Most important skill

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Don't make accusations without elaboration.

You called drug users and smokers weak minded. Inspiration (not Thrash, my bad) pointed out you were being just as narrow minded as him.

Your post answering Inspiration didn't explain anything, still making you a hypocrite.

Way to get ignored.

Um, what?

[Thrashsoul3]

Zero's Signature: "Atexia Development (Needs graphic artists.)"

Enough said.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Gerami

You called drug users and smokers weak minded. Inspiration (not Thrash, my bad) pointed out you were being just as narrow minded as him.

Your post answering Inspiration didn't explain anything, still making you a hypocrite.

Inspiration's opinion means little to me at this point. Maybe if he explained this point of view I would pay it more attention.

For example, if someone were to call me an idiot, I would simply ignore them since I couldn't care less about their opinion of me. Now if they wanted to explain why they think I'm an idiot I might pay slightly more attention to what they're saying and if they've convinced me then I'll try to fix it. In example that is.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

Wait, you're talking about having a narrow-minded view of the world, and then you accuse people who use drugs of being weak minded fools?

I don't see what you did there.

Whats so hard to understand? If you're going to destroy yourself because of an addiction then I think you're a weak-minded fool who needs professional help.

If you smoke, you are an idiot. If you live long enough to get diagnosed with Lung Cancer I'll be the first to call you an idiot again, because you did it to yourself in full knowledge of the consequences.

Originally Posted by Gerami

Um, what?

When I read your sentence in response to my post I immediately became irritated with your lack of elaboration. I usually ignore people who do that.


Anyhow, if anyone has a problem with myself or what I say, you'd better have a good logical reason up or go tell someone that cares, because I wont. Of course you're welcome to say what you think of me if it makes you feel better (this is a free country), but you should just know that I wont give a damn without a reason.

[Crono]

Whats so hard to understand? If you're going to destroy yourself because of an addiction then I think you're a weak-minded fool who needs professional help.

Yeah people totally don't do it for fun or for the hell of it.

If you smoke, you are an idiot.

Not really.

If you live long enough to get diagnosed with Lung Cancer I'll be the first to call you an idiot again, because you did it to yourself in full knowledge of the consequences.

So tell me, what do you do everyday?

When I read your sentence in response to my post I immediately became irritated with your lack of elaboration. I usually ignore people who do that.

Except you didn't actually ignore me.

[Thrashsoul3]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Inspiration's opinion means little to me at this point. Maybe if he explained this point of view I would pay it more attention.

For example, if someone were to call me an idiot, I would simply ignore them since I couldn't care less about their opinion of me. Now if they wanted to explain why they think I'm an idiot I might pay slightly more attention to what they're saying and if they've convinced me then I'll try to fix it. In example that is.

Whats so hard to understand? If you're going to destroy yourself because of an addiction then I think you're a weak-minded fool who needs professional help.

If you smoke, you are an idiot. If you live long enough to get diagnosed with Lung Cancer I'll be the first to call you an idiot again, because you did it to yourself in full knowledge of the consequences.
When I read your sentence in response to my post I immediately became irritated with your lack of elaboration. I usually ignore people who do that.


Anyhow, if anyone has a problem with myself or what I say, you'd better have a good logical reason up or go tell someone that cares, because I wont. Of course you're welcome to say what you think of me if it makes you feel better (this is a free country), but you should just know that I wont give a damn without a reason.

You obviously care about what people say to you if you have to right a 3 paragraph post explaining how you don't care.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Yeah people totally don't do it for fun or for the hell of it.

Hey, if they think that little bit of fun is more important then their future health then they're an idiot.

Originally Posted by Gerami

Not really.

Well then, would you like to explain why smoking isn't a bad choice. Because I mostly think that if someone makes a bad choice with full knowledge of consequences, they're an idiot.

Originally Posted by Gerami

So tell me, what do you do everyday?

Not allowed to say those kinds of things on the forums.

Originally Posted by Gerami

Except you didn't actually ignore me.

Whatever gave you that idea?

Originally Posted by Thrashsoul3

You obviously care about what people say to you if you have to right a 3 paragraph post explaining how you don't care.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Hey, if they think that little bit of fun is more important then their future health then they're an idiot.

How is it idiotic to shave a few years off their lives just to live it up in the present?

Well then, would you like to explain why smoking isn't a bad choice. Because I mostly think that if someone makes a bad choice with full knowledge of consequences, they're an idiot.

Refer to above.

Not allowed to say those kinds of things on the forums.Whatever gave you that idea?

zz

But really, way to ignore the part about addiction and how drug users/smokers are weak-minded because you claim they are only in it for the addictions while some do it for fun, proving you wrong.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by Inverness

If you're going to destroy yourself because of an addiction then I think you're a weak-minded fool who needs professional help.

If you smoke, you are an idiot. If you live long enough to get diagnosed with Lung Cancer I'll be the first to call you an idiot again, because you did it to yourself in full knowledge of the consequences.

See, it's overly obvious that you're talking out of complete inexperience and ignorance.

You saying that everyone that has a drug addiction is a weak minded idiot has about as much merit as someone sitting on their couch, watching a professional boxing match, and saying "Man I could beat that guy if I was in the ring".

Yes, there are people who are weak minded and believe they need drugs and alcohol to have a good time. However, this tends to be more of a teenage/young adult phase than a full blown addiction, and they do tend to get over it more often then not.

True addiction is not something you can break by will alone. A lot of addicts are content with their addictions as well.

A lot of people also use drugs casually for the experience. The topic at hand was a Rave. If you go to a rave once a month during the summer, and use a drug, you're not destroying yourself. In fact, you'll probably have a killer time that you'll remember for the rest of your life.

If I was you I'd stick to topics I have direct experience with rather than trying to sound enlightened because you've chosen to abstain from a certain aspect of life.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Gerami

How is it idiotic to shave a few years off their lives just to live it up in the present?

You have a point, it really depends on how much you smoke, but just know you're going to have to deal with the consequences.

Originally Posted by Gerami

But really, way to ignore the part about addiction and how drug users/smokers are weak-minded because you claim they are only in it for the addictions while some do it for fun, proving you wrong.

I really don't want to find out whats fun about doing drugs, sorry. People who do stuff like that usually aren't mature or experienced enough to realize the consequences it would have on their future if they continue to do it.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

See, it's overly obvious that you're talking out of complete inexperience and ignorance.

True.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

You saying that everyone that has a drug addiction is a weak minded idiot has about as much merit as someone sitting on their couch, watching a professional boxing match, and saying "Man I could beat that guy if I was in the ring".

I don't follow.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

Yes, there are people who are weak minded and believe they need drugs and alcohol to have a good time. However, this tends to be more of a teenage/young adult phase than a full blown addiction, and they do tend to get over it more often then not.

Thats what I'm talking about, I'm sure many of them would remember how much of an idiot they were when they were younger.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

True addiction is not something you can break by will alone.

This is something that the weak-minded have convinced you of. You need to break this illusion that you're not in control of what you do. Hell, I would be willing and eager to participate in some scientific study about addiction so I can shove it in people's faces.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

A lot of addicts are content with their addictions as well.

It doesn't mean its good for them, and most are probably only thinking of the here and now, which isn't a good thing in relation to health.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

A lot of people also use drugs casually for the experience. The topic at hand was a Rave. If you go to a rave once a month during the summer, and use a drug, you're not destroying yourself. In fact, you'll probably have a killer time that you'll remember for the rest of your life.

I still don't see any reason why I would want to use drugs 'for the experience'. I don't need mind-altering drugs to have a good time, thanks.

I think its kind of depressing that you need to do drugs to feel good.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

If I was you I'd stick to topics I have direct experience with rather than trying to sound enlightened because you've chosen to abstain from a certain aspect of life.

Well, you're not me. And no, my opinion of the average intelligence level of those around my age isn't high enough for me to to not reply to topics I have no experience in.

Sometimes an outside opinion helps.

By the way, I get the impression that you use addiction to justify your use of drugs. I know many people do.

It disgusts me how many believe they can't break an addiction with willpower alone.

[Pimmeh]

Most important skill?
Argumentation....Obviously..../poiints at above

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Pimmeh

Most important skill?
Argumentation....Obviously..../poiints at above

Yes, you need something to do when things get boring, also helps with putting the underlings in their place.

[Codein]

Originally Posted by Inverness

I'm glad that Zero doesn't do drugs because of the other retards that do it, if he did that would severely lower my opinion of him. I don't like weak-minded fools that succumb to peer-pressure.

Originally Posted by Inverness

I never said all drugs were addictive, I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion.

I'm finding odds and ends to bash at you because I recreationally use cannabis every now and then and you're suggesting that all drug users are weak-minded fools and are retarded.

For you information, my good friend, there are many drug users who are not addicted, who are certainly not retarded and chose to do so without being "pressured" into it, like myself.

Now, in your entire superiority, you may be able to classify me as retarded and weak-minded but I'm strong enough to say "no" if I wanted to.

It seems to me that drugs is all about injected down dark alleys, sitting there awaiting for the rush to end ready for the next injection.

[xXziroXx]

Oh for the love of God.. I thought arguing for nothing died from these forums after Gambet quit. Seems like I was wrong.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by Inverness

I still don't see any reason why I would want to use drugs 'for the experience'. I don't need mind-altering drugs to have a good time, thanks.

That's good, you shouldn't. But if you go by this logic, you shouldn't need to play video games to have a good time either. Or watch TV. Or read a book. The list goes on and on. Saying you don't need to do something to have a good time is almost always true, but that does not mean you can't have a good time doing it.

Originally Posted by Inverness

I think its kind of depressing that you need to do drugs to feel good.
Well, you're not me. And no, my opinion of the average intelligence level of those around my age isn't high enough for me to to not reply to topics I have no experience in.

When did I ever say I did? See above. You're on the anti-drug bandwagon, which is almost as annoying as the 4204LIFESMOKEEVERYDAY one. Doing drugs does not have to be a lifestyle. It's quite possible to have such experiences very casually.

Originally Posted by Inverness

By the way, I get the impression that you use addiction to justify your use of drugs. I know many people do.

Originally Posted by Inverness

It disgusts me how many believe they can't break an addiction with willpower alone.

My particular drug habits were never revealed, so you should not make assumptions about them. Chemical addiction with many drugs is a real thing. It's not a mind over matter issue. Like I said, you've never been addicted (you're not in a boxing match), so don't sit on the couch and tell people how to beat what they're up against, or claim that you could do it if you were in their situation.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Inspiration

That's good, you shouldn't. But if you go by this logic, you shouldn't need to play video games to have a good time either. Or watch TV. Or read a book. The list goes on and on. Saying you don't need to do something to have a good time is almost always true, but that does not mean you can't have a good time doing it.

Video games, TV, and books don't alter your mind like drugs usually do. They keyword in my sentence was mind-altering.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

When did I ever say I did? See above. You're on the anti-drug bandwagon, which is almost as annoying as the 4204LIFESMOKEEVERYDAY one. Doing drugs does not have to be a lifestyle. It's quite possible to have such experiences very casually.

I don't think you're understanding the definition of impression. Of course you never said you did, but it is the impression I get from your responses.

I very much treasure my mind and I wouldn't want to be doing anything that could unfavorably alter the way I think, like drugs could. Which is why I'd much rather stay away from them.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

My particular drug habits were never revealed, so you should not make assumptions about them. Chemical addiction with many drugs is a real thing. It's not a mind over matter issue. Like I said, you've never been addicted (you're not in a boxing match), so don't sit on the couch and tell people how to beat what they're up against, or claim that you could do it if you were in their situation.

Fine, feel free to live in your world where you're powerless against addiction, I'm not going to sink to that level of belief, I have confidence in myself.

Originally Posted by Codein

I'm finding odds and ends to bash at you because I recreationally use cannabis every now and then and you're suggesting that all drug users are weak-minded fools and are retarded.

Maybe those words are too strong but I certainly have a lower opinion of them.

Originally Posted by Codein

For you information, my good friend, there are many drug users who are not addicted, who are certainly not retarded and chose to do so without being "pressured" into it, like myself.

Not a good choice in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Codein

Now, in your entire superiority, you may be able to classify me as retarded and weak-minded but I'm strong enough to say "no" if I wanted to.

I certainly don't know that for sure. Thats also not the image painted by the media. Also I don't have the personal experience to know how many could say "no". My parents certainly can't say "no" to smoking.

Originally Posted by Codein

It seems to me that drugs is all about injected down dark alleys, sitting there awaiting for the rush to end ready for the next injection.

Thats similar to my definition of a 'drug user'. Perhaps I group 'drug user' and 'drug addict' in the same category when I shouldn't?

I don't think any person with a high enough level of intelligence would choose to do anything to alter their mind without a good reason. Thats just my opinion on it.

[Codein]

I don't think any person with a high enough level of intelligence would choose to do anything to alter their mind without a good reason.

Because it's a different experience. When life gets old, it's something new. Possibly this is something you cannot grasp. People wish to make their lives interested where it's physically impossible for them to do so.

So you're implying you're intelligent enough not to touch them? No, you're scared of what may happen. There are thousands of intelligent folk who have done drugs.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Codein

Because it's a different experience. When life gets old, it's something new. Possibly this is something you cannot grasp. People wish to make their lives interested where it's physically impossible for them to do so.

Don't understand how that would happen. My life is just fine the way it is.

Originally Posted by Codein

So you're implying you're intelligent enough not to touch them? No, you're scared of what may happen.

Scared, no, not really, that is too strong of a word. Nervous perhaps?

I can't think of a reason why I would want to do something that would alter my mind. I rather like being in control of myself and I don't want to do anything that could change that, and drugs certainly can.

Originally Posted by Codein

There are thousands of intelligent folk who have done drugs.

Please give examples so I can judge their actual level of intelligence, thanks.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Video games, TV, and books don't alter your mind like drugs usually do. They keyword in my sentence was mind-altering.

I'd say someone engrossed in a video game is in a pretty altered state of mind, actually. And I'd almost dare say even more disconnected from reality than someone on certain drugs.

Originally Posted by Inverness

I don't think you're understanding the definition of impression. Of course you never said you did, but it is the impression I get from your responses.

You're not looking too deeply into them then. It's fairly obvious that I preach moderation.

Originally Posted by Inverness

I very much treasure my mind and I wouldn't want to be doing anything that could unfavorably alter the way I think, like drugs could. Which is why I'd much rather stay away from them.

Most drugs only alter your mind for a short period of time. It's up to you what you take out of your experience. Again, you're speaking out of an opinion given to you by observation and word.

Just because you go on an acid trip or smoke some weed does not mean you will spend your life being like DUDE FAR OUT MAN.

Originally Posted by Inverness

Fine, feel free to live in your world where you're powerless against addiction, I'm not going to sink to that level of belief, I have confidence in myself.
Maybe those words are too strong but I certainly have a lower opinion of them.

The only thing I'm addicted to is experiencing life and living it to it's fullest. You have no clue what you're talking about, because you've never been there. You've never experienced. I'm not saying you're a bad person or incorrect for your choices, I'm just saying you have no right to judge people out of said ignorance.

Some of the most intelligent, insightful, creative people in history have had drug addictions and used drugs to think and create the way they did.

You may not want them, need them, or support them. That's fine. But what you should not do is dismiss the possibility that they can have positive effects.

Originally Posted by Inverness

Please give examples so I can judge their actual level of intelligence, thanks.

Bill Hicks. Jim Morrison. Ernest Hemingway. Terrence McKenna. Alex Grey.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Inspiration

I'd say someone engrossed in a video game is in a pretty altered state of mind, actually. And I'd almost dare say even more disconnected from reality than someone on certain drugs.

Thats kinda weird, I've never felt like that when playing video games, heh. Well maybe this one time when playing GTA3 on the PC, I got this super-trainer called the GTA Admin Console and I'd use it to accelerate my car to insane speeds and cause havok, and it made me laugh alot (out loud in real life) when I crushed scores of people sent cars and trucks flying down the road at Mach 1.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

You're not looking too deeply into them then. It's fairly obvious that I preach moderation.

Hey, I'm not experienced at these things remember.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

Most drugs only alter your mind for a short period of time. It's up to you what you take out of your experience. Again, you're speaking out of an opinion given to you by observation and word.

This is true.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

The only thing I'm addicted to is experiencing life and living it to it's fullest. You have no clue what you're talking about, because you've never been there. You've never experienced. I'm not saying you're a bad person or incorrect for your choices, I'm just saying you have no right to judge people out of said ignorance.

Some of the most intelligent, insightful, creative people in history have had drug addictions and used drugs to think and create the way they did.

You may not want them, need them, or support them. That's fine. But what you should not do is dismiss the possibility that they can have positive effects.

You're very right.

However, I'll still hold to the fact that I'll never do anything mind-altering without a damn good reason, and a short 'high' is certainly not a good reason in my opinion.

By the way, would like some examples of these so-called positive effects, they obviously don't make the news.

Looks like Gendo Ikari

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by Inverness

However, I'll still hold to the fact that I'll never do anything mind-altering without a damn good reason, and a short 'high' is certainly not a good reason in my opinion.

By the way, would like some examples of these so-called positive effects, they obviously don't make the news.

Looks like Gendo Ikari

Beyond alcohol and weed, people who do drugs for the high is pretty much what causes the misconception that everyone on them is a burnt out, waste of life, addicted idiot.

Experience in life itself is reason enough for me.

The positive effects are subjective. Like I said, it's what you take out of your situation. They can range anywhere from an intense bonding experience between friends or partners, a newfound appreciation for music, art, or nature, and anything of the like.

I'm fairly certain the experience is far different from what you're picturing in your head.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Inspiration

Beyond alcohol and weed, people who do drugs for the high is pretty much what causes the misconception that everyone on them is a burnt out, waste of life, addicted idiot.

Thats the opinion I currently have of drug users. It seems a revision is in order.

Originally Posted by Inspiration

The positive effects are subjective. Like I said, it's what you take out of your situation. They can range anywhere from an intense bonding experience between friends or partners, a newfound appreciation for music, art, or nature, and anything of the like.

My immature humor made me laugh. (to quote Zero) (This comment is directed at the bold+italic words)

Originally Posted by Inspiration

I'm fairly certain the experience is far different from what you're picturing in your head.

You're probably right.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Thats the opinion I currently have of drug users. It seems a revision is in order.

The best thing you can do is research the subject. McKenna, who I mentioned above, is a pretty good start.

If you still decide to abstain from such things, all the power to you then. At the very least you'll understand where certain people are coming from though.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Inspiration

The best thing you can do is research the subject. McKenna, who I mentioned above, is a pretty good start.

If you still decide to abstain from such things, all the power to you then. At the very least you'll understand where certain people are coming from though.

Ah, what a nice way to finish a debate.

P.S.: GOD ITS ****ING HOT IN TEXAS >:O

All the hot air from the entire house seems to come up here =( When I go down the stairs the difference in temperature is like stepping down into a swimming pool on a hot day.

[Twinny]

I didn't even bother to read the last few pages....split the topic or use forum pms....damn...

Anyhoo, Zokemon informed me that you can use 3d objects in standard Graal. This is awesome since I can make better 3d objects than I could ever pixel. Any graphic artists you can pixel and/or texture?

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Please give examples so I can judge their actual level of intelligence, thanks.

Here's a few famous pot smokers worthy of notation, and as an exception to your hasty generalization:

George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
Bill Gates
JFK
William Shakespeare

These people are widely revered as important/contributory/intelligent so I believe this should provide you with what you're asking for.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Thrashsoul3

Zero's Signature: "Atexia Development (Needs graphic artists.)"

Enough said.

1. I don't see how that has anything to do with me having or not having a life what so ever nor does it relate to drugs at all.
2. Just because I need graphic artists doesn't make them the most important. There are plenty of graphic artists out there that are in dire need of scripters. You can't use that as proof.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by zokemon

I doubt Stefan is going to trust anyone else with such technology.

That was the wrong thing to say Mr. I-Think-I-Deserve-Special-Treatment-Because-I-Got-Connections.

I doubt Stefan would have a problem letting others use it for good reason. Way to stroke your ego.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Inverness

That was the wrong thing to say Mr. I-Think-I-Deserve-Special-Treatment-Because-I-Got-Connections.

I doubt Stefan would have a problem letting others use it for good reason. Way to stroke your ego.

That's not what I meant... It's just like the flying technology, he isn't just going to go out and let anyone use it if they ask. I spent a good 2 hours explaining all my ideas to him before I could even convince him to let me try it out to see if it will work. There's no guarantee that I will even be allowed to use it and my project may just fall into the trashcan.

I wasn't trying to come off as egotistical but merely recommending this technology get slowly worked into Graal and not raped by a thousand newbie servers to make it seem commonplace. But if you don't want to head my advise, go ahead and do what you want. If you are gonna make such comments about me, I'll just humble my self and not try to stop you.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by zokemon

That's not what I meant... It's just like the flying technology, he isn't just going to go out and let anyone use it if they ask. I spent a good 2 hours explaining all my ideas to him before I could even convince him to let me try it out to see if it will work. There's no guarantee that I will even be allowed to use it and my project may just fall into the trashcan.

I wasn't trying to come off as egotistical but merely recommending this technology get slowly worked into Graal and not raped by a thousand newbie servers to make it seem commonplace. But if you don't want to head my advise, go ahead and do what you want. If you are gonna make such comments about me, I'll just humble my self and not try to stop you.

I want a chicken sandwich.

Originally Posted by Inverness

I doubt Stefan would have a problem letting others use it for good reason.

You got owned, son.
I stand by my statement.
WTF ARE YOU LOOKING AT?

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Inverness

I stand by my statement.

NO, YOU DON'T GET A CHICKEN SANDWICH
Fine you win. I'm egotistical, arrogent, etc. Here's your cheese burger.

[Thrashsoul3]

Originally Posted by thrashsoul3

I stand by my statement.

Originally Posted by zokemon

Fine you win. I'm egotistical, arrogent, etc. Here's your cheese burger.

Make it a double hamburger.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Thrashsoul3

Make it a double hamburger.

I wasn't talking to you, me and Inverness make jokes like that all the time. You have no right towards our humor with your attitude.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Thrashsoul3

Make it a double hamburger.

Zero and myself declare you banished from this thread.

[Codein]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Zero and myself declare you banished from this thread.

lolirl

I so wish I had that image in the other thread I told him to gtfo of.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Codein

lolirl

I so wish I had that image in the other thread I told him to gtfo of.

Fixed.

[zokemon]

Aww, I missed the typo.

This thread still is serving it's purpose despite how off topic it has gotten at times. I noticed scripters just went up to 41 votes today from 40

[Thrashsoul3]

Originally Posted by zokemon

I wasn't talking to you, me and Inverness make jokes like that all the time. You have no right towards our humor with your attitude.

*Inverness and I

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Thrashsoul3

*Inverness and I

You do your job well, too bad nobody cares.