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Pir · #1 06-19-2002, 01:04 AM

I have come across a dilema. we are making the shied usable with pretty much all weapons. but there is a problem with the attacks that use two hands. my idea was to make it so the shield is on the player's back, but there is no time to show another gani of the player putting the shield on the back and such.

so, should it just dissappear or just appear on the player's back?

Ghost Pirate · #2 06-19-2002, 01:05 AM

Oh yes go ahead and post this in main and not in 2002 suggestions

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #3 06-19-2002, 01:05 AM

Well, having it just appear on his back sucks

There has to be the exact same gani when you draw your sword that puts the shield on your back.

Spark910 · #4 06-19-2002, 01:06 AM

Thats on NW! =( (Annoyed Another Idea Used)
Hmm Well If you dont got time for Gani then the answer is just on back,

Pir · #5 06-19-2002, 01:07 AM

ghostie, a mod can move it if neccasary.

see, thats the problem, just appearing on the back would look dumb, i could make it so he through it you throw it on the ground, but you'd have to pick it up after each two handed attack

Pir · #6 06-19-2002, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by Spark910
Thats on NW! =( (Annoyed Another Idea Used)
Hmm Well If you dont got time for Gani then the answer is just on back,

1) Didn't know
2) Shields dont fit in pockets so where else would it go?

Ghost Pirate · #7 06-19-2002, 01:13 AM

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Originally posted by Pir

1) Didn't know
2) Shields dont fit in pockets so where else would it go?

They fit in bottomless bags

how can a full sized axe fit in a pocket?
or sword for that matter?

DragonX2 · #8 06-19-2002, 01:14 AM

I would like my sword to be at my side in a sheath (sp?) and my shield on my back.

Pir · #9 06-19-2002, 01:16 AM

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Originally posted by Ghost Pirate

They fit in bottomless bags

how can a full sized axe fit in a pocket?
or sword for that matter?

we're working on it, soon they wont be bottomless. and im going to talk to stefan about quivers, sheathes, etc etc

feivel · #10 06-19-2002, 01:17 AM

You mean two handed sword attacks,
simple,
someone carrying a shield will not use two handed sword attack unless they manually throw there shield away,
someone without a shield will be able too,
why do you think Samurai do two handed sword attacks,
they dont have shield, they have armor.

Pir · #11 06-19-2002, 01:19 AM

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Originally posted by feivel
You mean two handed sword attacks,
simple,
someone carrying a shield will not use two handed sword attack unless they manually throw there shield away,
someone without a shield will be able too,
why do you think Samurai do two handed sword attacks,
they dont have shield, they have armor.

yeah but people dont want to loose their shields just to do a stronger attack

Ghost Pirate · #12 06-19-2002, 01:20 AM

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Originally posted by Pir

yeah but people dont want to loose their shields just to do a stronger attack

A eye for a eye!

Pir · #13 06-19-2002, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by Ghost Pirate

A eye for a eye!

i like to keep my eyes, and teeth.

DragonX2 · #14 06-19-2002, 02:24 AM

The chests in buildings should be usable by the players. Let us open them and put our items in there and you can make different kinds of locks that can break (harder locks can be made but with more material) and you need like a certain type of weapon to destroy it. A wooden lock could be broken with any weapon, metal with swords, a diamond with ice arrows or something, etc. So we can put stuff away and not carry so much weight around, like it? XD

Pir · #15 06-19-2002, 02:35 AM

i like it, therer'd be massive theivery and complaining, but people woud get over it.

BlKnight · #16 06-19-2002, 03:03 AM

Don't mke shields availible for all weapons! That'd be stupid, just amke the two handed weapons and stuff better. I mean who ever heard of a dagger and a shield or something?

Or at least make like the shield that up 25% of your endurance.

Tyhm · #17 06-19-2002, 03:24 AM

I like the bottomless bags, I just think they need to actually slow you down. That way you can have heavy and slow merchants and blacksmiths guarded by knights in cumbersome armor verses light and nimble thieves who have nothing, and therefore nothing to lose...

DragonX2 · #18 06-19-2002, 03:48 AM

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Originally posted by Tyhm
I like the bottomless bags, I just think they need to actually slow you down. That way you can have heavy and slow merchants and blacksmiths guarded by knights in cumbersome armor verses light and nimble thieves who have nothing, and therefore nothing to lose...

You don't like my idea though

Neonight · #19 06-19-2002, 04:03 AM

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Originally posted by Spark910
Thats on NW! =( (Annoyed Another Idea Used)
Hmm Well If you dont got time for Gani then the answer is just on back,

You don't work on NewWorld, do you?

Besides, that's kind of like saying "!! YOU BREATHED! YOU STOLE MY IDEA TO LIVE!"

Ghost Pirate · #20 06-19-2002, 04:24 AM

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Originally posted by Neonight

You don't work on NewWorld, do you?

Besides, that's kind of like saying "!! YOU BREATHED! YOU STOLE MY IDEA TO LIVE!"

he must really be trying

the sad thing is

How do people get these ideas?
because they are most of the time already there...in the real world

Its like going on one game and saying
OMFG YOU STOLE MY SWORD IDEA
OMFG YOU STOLE MY IDEA OF ARMOR
OMFG YOU STOLE MY IDEA OF HAVING IDEAS! aswell

Neonight · #21 06-19-2002, 04:27 AM

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Originally posted by Ghost Pirate

he must really be trying

the sad thing is

How do people get these ideas?
because they are most of the time already there...in the real world

Its like going on one game and saying
OMFG YOU STOLE MY SWORD IDEA
OMFG YOU STOLE MY IDEA OF ARMOR
OMFG YOU STOLE MY IDEA OF HAVING IDEAS!

Is that not what I just said?

Ghost Pirate · #22 06-19-2002, 04:28 AM

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Originally posted by Neonight

Is that not what I just said?

No you didn't smuggle bunny =)

You said real life

I said games

=)

We can just say we had the same idea =X

I also wanted to add more examples

Pir · #23 06-19-2002, 05:29 AM

i like bottomless bags its fun, and we are having a wieght system :-P dont worry

and i've decided not to make all the weapons useable with the shields, i just gotta ask stefan.

haunter · #24 06-19-2002, 05:57 AM

I think there should be an Item storage system, like a trunk or something. except it's seperate for each person, so no one can steal from you trunk, and as for two handed attacks, If you have a shield, you can't do them, simple as that.

BlKnight · #25 06-19-2002, 07:24 AM

Same with dagger, make it take up both hands (though obviously not weilded with two hands) but in turn make them stronger than swords so they can actually be used for assassination.

Tyhm · #26 06-19-2002, 11:40 PM

I'd prefer Daggers Akimbo. As has already been successfully argued, a bigger sword moves slower and does more damage - unless you're living in some bizzarre hypothetical-world where every dagger hit goes directly through your heart and every sword hit glances off your shoulder.

Pir · #27 06-20-2002, 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by Tyhm
I'd prefer Daggers Akimbo. As has already been successfully argued, a bigger sword moves slower and does more damage - unless you're living in some bizzarre hypothetical-world where every dagger hit goes directly through your heart and every sword hit glances off your shoulder.

same here, not hard to make the ganis, or script the attacks

BlKnight · #28 06-20-2002, 02:46 AM

Daggers Akimo?

Oh and yes Thymme that magical world where all posined daggers hit through the heart shoudl abotu right. Since you ca use shields with swords. It would be pretty stupid to have daggers do little damage and not allow shields. And having them do more damage is more practical than letting them use a shield.

Tyhm · #29 06-20-2002, 03:28 AM

Nee. They can't do more damage - they should be cheaper, or faster, or (my preference) level faster than swords. A newbie strike with a dagger is weaker than a newbie strike with a sword (don't bring a knife to a swordfight), but in the hands of a master assassin, you're lucky to survive the first attack

BlKnight · #30 06-20-2002, 04:00 AM

Well I am ok with this if there can be posinos only for daggers. Maybe they could be really expensive so only a assassination of dukes or kings or herectic rebel leaders would warrant it.

Also dagger are different than knives! Knives are maybe 6'' right? While daggers can be anywhere from 12 to 18''.

Tyhm · #31 06-20-2002, 04:42 AM

Um, no...a dagger that's a foot and a half long is called a Short Sword.

BlKnight · #32 06-20-2002, 05:37 AM

Umm no...swords were pretty damn long Tyhm....a short sword would maybe be three feat or more. A knife is around 6 inches maybe. A tanto is a sgort dagger maybe 8-10 inches or more. A dagger is a dagger...whic are pretty long...I've never seen a dagger at my dojo or at museums (not only oriental museums, lots from many time peroids and places) that was less than a foot a a few inches...although I have seen them as small as 11' in websites.

haunter · #33 06-20-2002, 06:08 AM

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Originally posted by BlKnight
Umm no...swords were pretty damn long Tyhm....a short sword would maybe be three feat or more. A knife is around 6 inches maybe. A tanto is a sgort dagger maybe 8-10 inches or more. A dagger is a dagger...whic are pretty long...I've never seen a dagger at my dojo or at museums (not only oriental museums, lots from many time peroids and places) that was less than a foot a a few inches...although I have seen them as small as 11' in websites.

I have a knife in my kitchen that's like 3". Does that mean it's not a knife?

Pir · #34 06-20-2002, 06:18 AM

why the hell does it matter? me stefan or er1c pick the names....not you guys

screw all the scientific historic mumbo jumbo

haunter · #35 06-20-2002, 06:29 AM

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Originally posted by Pir
why the hell does it matter? me stefan or er1c pick the names....not you guys

screw all the scientific historic mumbo jumbo

Call it a... Harrypoterroxsharpthing

Tyhm · #36 06-20-2002, 08:31 PM

WHAT THE HELL? 11 foot swords?!?

Yeah, your average sword is 3-4 foot, your average short sword is 1.5-2, counting blade length here. If our daggers are too short to be daggers, then call them knives and have done with - daggers just sound better. You can't possibly expect me to believe that the Nail Dagger is a foot long...

Pir · #37 06-20-2002, 08:42 PM

in graal size doesnt matter, blknight or whatever should stop trying to make everything too realistic.

BlKnight · #38 06-21-2002, 02:42 AM

Tell that to Tyhm than too. He said that it was unrealistic that daggers do more damage than they do now. I said it isn't and supproted it with real life examples. Please read all the messages Pir if you must comment on a matter that in no way affects the actual stuff that happens on the server.

Tyhm · #39 06-21-2002, 03:19 AM

Um, no you didn't dude...you said that a stab through the heart with a poisoned dagger wielded by an expert assassin would do more damage than a clumsy sword swing, which I agree, but it's not even remotely a fair comparison.

A slash with a normal sword verses a slash with a normal dagger, the normal sword does more damage.
A stab with a normal sword verses a stab with a normal dagger, the normal sword does more damage.

If you refuse to make fair comparisons, your arguments are null and void.

BlKnight · #40 06-21-2002, 03:55 AM

The current thing I am debating is that you as well are trying to argue my suggestions using real life examples (ie. swords in real life do more damage than daggers) while Pir told only me to stop doing so.