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Originally posted by draygin
No I said from what I had seen so far was crap. I didnt say all the kingdoms where the same.
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Here's where semantics are important. When you say "From" something, you are saying you are making a judgement based upon a certain fact, thus you are saying that you are judging all kingdoms based on the one. The other possibility is that you worded it improperly, and merely meant to say that same sentence but without the 'from' (i.e. 'what I had seen so far was crap'). Regardless, I've already said that they'll be fine.
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From what I've been hearing from Staff it will be Staff that are made leaders of various kingdoms. I'm rather curious as to what players submitted these kingdoms and names? If you're referring to people giving ideas for types of kingdoms that really isnt a player submitted kingdom assuming thats what you're referring to.
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First, a kingdom leader may be staff, but it's not like there's a big deal (Note that staff works on the dev server, not 2k1 per se). The majority of kingdom leaders are normal players.
What players? Anyone was allowed to submit a kingdom idea, and 5 people voted on the final kingdoms. In the two cases that one of the people who submitted a kingdom was also a member of the panel, that person did not get to vote on that kingdom.
And how the hell is submitting a kingdom idea, and then overseeing its development, different from submitting a kingdom? I'd like to know.
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Not to mention doing decendants of any previous kingdoms is a bad idea because it will lead to the same old stale stereotypes and RP's. I also hear some one was trying to use old dustari levels but from what I heard that was snuffed but the kingdom in question is basically a remake of dustari from what I've been hearing.
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No, old dustari levels were
never even in consideration. That was the whole thing about new kingdoms - no old levels.
Sure, there would be stereotypes, but as the kingdoms do happen to be new, and different, and have different attitudes, it won't be 'same old stale stereotypes and RPs'.
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Regardless of if all kingdoms levels are being made by different people that doesnt mean one that is crap should be allowed.
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Whoever said that a 'crap kingdom' would be allowed? If the levels are not up to par, they will be reworked until they are.
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Having entire kingdoms just layed out and putting people in is still a bad idea. You could easily have loads of RP's set up if you just started off with a couple of levels for each kingdom and then had them RP with construction workers or so.
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True, and to some extent the kingdom levels will be under-construction when they are first out.
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Also putting all your eggs in a basket and saying this is what will bring 2k1 back isnt a good move either. Because sure it might work for a while but then it can just as easily drop down again. Hopfully you guys have it planned out to stop that.
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Actually, if you haven't noticed from all the posts, the only people who really play right now are the hardcore moneymakers/powergamers/etc, most RPers who would play, don't play because the kingdoms aren't out yet.
So, when the kingdoms come out, we're also shooting to release a few other things simultaneously (and other stuff in the successive weeks).
So, to summarize, we're not 'putting all our eggs in one basket', it's merely a fact that most people will be coming back upon the release of kingdoms, and that we have other stuff planned to keep them there.
09-28-2003, 09:24 PM
2k1 had a history of high standards I'd appreciate it if these standards didnt go down the crapper with it going classic.
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