actually, it's true) that it auto-indents.

Yes, if you change the settings so that it does this z.z

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

That more satisfactory for you?

Nope, better luck next time.

[Mark Sir Link]

let's put all this aside

This forum is a place for suggestions. I made my suggestions

I'm therefore confused as to why some part of the playerbase has convinced themselves that they are responsible for implementing such suggestions.

[Inverness]

You make it sound like suggestions that many dislike will be implemented.

This forum is also for discussing suggestions, like what we're doing right now.

[Mark Sir Link]

Future Improvements (4 Viewing)
Let the ideas flow freely

I don't see anything about discussion, and being so adamant about not including a checkbox seems more like "whining" to me then what I suggested.

[Inverness]

Because people new to scripting should not rely on such a feature as having their entire code automatically formated on apply. You're even too lazy to use the /style command. Also you should realize Stefan is the only one who can update the external RC code and that would be a waste of time.

If you want it to bad ask Skyld to add it to the scripted RC, then people will never learn how to type readable code.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Because people new to scripting should not rely on such a feature as having their entire code automatically formated on apply. You're even too lazy to use the /style command. Also you should realize Stefan is the only one who can update the external RC code and that would be a waste of time.

If you want it to bad ask Skyld to add it to the scripted RC, then people will never learn how to type readable code.

Well said.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Because people new to scripting should not rely on such a feature as having their entire code automatically formated on apply.

It'd be irresponsible to call me new to scripting, and again, I've yet to see a compiler that doesn't auto-indent.

You're even too lazy to use the /style command. Also you should realize Stefan is the only one who can update the external RC code and that would be a waste of time.

yes god forbid someone not want to waste their time for something that could be implemented in a much better fashion then it currently is.

And oh ****, I already knew Stefan is the only one who could update the code because I would have A.) done it myself already or B.) asked for assistance from the general population in doing so rather than coming to the game's official forum and asking the staff to do so (I mean, it's kind of implied since it's Future improvements and the last time I checked, players != official staff).

If you want it to bad ask Skyld to add it to the scripted RC, then people will never learn how to type readable code.

It's not that difficult to hit tab or space a few times but really, why do that when it's unnecessary? That's like saying why bother with matches, we have a flint and tender already. Or maybe, why bother with cars, horses were put on this planet already.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

It'd be irresponsible to call me new to scripting, and again, I've yet to see a compiler that doesn't auto-indent.

When I started learning Java I turned off the Auto-bracketing because it irritated me.

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

asked for assistance from the general population in doing so rather than coming to the game's official forum and asking the staff to do so (I mean, it's kind of implied since it's Future improvements and the last time I checked, players != official staff).

Whats the point? Its already been made clear Stefan is the only one who can do it. Don't bother trying to convince other global staff to convince Stefan.

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

It's not that difficult to hit tab or space a few times but really, why do that when it's unnecessary? That's like saying why bother with matches, we have a flint and tender already. Or maybe, why bother with cars, horses were put on this planet already.

The difference between a car and a horse is far greater than the difference between formatting your code properly by habit and having it done for you automatically.

After having made such a bad comparison I think you're just whining because you're too lazy to indent code yourself.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Inverness

When I started learning Java I turned off the Auto-bracketing because it irritated me.

ok.

Whats the point? Its already been made clear Stefan is the only one who can do it. Don't bother trying to convince other global staff to convince Stefan.

I don't see how I'm trying to convince them. Unless you know of another place where I can suggest things to Stefan, I'll continue to use this forum thanks.

The difference between a car and a horse is far greater than the difference between formatting your code properly by habit and having it done for you automatically.

I don't think you get the point that he has already implemented it to some extent so there is no reason to not make it more user friendly/better just because people are able to manually indent.

After having made such a bad comparison I think you're just whining because you're too lazy to indent code yourself.

again, you've missed the crux of the comparison.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

I don't think you get the point that he has already implemented it to some extent so there is no reason to not make it more user friendly/better just because people are able to manually indent.

Because he has more important things to do than add something that only takes seconds overall to do on your own.

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

again, you've missed the crux of the comparison.

Probably, you actually compared the difference between cars and horses to this auto-indenting feature, thats distracting enough for me.

Auto-adding brackets and stuff is a nice little thing that I don't mind as long as its optional so I can turn it off.

But auto-formatting your whole code for you is something that is in no way needed and this is what I think you want. If I'm misunderstanding you then speak up.

I don't want people to be able to type the crappy (but functional) code into RC and have it work fine after hitting apply, that is promoting a BAD HABIT.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Because he has more important things to do than add something that only takes seconds overall to do on your own.Probably, you actually compared the difference between cars and horses to this auto-indenting feature, thats distracting enough for me.

Auto-adding brackets and stuff is a nice little thing that I don't mind as long as its optional so I can turn it off.

But auto-formatting your whole code for you is something that is in no way needed and this is what I think you want. If I'm misunderstanding you then speak up.

I don't want people to be able to type the crappy (but functional) code into RC and have it work fine after hitting apply, that is promoting a BAD HABIT.

How is auto-adding brackets any different then auto indenting? both are features of conveinence

I don't get how you're suggesting auto indentation will make bad code any better, all it is is adding a few spaces. You've only lead me to confusion now.

It's not like allowing auto indentation will make good code bad either.

So again, you've confused me entirely.

[Programmer]

This is a good idea, since I prefer to use auto-indent when I work with jEdit, primarily because I don't like to go and indent my own code. jEdit indents after every {, (, and [.

[Inverness]

I'm saying auto-formatting, like having your entire code compressed into one line and then being able to use auto-format to expand it into something that looks more readable. (i.e. /style)

If you just mean indenting after brackets and the like then thats not bad.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Inverness

If you just mean indenting after brackets and the like then thats not bad.

exactly.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

exactly.

Did you think about telling us this in the first place?

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

on apply can we PLEASE auto indent the code.

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[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

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I thought you meant something entirely different.

Still, you should be doing it anyway.

[Inverness]

Not an apply, it should do it as you type x.x

[Admins]

It could be interesting to add a button like in the offline editor for "styling" the script (apply, /style, reload), may be Skyld could add that It could also be interesting to give options to /style instead of using the server-side style options.

[Twinny]

If it doesn't auto-indent as you type then screw it. I couldn't read what i just wrote if I didn't indent it

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Stefan

It could be interesting to add a button like in the offline editor for "styling" the script (apply, /style, reload), may be Skyld could add that It could also be interesting to give options to /style instead of using the server-side style options.

I suggested this right after scripted RC was released, and he said he would, but he has not yet.