Which playlist do you use? (v5)

Crono · #1 08-08-2010, 03:58 AM

Do you use the in-game playerlist (scripted, blue, etc) or the normal playlist (default old one, external)?

Demisis_P2P · #2 08-08-2010, 04:36 AM

in-game

Luda · #3 08-08-2010, 04:39 AM

Normal

Deas_Voice · #4 08-08-2010, 04:41 AM

i use ingame playerlist because im semi-forced to it, you learn to like it more then the external one.

cbk1994 · #5 08-08-2010, 04:41 AM

Normal. The scripted one is atrocious compared to it.

oo_jazz_oo · #6 08-08-2010, 04:52 AM

I can't get myself to use the in-game playerlist...

I tell myself I'll give it a try, but then I start using it, and then I get depressed because its so hideous...

The head icons don't work, the 'Options' button opens the mass message window...status doesn't work...

Why can't we just use the external and be happy? :[

nullify · #7 08-08-2010, 05:18 AM

Or why can't the internal one not be so horrid?

Tigairius · #8 08-08-2010, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by oo_jazz_oo

I can't get myself to use the in-game playerlist...

I tell myself I'll give it a try, but then I start using it, and then I get depressed because its so hideous...

The head icons don't work, the 'Options' button opens the mass message window...status doesn't work...

Why can't we just use the external and be happy? :[

Options menu is only for v6 users.

Also, the playerlist has currently been redesigned to work in v6. Not really worrying about how it looks/works in v5.

nullify · #9 08-08-2010, 05:29 AM

That's a logical thing to do, considering the amount of people that use V5.

kia345 · #10 08-08-2010, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

Normal. The scripted one is atrocious compared to it.

My in-game playerlist looks beautiful, you guys are silly

LoneAngelIbesu · #11 08-08-2010, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kia345

My in-game playerlist looks beautiful, you guys are silly

If you're not joking, we might have just agreed on something.

I don't use the external playerlist because I think it looks ugly; it doesn't mesh with OS UIs. Also, the PM windows are scripted. Why use an external tool when every other facet of that tool besides the list of players is internal?

Demisis_P2P · #12 08-08-2010, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kia345

My in-game playerlist looks beautiful, you guys are silly

Mine too man. Don't know why anybody would stick with the default blue theme when there are so many other themes available.

oo_jazz_oo · #13 08-08-2010, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Mine too man. Don't know why anybody would stick with the default blue theme when there are so many other themes available.

I can't find any themes to match my OS.

I have one thats...kinda similar, but its still ugly.
When the external windows are released, I really need to find a theme to match my actual windows on my computer. XD

But, I havn't been able to find one. ;_;

fowlplay4 · #14 08-08-2010, 06:44 AM

RC Playerlist.

Elizabeth · #15 08-08-2010, 06:51 AM

external

Hiro · #16 08-08-2010, 07:18 AM

external

DrakilorP2P · #17 08-08-2010, 10:35 AM

The scripted playerlist have a Mass PM button that I don't think the external playerlist has.

xXziroXx · #18 08-08-2010, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DrakilorP2P

The scripted playerlist have a Mass PM button that I don't think the external playerlist has.

So much easier/better to just highlight all the people you want to send a mass too, and let's you choose who you want to send it too!

cbk1994 · #19 08-08-2010, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

So much easier/better to just highlight all the people you want to send a mass too, and let's you choose who you want to send it too!

You can do this with the scripted one, at least on v6.

kia345 · #20 08-08-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

at least on v6.

Why is this even relevant to the topic if not everyone is using it?

Rufus · #21 08-08-2010, 05:39 PM

I haven't found a single theme that skins CORRECTLY on the in-game playerlist. They are always look glitchy and crappy, but it's not as though I use it anyway.

Sky · #22 08-08-2010, 05:58 PM

The in-game on is visually ugly and it takes up my precious graal screen. Why wouldn't I use the external one? o-o

kia345 · #23 08-08-2010, 06:47 PM

Everyone doesn't play in fullscreen?

Crono · #24 08-08-2010, 06:52 PM

From a pure UI&D perspective the scripted one is inferior to the external one. Just saying.

DustyPorViva · #25 08-08-2010, 06:57 PM

External. Even with v6 the playerlist is more of a chore to manage than anything, such as not coming into focus with the Graal window, not remembering its positions, PM windows popping at the mouse...

It'd be cool if the internal playerlist could be docked IN the Graal window so that it doesn't obscure the gameplay, and yet doesn't hang outside the Graal window.

LoneAngelIbesu · #26 08-08-2010, 07:07 PM

This topic is too old and wrinkly.

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Originally Posted by Crono

From a pure UI&D perspective the scripted one is inferior to the external one. Just saying.

If UI&D means 'user interface & design', you couldn't be more wrong.

BigBear3 · #27 08-08-2010, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

Normal. The scripted one is atrocious compared to it.

Agreed.

cbk1994 · #28 08-08-2010, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

It'd be cool if the internal playerlist could be docked IN the Graal window so that it doesn't obscure the gameplay, and yet doesn't hang outside the Graal window.

This would be great.

Crono · #29 08-08-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

If UI&D means 'user interface & design', you couldn't be more wrong.

How am I wrong? The blue GUI makes the text harder to read (blue text on blue background is a huge no-no), the tabs are less differentiated, and from a performance perspective it is slightly less responsive due to the lowered FPS.

Sure you can choose different skins to solve the first problem but the other two are still there. The scripted playerlist's only redeeming quality is that it displays heads regardless of what server you're on.

cyan3 · #30 08-08-2010, 08:33 PM

On Linux I use the scripted playerlist but only because I have no choice and the external playerlist on Windows but I rarely play Graal on Windows.

TheRuckus · #31 08-08-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

RC Playerlist.

Yep did look the best and still does.

kia345 · #32 08-08-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

tabs

The only time I've ever even used the tabs is when I accidentally clicked one.

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The scripted playerlist's only redeeming quality is that it displays heads regardless of what server you're on.

And the theme can be applied to make it contrast less with everything else. The external one is an eyesore because you can't not look at it, it's just another active window to take up space. The scripted one can be given a smooth skin and then shrunk down so it's out of the way. Plus, you can get rid of the ugly PM bubbles and use nice ones from your state (sprites?) image.

LoneAngelIbesu · #33 08-08-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

So much easier/better to just highlight all the people you want to send a mass too, and let's you choose who you want to send it too!

Unless it's not doing what it's saying, you can highlight people on the in-game playerlist, right-click, and 'Open PM'. The PM windows show up with the heading 'Message to Selected'.

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Originally Posted by Crono

How am I wrong?

The external playerlist delivers internal content. That is not good UI design. It shouldn't be disconnected; either all of it is external or all of it is internal.

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Originally Posted by Crono

The blue GUI makes the text harder to read (blue text on blue background is a huge no-no)

It doesn't make it hard to read at all. The text is magnitudes lighter than the background. In fact, if it were any other color than light blue, it would be more difficult to read.

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Originally Posted by Crono

the tabs are less differentiated

What do you mean? The tabs are the exact same size and use the exact same icons. If anything, the external tabs are more difficult to differentiate, since there isn't any kind of color difference between the selected tab and the unselected tabs, unlike in the internal playerlist.

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Originally Posted by Crono

and from a performance perspective it is slightly less responsive due to the lowered FPS.

That's only a technical detail. There is no significant (read: noticeable) difference in speed or responsiveness. If you think there is, then you're looking too hard for it.

I would probably have used the external playerlist if it was 100% external. But it just makes more sense to use the internal playerlist, since the PM windows, profiles, history, etc. are all internal windows.

Crono · #34 08-08-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345

The only time I've ever even used the tabs is when I accidentally clicked one.

I mean the spaces reading "Staff", "Guild", "Normal", etc. Tab was the wrong word for me to use.

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Originally Posted by kia345

And the theme can be applied to make it contrast less with everything else. The external one is an eyesore because you can't not look at it, it's just another active window to take up space. The scripted one can be given a smooth skin and then shrunk down so it's out of the way. Plus, you can get rid of the ugly PM bubbles and use nice ones from your state (sprites?) image.

So far I have yet to see a decent theme that addresses my issues with the scripted playerlist.

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

The external playerlist delivers internal content. That is not good UI design. It shouldn't be disconnected; either all of it is external or all of it is internal.

Seems to me that the problem lies within internal content then, because the external ones (profiles, etc) were there long before. Almost all of the new internal content share the same faults as the playerlist.

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

It doesn't make it hard to read at all. The text is magnitudes lighter than the background. In fact, if it were any other color than light blue, it would be more difficult to read.

Because a blue background is good to begin with, right? My point is that it's harder to read.

@tabs, refer to my response to kia.

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

That's only a technical detail. There is no significant (read: noticeable) difference in speed or responsiveness. If you think there is, then you're looking too hard for it.

No, it is there. It's noticeable when you're used to normal framerates when gaming. As a matter of fact Graal's 20fps hurts my head at times if I don't play it for a few days after playing other games.

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

I would probably have used the external playerlist if it was 100% external. But it just makes more sense to use the internal playerlist, since the PM windows, profiles, history, etc. are all internal windows.

The playerlist itself is 100% "external", it's just that the PM windows and history were altered for security purposes or something. Profiles are still external on the v5 client.

Alure1316 · #35 08-08-2010, 09:24 PM

The Mac client has the playerlist integrated with no way of changing it. On Windows, I recently found out that I can use the integrated playerlist, and have started playing with that one.

TSAdmin · #36 08-09-2010, 05:20 AM

External

LoneAngelIbesu · #37 08-09-2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

Seems to me that the problem lies within internal content then, because the external ones (profiles, etc) were there long before. Almost all of the new internal content share the same faults as the playerlist.

You're right that the problem lies within internal windows, but I don't really find any faults with internal content.

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Originally Posted by Crono

Because a blue background is good to begin with, right? My point is that it's harder to read.

It's not hard to at all, unless you're blind or something. Are you saying it's hard to read because you actually have a hard time reading it, or just because it 'could' be hard to read? Not that I want to get into some kind of discussion on color theory.

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Originally Posted by Crono

No, it is there. It's noticeable when you're used to normal framerates when gaming. As a matter of fact Graal's 20fps hurts my head at times if I don't play it for a few days after playing other games.

You have weird head, then. I see no difference in responsiveness between the external and internal playerlists. Never have.

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Originally Posted by Crono

The playerlist itself is 100% "external", it's just that the PM windows and history were altered for security purposes or something. Profiles are still external on the v5 client.

The problem is still that it's not entirely external. I simply do not understand how it doesn't annoy people to have half the functionality of the playerlist be external, and the other half internal. Given the choice between that and having a fully integrated internal playerlist, the choice seems obvious to me.

I'm not judging, though. If you like the external playerlist, then good for you. I don't get why some people get all up-in-arms about it. Yes, I do realize the irony in that statement!

Dnegel · #38 08-10-2010, 06:55 PM

Old one.

View Poll Results: Which playerlist do you use?
In-game playerlist (blue, scripted, etc)	10	21.28%
Normal playerlist (default old one, external, etc)	37	78.72%
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