Hurry!

RevolutionJS · #1 03-21-2009, 05:46 PM

You need to hurry with updates, saturday evening 14 players online, Don't let it come any further.
if we don't do anything it is probally to late.
Take this serious.

Nataxo · #2 03-21-2009, 05:56 PM

I admire your optimism.

But they probably dont hurry x.x srry.

Donark · #3 03-21-2009, 05:58 PM

Ya, that was pretty despressing seeing a saturday morning with not more than 20 players.

Imperialistic · #4 03-21-2009, 05:58 PM

Translation please?

doyouskate · #5 03-21-2009, 06:45 PM

If you haven't noticed, most of the updates last about a week or two and don't become fun. So, updates aren't going to do much.

seanthien · #6 03-21-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RevolutionJS

You need to hurry with updates, saturday evening 14 players online, Don't let it come any further.
if we don't do anything it is probally to late.
Take this serious.

It's way too late. In my opinion, you're part of the reason that zone's playercount drops.

RevolutionJS · #7 03-21-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by seanthien

It's way too late. In my opinion, you're part of the reason that zone's playercount drops.

Could you please explain me that?

MiniOne · #8 03-22-2009, 01:28 AM

I still think the new GRAAL community screws up the whole game, not just zone's but the whole of Graal has a crap community now. They don't tend to talk but rather just kill each other. The only people who greet you are your friends and as I see it, it's mainly the older players who talk and then the newer ones would pm GO TO IRICIA or some crap like that. Its not updates we need, its a more friendly community, along with advertising.

Crono · #9 03-22-2009, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MiniOne

I still think the new GRAAL community screws up the whole game, not just zone's but the whole of Graal has a crap community now. They don't tend to talk but rather just kill each other.

Compared to when?

Clockwork · #10 03-22-2009, 04:08 AM

Ditch the planet thing and go for a lobby system :3

seanthien · #11 03-22-2009, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RevolutionJS

Could you please explain me that?

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Originally Posted by MiniOne

I still think the new GRAAL community screws up the whole game, not just zone's but the whole of Graal has a crap community now. They don't tend to talk but rather just kill each other. The only people who greet you are your friends and as I see it, it's mainly the older players who talk and then the newer ones would pm GO TO IRICIA or some crap like that. Its not updates we need, its a more friendly community, along with advertising.

^ That answers it.

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Originally Posted by Crono

Compared to when?

Well it was alot better before.

Deas_Voice · #12 03-22-2009, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork

Ditch the planet thing and go for a lobby system :3

if they did that, they would also have to redo the history behind the server..

seanthien · #13 03-22-2009, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork

Ditch the planet thing and go for a lobby system :3

ILYAEKO. Anyhow, ya, lobby, go ahead and let a bunch of mental kids host a room while waiting for them to learn how to work it. Not to mention wait for players to join.

Novice · #14 03-22-2009, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RevolutionJS

You need to hurry with updates, saturday evening 14 players online, Don't let it come any further.
if we don't do anything it is probally to late.
Take this serious.

Either use "you" or "we", don't mix it up. Also, you should also try helping them by coming up with new ideas to put on the game, like weapons, planets, events, etc.

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Originally Posted by Nataxo

I admire your optimism.

But they probably dont hurry x.x srry.

You're staff, aren't you? You should try to get it done quicker.

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Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Translation please?

Why hello there, Grammar Police.

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Originally Posted by MiniOne

I still think the new GRAAL community screws up the whole game, not just zone's but the whole of Graal has a crap community now. They don't tend to talk but rather just kill each other. The only people who greet you are your friends and as I see it, it's mainly the older players who talk and then the newer ones would pm GO TO IRICIA or some crap like that. Its not updates we need, its a more friendly community, along with advertising.

Graal's community has never been oh-so-great, and I actually find on a few servers it is better. Yes, Zone's has gotten worse, but what will saying "we need a friendly community" do if you yourself don't try to promote friendliness on the server by being friendly to everyone, and get just a sort of "welcome comitee" group going. Also, there's many ways you can help to advertise.

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Originally Posted by Deas_Voice

if they did that, they would also have to redo the history behind the server..

Easily doable.
I doubt many people, if at all, read that little "History" info GUI, and much less care.

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Originally Posted by seanthien

ILYAEKO. Anyhow, ya, lobby, go ahead and let a bunch of mental kids host a room while waiting for them to learn how to work it. Not to mention wait for players to join.

I believe he meant, instead of the planets that roam about the sun and in the background says "ZONE", have a chat room.

MiniOne · #15 03-22-2009, 06:30 AM

I've found that Graal's community was actually fun and I enjoyed it a few years ago. I can ensure a lot of others can agree with me.

seanthien · #16 03-22-2009, 07:19 AM

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Either use "you" or "we", don't mix it up.

I tend to do that alot, correct me plx mr.popo.

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Also, you should also try helping them by coming up with new ideas to put on the game, like weapons, planets, events, etc.

If you notice, ideas are plentiful. The lack of dev members, mostly scripters in my opinion, is what takes zone so long for updates to happen.

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You're staff, aren't you? You should try to get it done quicker.

She was Events Team member. Non-dev anyhow.

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Why hello there, Grammar Police.

hai.plzcorect plz.

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Graal's community has never been oh-so-great, and I actually find on a few servers it is better. Yes, Zone's has gotten worse, but what will saying "we need a friendly community" do if you yourself don't try to promote friendliness on the server by being friendly to everyone, and get just a sort of "welcome comitee" group going. Also, there's many ways you can help to advertise.

Staff should be these "Welcome Committee". Having a friendly community isn't a single person job. It's a group effort in my opinion, and alot of people don't cooperate too well.

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Originally Posted by MiniOne

I've found that Graal's community was actually fun and I enjoyed it a few years ago. I can ensure a lot of others can agree with me.

Ditto.

MiniOne · #17 03-22-2009, 07:23 AM

I'd like to see someone fix zone by themselves.

seanthien · #18 03-22-2009, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MiniOne

I'd like to see someone fix zone by themselves.

Takes 1 person to gather people together, organize it and push it forward. Besides that, ya, it's group effort.

Shadow5596321 · #19 03-22-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by seanthien

Takes 1 person to gather people together, organize it and push it forward. Besides that, ya, it's group effort.

We call those protests and they always fail on Graal.

MiniOne · #20 03-22-2009, 09:27 AM

Zones Going to die.... Sadly but when it does the community might leave and we can remake it

As for that one person organizing it, I attempted that but I'm going to give up.

RevolutionJS · #21 03-22-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MiniOne

I still think the new GRAAL community screws up the whole game, not just zone's but the whole of Graal has a crap community now. They don't tend to talk but rather just kill each other. The only people who greet you are your friends and as I see it, it's mainly the older players who talk and then the newer ones would pm GO TO IRICIA or some crap like that. Its not updates we need, its a more friendly community, along with advertising.

The players who are always chatting, you call them your friends..
They dont make space for oothers to talk with them,
When you get there its like EWWW A LAMER DUTCHIE PHOTON FRENCHIE KID EW EW EW EW.
So why the hell they wont to go talk with *******s like you, instead of that they onjoy playing the game and do where its made for.

pooper200000 · #22 03-22-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Novice

You're staff, aren't you? You should try to get it done quicker.

Nataxo was staff. As Sean said, Nataxo was ET staff but Nataxo was never involved in development (Aside from testing)

Those of us who are staff read the forums and recognize problems and work on fixing them. It just takes time between implementing an idea and having the idea added.

I really dislike when people blame the community for two reasons. First off, we are all members of the community and by blaming the community we blame ourselves. We can't improve if we don't first improve ourselves.
The second reason I dislike people blaming the community is because the community comes up with a lot of ideas and is the driving force behind why there is a lot of development (Staff develop for the community).

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Originally Posted by Novice

Easily doable.
I doubt many people, if at all, read that little "History" info GUI, and much less care.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by MiniOne

Zones Going to die.... Sadly but when it does the community might leave and we can remake it

As for that one person organizing it, I attempted that but I'm going to give up.

I dislike your pessimism. You always speak of how Zone is going to die, but Zone is still here. It is only because of pessimism such as your pessimism that Zone is going to die. We need members who are willing to participate in the community, members willing to be a positive influence on the new members.

Ravenblade1979 · #23 03-22-2009, 03:41 PM

Zone won't die. It is experiencing low playercount due to the fact that most people have school and cannot get online during the day. It has nothing to do with lack of updates. As I see it people are just happy with laming each other.

RevolutionJS · #24 03-22-2009, 03:42 PM

I was talking about Saturday night, normal people dont have school then..

Ravenblade1979 · #25 03-22-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RevolutionJS

I was talking about Saturday night, normal people dont have school then..

Weather is turning nicer and people might just want to be with their friends. You don't know for sure so DON'T blame the lack of updates on low playercount. Take into consideration that people have LIVES outside of the game. You might not but others do. Also there's the different time zones in the world. Frankly where I live its spring and its been warm past few days and lots of people were out and about enjoying themself.

RevolutionJS · #26 03-22-2009, 03:57 PM

Its getting worse and worse and it has nothing to do with the fact they dont have time.
I will explain it.
As example on saturday night there 50 people online, some people quit, and next saturday there only 40 people online,players think its getting boring now, next week there are only 30 players online, the die hards.
When they even quit (Jurre Sasori) or player get way less active( Me Billy etc)
Next week 20
Now were at the point from 14 players..
So how many will there be online next week?

Shadow5596321 · #27 03-22-2009, 03:57 PM

Raven, Zone is dieing from lack of GOOD updates.

Ravenblade1979 · #28 03-22-2009, 04:15 PM

Zone is dying from lack of updates. Then why don't people stop complaining and learn how to dev or script and help. Complaining won't do anything because there isn't enough staff to bring out new stuff.

doyouskate · #29 03-22-2009, 05:16 PM

Most games get repetitive and people get bored. Zone is that type of game, people get bored of killing people and they quit.

yo_momma516 · #30 03-22-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by doyouskate

Most games get repetitive and people get bored. Zone is that type of game, people get bored of killing people and they quit.

That's one of the reasons I quit actually.
And besides the fact that Zone is dying. We do need some new good updates, and fast.

Novice · #31 03-22-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MiniOne

I've found that Graal's community was actually fun and I enjoyed it a few years ago. I can ensure a lot of others can agree with me.

Are you sure you're talking about Graal?
Perhaps Zone, but I've seen on a few servers it is actually better.

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Originally Posted by seanthien

I tend to do that alot, correct me plx mr.popo.

I was just saying that so we knew what exactly he meant.

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If you notice, ideas are plentiful. The lack of dev members, mostly scripters in my opinion, is what takes zone so long for updates to happen.

Then people should learn to do some kind of development work and help staff/management get it done.

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hai.plzcorect plz.

I was talking to Imperialistic, it's a joke.

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Staff should be these "Welcome Committee". Having a friendly community isn't a single person job. It's a group effort in my opinion, and alot of people don't cooperate too well.

If staff don't do it, and if players are complaining, then those players should. Promote what you want to get in return. "Do to others as you would like done to yourself." (Something alone those lines)

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Originally Posted by pooper200000

Nataxo was staff. As Sean said, Nataxo was ET staff but Nataxo was never involved in development (Aside from testing)

Those of us who are staff read the forums and recognize problems and work on fixing them. It just takes time between implementing an idea and having the idea added.

I really dislike when people blame the community for two reasons. First off, we are all members of the community and by blaming the community we blame ourselves. We can't improve if we don't first improve ourselves.
The second reason I dislike people blaming the community is because the community comes up with a lot of ideas and is the driving force behind why there is a lot of development (Staff develop for the community).

I only blame the community when I see them complaining, but not actually trying to get anything done other than "thiz iz brokn plz fix" or "this iz laem wepn chng thiz!"
What I'm trying to say is, instead of complaining about weapons/fairness, learn to develop to create more weapons/improve fairness. GraalOnline is mainly ran by players, and Cyberjoueurs steps in where it's necessary and usually on Gold servers (because, that's why the servers are Gold, they're what they think of "better" servers, and want to improve them).
And the only reason I am not trying to develop for Zone, is because I don't play Zone too much nor really care about its development as long as something is getting done (which I know there is), and because I have my own projects to attend to.

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I dislike your pessimism. You always speak of how Zone is going to die, but Zone is still here. It is only because of pessimism such as your pessimism that Zone is going to die. We need members who are willing to participate in the community, members willing to be a positive influence on the new members.

I believe players think of these kinds of things is because they don't see the possible updates.
If staff could get a list of what is being done or what is done to be released, I'm sure players will stop, give criticism (constructive? with Zone's players, not likely), and continue playing.

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Originally Posted by Shadow5596321

Raven, Zone is dieing from lack of GOOD updates.

Oh yes, tell Raven, and have him try his hand at Iricia again!

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Zone is dying from lack of updates. Then why don't people stop complaining and learn how to dev or script and help. Complaining won't do anything because there isn't enough staff to bring out new stuff.

This is what I keep trying to say, and what I've seen said before.
Players don't get the hint that those running the server are, in fact, only players themselves, who had learned to develop.
If players took about 3 hours to try to learn how to develop, I'm sure there could be much more work done. Of course, then they'll go out and get a server, and learn how hard it is manage them, and then be all "WHY ME" and quit. (Fake story, by the way. Just trying to say that it is in fact hard to manage a server.)

Just a note to all:
I would be glad to help teach what I know about developing to any player if they would like me to. Just give me a PM or Visitor Message on my profile and we can set up how to communicate and where to test (which, unless you have your own server, will be Testbed).

RevolutionJS · #32 03-22-2009, 05:37 PM

I really want to learn how to script etc, but where to start?

Novice · #33 03-22-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RevolutionJS

I really want to learn how to script etc, but where to start?

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Originally Posted by Novice

Just a note to all:
I would be glad to help teach what I know about developing to any player if they would like me to. Just give me a PM or Visitor Message on my profile and we can set up how to communicate and where to test (which, unless you have your own server, will be Testbed).

(I know, I had added that bit a tiny bit later than I had posted that.)

noublipasa · #34 03-22-2009, 08:09 PM

Dutchies are nice those who aren't nice are oldbies : always saying : wow your a noob, wow you suck, ewwww its wehec , run (although they are teaming)... etc

-I think that to increase the playercount we need updates... and ET's connect more often to lock hackers.
-Also Tsunami's holiday idea will (in my opinion) just make the playercount rise alot.

RevolutionJS · #35 03-22-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by noublipasa

Dutchies are nice those who aren't nice are oldbies : always saying : wow your a noob, wow you suck, ewwww its wehec , run (although they are teaming)... etc
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Yea! thats what I'm talking about!

Ravenblade1979 · #36 03-22-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by noublipasa

Dutchies are nice those who aren't nice are oldbies : always saying : wow your a noob, wow you suck, ewwww its wehec , run (although they are teaming)... etc

Wow you must catch them when they are in a good mood. I have seen "dutchies" (as people like to say) calling people noobs, saying they suck etc. So don't try to seperate them from everyone else.

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Originally Posted by noublipasa

I think that to increase the playercount we need updates... and ET's connect more often to lock hackers.

Updates are a given and with the ETs connecting more. While the lock would work it would greatly annoy the hackers and they would try even harder to annoy people and break the rules.

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Originally Posted by noublipasa

-Also Tsunami's holiday idea will (in my opinion) just make the playercount rise alot.

Probably for the time that this is happening. What about after its over?

RevolutionJS · #37 03-22-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Updates are a given and with the ETs connecting more. While the lock would work it would greatly annoy the hackers and they would try even harder to annoy people and break the rules.

So youre saying we should just let them hack and do nothing?

noublipasa · #38 03-23-2009, 12:32 AM

Ok I agree dutchies (and me maybe) have been calling other people noobs and stuff... so what ? what makes them so bad? what makes oldbies so good ?

MiniOne · #39 03-23-2009, 07:05 AM

You just stated what makes dutchies bad, they tend to use crude words for no reason, as well as most of you tend to lame, refuse to talk with a manner in which should be used, you tend to insult others for beating you and of course you've chosen to have obtained yourselves a reputation. This isn't what most oldies are like, they tend to be nice most of the time, though I know some exceptions and times when they aren't though there rare.

@Novice: Most communities on Graal have actually dropped as has it for many other internet games, I just believe that the newer generations have are lacking communication skills and are exceptionally disrespectful.

noublipasa · #40 03-23-2009, 07:43 AM

Sory Mini but oldbies aren't nice to me.
You (are you an oldbie?) said ewwwww it's wehec when I came on Era.
For me dutchies are nicer than oldbies but maybe it isn't true for everyone.

But instead of crying and saying dutchies destroy the community why don't oldbies come back and we will have like 2 gangs on zone : French people and dutchies vs oldbies and english people. That would be really fun. We actually had that one day : there was flash,conor and me in sweep fleet and there was tenchry, shadow and poizike on the other team. We had alot of 3vs3 good fights and it was really fun.