Super Smash Brothers Style Graal Server

Demisis_P2P · #1 07-31-2008, 03:25 AM

Somebody hurry up and make one.

jorollychu · #2 07-31-2008, 03:36 AM

i did but ur not invited

Inverness · #3 07-31-2008, 04:14 AM

Absolutely not.

Graal isn't made for that kind of high-speed stuff.

Demisis_P2P · #4 07-31-2008, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

Absolutely not.

Graal isn't made for that kind of high-speed stuff.

People used to say Graal wasn't made for Era-kind-of-stuff either.

It's competely feasible.

Inverness · #5 07-31-2008, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

People used to say Graal wasn't made for Era-kind-of-stuff either.

It's competely feasible.

That is completely different.

Graal runs at 20 FPS and I doubt that would be enough for a true SSB feel to gameplay.

Though maybe I am setting the bar too high.

excaliber7388 · #6 07-31-2008, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

That is completely different.

Graal runs at 20 FPS and I doubt that would be enough for a true SSB feel to gameplay.

Though maybe I am setting the bar too high.

20 when you're lucky x_X

Although if you do it right, you could have less than 10 people in a room, reducing lag (have a menu, choose who you want to fight, or do a random match, or even a guild match, then, it sets up other groups, and puts you in the level of choice).
Someone try it

Pheonixfire · #7 08-03-2008, 04:59 AM

I'm not sure graal could do it well. I mean the basic system is done in tiny tiles, and how much difference would there be between a kick and a punch? You'd have to totally rework the basics for it to be like SSB... Ganis would need like a 5x zoom factor for the difference to be apparent. It would be very unique, however, if you did pull it off. It's definately feasable that it could be done, but could it be done well?

zokemon · #8 07-31-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

That is completely different.

Graal runs at 20 FPS and I doubt that would be enough for a true SSB feel to gameplay.

Though maybe I am setting the bar too high.

I've tried explaining this to people but no one ever understands. It's the same reason why you couldn't replicate a true DDR style game on Graal.

TESTRETIS · #9 07-31-2008, 04:18 AM

so not happening unless you make it yourself.

excaliber7388 · #10 07-31-2008, 04:56 AM

If you can make a good system that doesn't lag too much, go for it.
Of course, to reduce hacking, you will have to do serverside checks, which will slow things down a bit. But if you do it right, that shouldn't be too bad.
Go for it, I'd play

cbk1994 · #11 07-31-2008, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

If you can make a good system that doesn't lag too much, go for it.
Of course, to reduce hacking, you will have to do serverside checks, which will slow things down a bit. But if you do it right, that shouldn't be too bad.
Go for it, I'd play

What kind of hacking? I built a clientside system which detects most kinds of hacking (renaming onwall, onwater, actionprojectile, freezeplayer, sleep, and many more). Tig made some clientside hacker protection as well.

excaliber7388 · #12 07-31-2008, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

What kind of hacking? I built a clientside system which detects most kinds of hacking (renaming onwall, onwater, actionprojectile, freezeplayer, sleep, and many more). Tig made some clientside hacker protection as well.

Actually, now that I think of it, you're right x_X
I haven't been to focused right now

Unpredlctable · #13 07-31-2008, 04:58 AM

hey somebody make me a spaceship

Door · #14 07-31-2008, 05:55 AM

I will be Link

Inverness · #15 07-31-2008, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Door

I will be Link

Zelda+Shiek > Link

kia345 · #16 07-31-2008, 06:10 AM

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I will be Link

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Shiek

Enjoy your Brawlnerf

TESTRETIS · #17 07-31-2008, 08:47 PM

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I will be Link

Totally didn't see that coming.

James · #18 07-31-2008, 06:54 AM

As long as Chuck Norris is a playable character -- I'm down.

DustyPorViva · #19 07-31-2008, 08:29 PM

Graal runs at 20fps. Typical console games run at 60fps.

Graal has a 0.05 timeout, which is 1 second / 20 frames.
60fps = 1 second / 60 frames = ~0.015 timeout. A huge difference in accuracy... 1/3 less accurate(I think, I'm terrible at fractions, could be 2/3).

Demisis_P2P · #20 08-02-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Graal runs at 20fps. Typical console games run at 60fps.

Graal has a 0.05 timeout, which is 1 second / 20 frames.
60fps = 1 second / 60 frames = ~0.015 timeout. A huge difference in accuracy... 1/3 less accurate(I think, I'm terrible at fractions, could be 2/3).

I don't think you described that correctly because fps isn't the proper term.

The 0.05 timeout doesn't affect how many frames per second you can render, doesn't it just affect loops/checks in scripts? So it would only affect reaction times (don't most reaction times average ~0.2 seconds anyway?) and detection.
And as far as hit detection, so long as you didn't have any hits/moves that lasted less than 0.05 seconds, or the possibility to move more than 3 tiles (the player's size/hitbox) in 0.05 seconds then all hits should still be detected?

DustyPorViva · #21 08-02-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

I don't think you described that correctly because fps isn't the proper term.

The 0.05 timeout doesn't affect how many frames per second you can render, doesn't it just affect loops/checks in scripts? So it would only affect reaction times (don't most reaction times average ~0.2 seconds anyway?) and detection.
And as far as hit detection, so long as you didn't have any hits/moves that lasted less than 0.05 seconds, or the possibility to move more than 3 tiles (the player's size/hitbox) in 0.05 seconds then all hits should still be detected?

I think I described it pretty accurately. Timeouts reflect how much can be processed in a second at whatever integers. The fastest being every 0.05 for Graal.

In Smash Bros., which runs at 60fps, they're processing stuff at every ~0.015 seconds. A huge difference.

Mark Sir Link · #22 07-31-2008, 09:19 PM

even if it was possible, what characters would you create? what would their moves be? I'm sure you could make a ton of original characters but the game would lose its charm.

DustyPorViva · #23 07-31-2008, 09:20 PM

Really though... why? Does anyone honestly think someone on Graal has the skill and time to put towards making this type of server? The amount of perfection needed to make it appealing is huge, or else it'll just flop... especially compared to Smash Bros. itself.

Draenin · #24 07-31-2008, 09:47 PM

Yeah, more blatant rip-offs. That's exactly what we need.

Seems like nobody has a creative bone in their body these days.

Inverness · #25 07-31-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

Yeah, more blatant rip-offs. That's exactly what we need.

Seems like nobody has a creative bone in their body these days.

Feel free to enlighten us with your original ideas.

excaliber7388 · #26 08-01-2008, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

Feel free to enlighten us with your original ideas.

Read the blog in his sig.

Inverness · #27 08-01-2008, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Read the blog in his sig.

If there are any unique gameplay ideas in there I haven't found them.

Unpredlctable · #28 07-31-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

Yeah, more blatant rip-offs. That's exactly what we need.

Seems like nobody has a creative bone in their body these days.

hey let's make a server that's like, the legend of zelda except online multiplayer stuff

oh wait

DustyPorViva · #29 07-31-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Unpredlctable

hey let's make a server that's like, the legend of zelda except online multiplayer stuff

oh wait

Well there has yet to be an online Zelda... but Smash Bros. is online now... so why try to offer what's already there.

Unpredlctable · #30 07-31-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Well there has yet to be an online Zelda... but Smash Bros. is online now... so why try to offer what's already there.

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online Zelda

Twinny · #31 08-01-2008, 07:39 AM

Could have a character to represent each server :o

excaliber7388 · #32 08-01-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Twinny

Could have a character to represent each server :o

One guy with too many guns (Era and all Era clones)
One guy with a sword and shield (Classic and all classic clones)
One guy who can cast cool spells (Maloria and all other clones)
So... 3 characters for all the servers on graal?

Crono · #33 08-02-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

One guy who can cast cool spells (Maloria and all other clones)

You mean (Valikorlia and all the other clones). Maloria was a rip of Val 03/04.

xXziroXx · #34 08-02-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

You mean (Valikorlia and all the other clones). Maloria was a rip of Val 03/04.

Maloria is associated with it by more people, though.

Draenin · #35 08-01-2008, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

Feel free to enlighten us with your original ideas.

Already do on a regular basis.

excaliber7388 · #36 08-01-2008, 06:14 AM

Here's one for ya:
Top down
And another:
Side scrolling
Oh, another:
Isometric
And here we go:
Turn based

Seriously, the graal engine is powerful enough to do all of those. People with servers are just too lazy to try anything new.

Draenin · #37 08-01-2008, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

If there are any unique gameplay ideas in there I haven't found them.

Funny, since I can say the same thing about Val. How's all that awesome roleplay going? I bet the NPCs for that are truly works of staggering genius.

Inverness · #38 08-01-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

Funny, since I can say the same thing about Val. How's all that awesome roleplay going? I bet the NPCs for that are truly works of staggering genius.

What makes you think I care if Valikorlia is original or not?

And yes my behind-the-scenes scripts are quite well done. Their awesomeness has yet to be truly appreciated though.

excaliber7388 · #39 08-01-2008, 06:48 AM

Oh, you all up in dat grill

Crono1508 · #40 08-01-2008, 08:38 AM

I rather see a server take similar game style like Final Fantasy III !