Monthly Spar Tournament: April 2009

[BlackSolider]

No one asked you to read it laura.

[Cetellic]

I lol at how easily the Ghandi/Stalin argument ressurfaced... this is why when I work on stuff I usually work alone, cause some people just don't use their head...

[Gotenks_Gore]

close please, this is going no where

[BlackSolider]

@ clel

Says the man who wants to pick jade first.

[Cetellic]

And you want to kick laggers, big whoop...

[Shadow87]

Ok now it should stop.

[BlackSolider]

Severe laggers, yes. When you can't see someone move until they reappear 5 tiles away from where their image is on your screen....thats just screwed up.

[Cetellic]

Lol @ mind gamed

[BlackSolider]

Seeing someone you're trying to defend against certainly helps, no?

[Cetellic]

ROFL Glad stop being stupid, you don't even get it at all haha... just call it quits

[Shadow87]

*straps TNT to thread*

[maximus_asinus]

so who won?

[BlackSolider]

Then do explain it to me professor clel, since you obviously know everything yet don't care to grace us with your knowledge.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

so who won?

abc

[Cetellic]

there's nothing to explain really... you got mindgamed, while funny it aint that big of a deal

[BlackSolider]

Not being able to see someone isn't a big deal?

[Cetellic]

do you even know what the topic is about anymore? LMAO dude is so confused

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

so who won?

...

[BlackSolider]

Topic is about the monthly spar tournament. You brought up me kicking laggers in the last page, yes?

[xnervNATx]

WOW stop spamming tis thread just to get free post count gladius

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

so who won?

My jesus, stop bickering and answer my simple question. You two have worse temper tantrums than my three year old nephew.

[BlackSolider]

You did max, you did.

[BlackSolider]

Well since so many of you have complained about wanting to close this thread, I'll post what the boss man himself said about the tournament: (as always read from bottom up)

BlackSolider (Mon Apr 13 23:40:32 2009):
people on their home server are always going to have an edge against "foreigners" because they are familar with everything. thats a fact. "foreigners" simply can't show up and expect to get into the monthly. you have to earn it either by getting to a location first or pming in first. if you don't, then you don't get in the tournament. end of story

Night (Card Committee) (Mon Apr 13 23:37:58 2009):
I agree. I feel I already changed it enough for players from other servers by introducing the summon spars we do have. I mean it used to be all location spars but I made it half and half to accomodate our "foreign" players as you put it.

BlackSolider (Mon Apr 13 23:29:47 2009):
my problem with mystic's arguement is that he claims it isnt fair that classicians have an edge.

but why not? people who spend time on this server are going to know where the spar locations are. you can't change that.

mystic argues that "classicians know to have a pm ready for a mass" while foreigners won't, thus why they didnt get in many summon spars. thats not the fault of classics players

but the fact remains that each person has 8 chances to get in our tournament, even if they never know any of our spar locations. anyone can pm a gc for a summon spar; the question is whether they will be fast enough

we can't tell classicians to "forget" where spar locations are to make it "fairer" to foreigners. we can't tell classicians to "not have a pm ready" if the foreigners are too dumb to do it as well. we simply can't ignore the people who have played our on our server for hours on end just to appease these UN noobs who are making a 1 time visit

besides, theres never been a problem until this point. i was confused as to why our champ didnt get in, but if he wasn't fast enough then he wasnt fast enough, just like anyone else

Night (Card Committee) (Mon Apr 13 23:22:13 2009):
I have and I've already told Mystic my piece on this the other day when he was whining to me. I kinda agree with the fact that Tatsumi or anyone shouldn't necessarily have 4 tries. But that's very playercount based and hard to enforce. Also the past month's champion not getting in. That is one thing we may change. Storm was asking about that one as well. Anyway I don't agree with the notion of drastically changing the tournament however. I will never turn this thing into a total summon extravaganza. Mystic might not care for tradition but I do in this regard. Tatsumi's point is probably the best though in that the biggest flaw only happened when there were less GCs hosting it. The more GCs hosting it the less likely the flaw pops up. But we'll probably discuss changes to the monthly if any before next month's.

[Gotenks_Gore]

deo i think

[Luda]

Originally Posted by Gotenks_Gore

deo i think

Yea he won

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Correction, you have to get into the spar tournament. The part before is a qualification round, where you do have to race to pm or reach a location first or second.

We keep going back and fourth where we keep repeating ourselves. If all the higher admins agree that 4 chances was a bit too much, why are you defending it? Even Night agreed and it was a good enough playercount too (40 players, only 3-4 rc's on, and many players logging in and out). I wasn't whining to him either but we). The # of gc's might not even be the issue considering Jade got 6 chances last month. Sue me for not noticing but nobody complained then.

Also can you stop ****ing saying I want the tourney changed up? I dropped that idea even before this whole debate. That wasnt my point at all yet you keep thinking it is.

Correction, the main tournament is an elimination tournament. The part before is a qualification round, where you have to get in in order to try and qualify.

Main tournament is elimination, but qualifications is also called "pre elimination" meaning we eliminate some people from the tournament, not giving them teh same chance.

I find it ironic that you try to insult me by calling me a communist, and yet here you are suggesting we should limit people. I also find it ironic that you tell me I don't deserve to live in America when I'm stating people should have the freedom to qualify as many times as they get in.

Remind me whenever we followed a political system. I believe what is fair for all and I believe what the true meaning of something is exactly what it should stick to.

So the fact that we did this in 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, and 2004 means we totally can't do this in 2009 because classic is.....so much different now?

It's called stop living in the past. It's what you and a lot of people should do. Refer to all these "bring back gta" threads.

Let me correct a few things. First off, Karl Marx's theories are the basis of socialism. Communism is a radical spin off of those ideas. Second off, lets put this in context. When you're a peasant farmer in the lower class of society, when a man comes around preaching about everyone being in an equal middle class....aren't you doing to ****ing support it? Communism is one of those ideas that looks great on paper (everyones equal) but doesn't work well in practice. The reason it doesn't work well is that when inexperienced people try to manage a nation's economy...yeah...it doesn't work out. But the notion of everyone being equal appealed to nations with large peasant farmer populations such as China, Russia, and Vietnam. Third off, Chernobyl was in Ukraine. Russian cities got some fallout, but it's not like in Fallout 3. Fourth off, this entire argument is opinionated. People are naturally inclined to think their opinion is correct. I think that Stalin was more influential because his country, Russia, became a super power under his leadership after ww2. It wasn't a superpower before. Stalin's 5 year plans and massive industrialization projects turned a nation of peasant farmers into an industrial power. This industry was instrumental in eventually defeating nazi germany. India, once freed of british control, didn't really go anywhere. Still hasn't. Is a country that kills its people voluntarily in order to maintain control better than a country that involuntarily kills its people out of neglect and thus ignores massive famine? That's up for debate.

For one, Marx based his ideas off socialism. His ideas are communism hence why he is called "the father of communism. Marx had a unique idea of thinking, but this is not what we consider freedom of the people.
For two, Socialism was only a set of economic ideas.
For three, Communism was based off socialism except with politial ideas as well.
For four, Chernobyl power plant was controlled by the USSR. Who gives a **** really where it occurred. It was the fault of the government.

Look duda. You think gandhi was more historically influential and I'm not going to convince you otherwise. I think stalin was more historically influential and you're sure as hell not going to convince me otherwise. Let's drop this opinionated portion and focus on the matter at hand.

Yeah we can't convince each other, but the whole world is convinced Gandhi had a more positive effect.


Also how did Clel saying he likes working by himself, go to picking jade first, then going to kicking laggers? Wtf mate?

[Luda]

Wow shut up Mystic

[Gotenks_Gore]

seriously the arguments over

[Nataxo]

lol @ the political arguing =P

[BlackSolider]

Nothing is going to change so I'm not even going to respond.

[MysticX2X]

Good.

[Cetellic]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Also how did Clel saying he likes working by himself, go to picking jade first, then going to kicking laggers? Wtf mate?

My bad, I was just showing how easy it is to mindgame Gladius

[BlackSolider]

Settle down Sigmund Freud.

[Cetellic]

ok =)

[BlackSolider]

Good boy.

[Shadow87]

Tatsumi4GC...again.

[maximus_asinus]

thanks for answering, wish a GC would have done it though

[Gotenks_Gore]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Good boy.

no