DazJenova's update on how the server is

DazJenova · #1 04-06-2008, 07:36 PM

Since this other thread got locked on the unoffical forums, with Demisis editting my posts making me look like an idiot i'll post it on here for you to decide. Look at these facts and as a players view tell me how that these arn't so very true?

Fact is:

1) Server has been the same as 6months ago with slight upgrades as to 100hp which is totally useless if your going to raise the dmg on guns up.
2) Ecomony is far more worse than what it used to be.
3) TSA won't get rid of his inactive staff because he can't be bothered to find suitable replacements which clearly is his job to do.
4) This is not about me or my management because i even tryed to fix the server but it was allready in a mess to begin with and wasen't given the chance to do so, this is about the server and the way staff treat it in general now.
5) Once staff get powers they get very lazy and don't tend to work or do anything for the server anymore because they don't get paid to work for developing and spending their time and dedication.
6) If staff feel that way then leave the server and give people who acually do have the skill and the desire to develop this server for the better.
7) Playercount is acually lower than what it used to be or simply arround the same now that KOTH or Gangwars is being hosted again which myself created gangwars which got alot of population for my era.

So look at the facts and tell me as a player why i shoudn't complain about the status of the server now?

DazJenova · #2 04-06-2008, 08:06 PM

Indeed

Crow · #3 04-06-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DazJenova

1) Server has been the same as 6months ago with slight upgrades as to 100hp which is totally useless if your going to raise the dmg on guns up.

100hp thing adds way more variety to damage. Some things have been changed already, the fully balanced weapons are not yet available though.

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2) Ecomony is far more worse than what it used to be.

You cant just fix the economy out of nowhere.

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3) TSA won't get rid of his inactive staff because he can't be bothered to find suitable replacements which clearly is his job to do.

TSA got rid of inactive staff just a week or two ago.

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4) This is not about me or my management because i even tryed to fix the server but it was allready in a mess to begin with and wasen't given the chance to do so, this is about the server and the way staff treat it in general now.

Huh? I would've put that to the bottom of your post or something..

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5) Once staff get powers they get very lazy and don't tend to work or do anything for the server anymore because they don't get paid to work for developing and spending their time and dedication.

I cant really comment that. Only out of my own point of view (sounds awkward, possibly wrong, but I hope you get what I mean).
Money is not a motivation for me. I script because its fun and I also learn alot. Problem is that I didnt have lots of time for Graal the last few weeks (mostly because of school).

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6) If staff feel that way then leave the server and give people who acually do have the skill and the desire to develop this server for the better.

See above, I guess.

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7) Playercount is acually lower than what it used to be or simply arround the same now that KOTH or Gangwars is being hosted again which myself created gangwars which got alot of population for my era.

"Your Era", ouch, that term hurts. Its hard to fix playercount, you know that.

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So look at the facts and tell me as a player why i shoudn't complain about the status of the server now?

Because you dont have to play Era.

DazJenova · #4 04-07-2008, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Crow

100hp thing adds way more variety to damage. Some things have been changed already, the fully balanced weapons are not yet available though.

You cant just fix the economy out of nowhere.

TSA got rid of inactive staff just a week or two ago.

Huh? I would've put that to the bottom of your post or something..

I cant really comment that. Only out of my own point of view (sounds awkward, possibly wrong, but I hope you get what I mean).
Money is not a motivation for me. I script because its fun and I also learn alot. Problem is that I didnt have lots of time for Graal the last few weeks (mostly because of school).

See above, I guess.

"Your Era", ouch, that term hurts. Its hard to fix playercount, you know that.

Because you dont have to play Era.

Raising the damage on guns with the HP acts exactly the same how it used to be with 2dmg, 1.5dmg etc.

Ecomony has got WORSE much worse than what it used to be.

TSA only got rid of spyder, still inactive staff as in Nuada, Maverick, Gambet, Hyde, Icarus, Uchina and even TSA stated to Wil that the reason he doesen't want to get rid of them is because he can't be bothered to find replacements, which is his job.

Not all staff feel that way yes some acually do work for the fun of it like yourself, dem, mange but the rest don't do jack****.

Yes it's hard to fix playercount but the playercount is much less than what it used to be because there is NO updates and people are getting sick and tired of the same old era it was like 6months ago.

My reign as manager not my era is what i meant, i didn't own era nor does any manager.

I want to play hence why i'm making these assumptions and showing my opinion because players are sick to death of how things are run now it's a complete joke.

TSAdmin · #5 04-07-2008, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DazJenova

Daz's post

Maybe if you had been around, before just deciding to pop up out of nowhere just because it's obviously your hobby to piss me off every time you're around, and compare a lot of today with how it was with you, then say

"Oh, but I'm over that, it's in the past"

when obviously you're NOT over it comes accross as completely pathetic and bitter, you'd probably actually notice what has been done.

So you were removed by Globals for being a crappy manager (Not holding back on it anymore, tired of being kind to you about it), when you say "I'm over it", make sure you really are, because every time you moan to me, it always comes back to that one incident, and I'd say that is fueling you as well as blinding you to what has and hasn't changed, and how/why it has.

Playercount: If we're doing so bad as far as playercount goes, how is it that in the past 3-4 weeks, we've managed to hit the top of the server list in playercount almost every single day? If you're going to moan about our playercount, maybe you should go and check out other servers before you decide to have a go at the highest/second highest playercounting server from this and -end of- last month.

Development: Now, this is something I am getting SERIOUSLY sick of trying to get through your thick skull, and the only reason I'm going to state it for the 500th damn time is because this is not a PM, and there is more than just YOU reading it -:
The most updates the players are seeing right this minute are script based which cannot fully be covered up so as to be fun after the reset, rather than releasing all our levels/graphics/etc before it, only to have the reset come about and people knowing exactly how it's going to be and become furthermore bored faster. So you didn't see that Demisis developed a graphic, or made/fixed a gun to be (re)released. Or that Daisetsu has made ganis for said weapons.

Your assumption is - "If I don't see it happening, it is impossible that anything is happening at all" and quite frankly, no wonder Globals removed you as manager with attitudes like that seemingly surfacing, and your inability to read and comprehend in PMs exactly what I am saying here.

HP System: In actuality, while 10HP limited us to a melee weapon doing 1.5 damage, while a gun also doing 1.5 damage, 100HP DOES do something for us -:
Rather than having a bullet and a blunt instrument doing the exact same damage, we can now entirely seperate melee from gunshot. Melee being of lower damage, while gunshots being around 10x what they were with the 10HP. You need to think with logic, Daz, not just find it and use it to complain more and more.

Economy:
Refer to this post -
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...97#post1383597

I want to play:

SO PLAY. If you don't like it, DON'T PLAY. It's not a life/death decision. Now that the above problem is seemingly under control (About the economy), there's barely anything holding us back from resetting, anymore. I merely didn't want to reset knowing people knew how to screw things up so badly that quickly, and have Era in ruins within 10 minutes of the server being reopened. That's how simple it is by way of why it's taken so long. I wasn't going to LET that happen. What would you have said, then, Daz? The same crap you're saying now.

You have no idea how tempting it was to just lock/delete this thread, simply because I'm sick of playing like a broken record to your ears, only not to be heard yet again, just because you have a problem with me.

Spikedude · #6 04-07-2008, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin

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(This has to be broken into 2 posts because it's long)

ugh. Ok, I wasn't going to post again in this, but in the least offensive way possible, time to rip apart this entire post. First, losing your entire playercount now (I'll get to the 'playercount' issue in a minute) due to nobody seeing updates won't mean they'll all flock back immediately after the reset when you suddenly decide that it's now part of your agenda to release one or two things to entertain people. And not only that, but the fact that the only thing anyone has seen with their own two eyes in the past six months is text saying that the new management is going to delete every development in the past year because you're sick of them. Deleting the best looking guns in the game isn't the answer to solving every problem you have. And I know what your response is, so don't bother saying it. "JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE THE DEVELOPMENTS DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T EXIST!" Ok, I beleive you, you and your staff have been hard at work getting things ready for AFTER the reset, but HOW EXACTLY do you expect to hold players for BEFORE THE RESET so not everyone quits?

now, playercount. "LOOK AT THE PLAYERCOUNT, WE'VE BEEN IN TOP FOREVER NOW!" Era has ALWAYS been on the top 3 and jumping between those 3. So has Zodiac and Unholy Nation. This hasn't changed between the two managements, so don't try to flip this around. Playercount issues isn't whats happened already, it's the fact that many current players who have played for years are getting fed up with the lack of anything new to do.

HP System. You realize that you could have made things do fractions of damage before and it would have done the exact same thing...right? I can multiply things by 10 in my head too. What a great skill!

Spikedude · #7 04-07-2008, 04:45 AM

Economy:
ARE YOU SERIOUSLY BLAMING THE ENTIRE ECONOMY PROBLEM ON DUPING?! Yes, that has become a big issue, but no, that is NOT the cause of the economy sucking to all sorts of extents right now. The fact that Era houses the kinds of people who would gladly spend 12 hours every day sitting in the same spot mining so that they can make the money for a rare gun is. If you want to solve the economy, you need to continuously be taking money out of iit. Whether by having some sort of event that costs money just to enter or something of that sort, you need to be taking money away from players to keep the economy in check. Duping has caused a large portion of the current problems, but it was bad before that as well. Duping was never made public until Meph duped his billion M1s in BH base long after the economy took a steep dump downhill. I'm not suggesting for a second the economy problem is your fault, but don't pin the whole thing on the fact that people dupe. My god.

Your last comment was built completely off of pure ignorance. The fact that you're basing your entire management off of "what I say goes and what the players want will adapt" is definantly coming out in this statement. People who want to play because of the entertainment they used to have are now being shut out because they don't think it's fun anymore. So instead of listening to what they say and attempting to keep the server fun for everyone, you say "if you don't like it, don't play?" As manager, your main job is to make sure the players are having fun and to keep constant communication between the players and staff.

Now for daz, yes, I'm grilling you too.

Constantly pointing out the obvious isn't helping your case. You can say that the economy is bad as many times as you want, the entire server already knows. If you want to try to make your point, you have to explain what's wrong with the economy, how you think you should fix it, and what you think the management is currently doing wrong about it. A lot of what you've said is not at all the fault of TSA or of the management in general.

TSAdmin · #8 04-07-2008, 08:09 AM

I'm sorry to jump in and pick out a single thing to talk about, but there is something I really can't understand about the issue on the whole. New Content. Now, what I don't get about this topic is that there is a lot of complaining in here that there is "No new content", and that the same content for the past 6 years (and yes, it is 6 years, not just in the past 6 months!) is boring people and they don't want to play, okay, fair enough. I see that point, the same thing for 6 years, or even 6 months, can get fairly annoying, yet you shriek and complaing at the idea of new content such as a new GMAP (for a new feel for Era's City-Scape), new Gang stuff (since Era is a pretty much gang/pk-orientated server), and all this stuff... You want new content, but you also don't want things to change... It's becoming a merry-go-round, here.

Twinny · #9 04-07-2008, 08:45 AM

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You want new content, but you also don't want things to change... It's becoming a merry-go-round, here.

I dealt with the same stupid concept on Zodiac

I couldn't even explain what they were telling me....demanding for the hell of it :x

Tigairius · #10 04-07-2008, 09:57 AM

Well, ultimately players rarely know what they want to see, they just want to be entertained. Personally, I was relieved when TSA got manager after Daz's reign of horror. Daz, you don't understand that developing things isn't as easy as, "Okay guys, DO THIS!" It takes the right people, who have time to do it, who can work together, and get things done... which only end up getting done eventually instead of immediately. While you were able to bring up some valid points, for the most part your posts are flooded with ignorance to the situation. Not to mention hiring new developers is a very difficult task as well. You can't just hire anyone off of the street, especially not on a top classic server. You have to be careful of who you hire, and they have to know what they're doing or it ends up making the server look bad. You can't honestly say "the server has been the same for 6months," simply because it hasn't.

Crow · #11 04-07-2008, 03:03 PM

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Well, ultimately players rarely know what they want to see, they just want to be entertained.

Thats the problem. They want to have something to do, but they are pissed when you get completely new content because they dont have the old stuff they all loved so much. Also, when staff/management is changing stuff without always asking players they always cry/send in useless support tickets (thats a rumor, but most likely true). I agree that players should be asked on certain things, or that players should have the option to use something or not (if thats possible!), but there are things that dont require player input, at all, because its too important or the input would be stupid. Or both.

Spikedude · #12 04-07-2008, 08:47 PM

The purpose of the server is to entertain the majority of players. If you do everything without even considering what the players might want, you will start to lose players and therefore the server will fail. And as for the content you upload, the people on the server just want something new to do at all times. Take a look at the most successful game in the country, however much I may hate it, World of Warcraft. They constantly add something new, whether it's a new quest, a new area on the map, a new weapon. Every tuesday, something new will be on the game. They never go back and delete everything from before and redo from the beginning. That's what Era needs to do. We need to consistently update the server with new content, not change or delete what's already there. Maybe one day we'll add a quest and a week later we'll add a new addition to the GMAP with a few new houses and the week after that we'll add a weapon shop with 2 brand new guns and a new hat. These brand new additions will give players that feeling that they need to buy everything to keep up with everyone else, and thus entertainment begins.

Crow · #13 04-07-2008, 09:27 PM

Your point is invalid.

First, WoW doesnt get new content every tuesday, thats bull****.
Second, Blizzard is professional, they know what they do. Of course they dont take away their content again.
And, third: Does Blizzard do what WoW players want? Think about that.

Spikedude · #14 04-07-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow

Your point is invalid.

First, WoW doesnt get new content every tuesday, thats bull****.
Second, Blizzard is professional, they know what they do. Of course they dont take away their content again.
And, third: Does Blizzard do what WoW players want? Think about that.

Ok, first off, that was an example. Second off, every tuesday was an exaggeration, they update multiple times each month. Third, era management is supposed to act as professionals. And fourth, yes, they do what their players want. They add new content for them to use all the time. There's always something new to do. That's why they consistently hold 7 million players.

DazJenova · #15 04-07-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

Well, ultimately players rarely know what they want to see, they just want to be entertained. Personally, I was relieved when TSA got manager after Daz's reign of horror. Daz, you don't understand that developing things isn't as easy as, "Okay guys, DO THIS!" It takes the right people, who have time to do it, who can work together, and get things done... which only end up getting done eventually instead of immediately. While you were able to bring up some valid points, for the most part your posts are flooded with ignorance to the situation. Not to mention hiring new developers is a very difficult task as well. You can't just hire anyone off of the street, especially not on a top classic server. You have to be careful of who you hire, and they have to know what they're doing or it ends up making the server look bad. You can't honestly say "the server has been the same for 6months," simply because it hasn't.

I never said it was easy hence i know exactly how hard it is to find the right people that's exactly what i tryed to do throughout my management so don't get me started there Tig. Amsel i completely agree with the whole issue you raised and the reason why i keep questioning about the server is because someone has to ensure that this server is acually being taken care of and not being abused and used by a bunch of friends which clearly is the case at the moment. It's really fustrating raising these points up over and over because they are problems that exist but what really ticks me off is TSA when someone nnot just myself but anyone else asks these questions you try silence them out or ban them. That's not reasonable at all you should acually communicate to acually resolve the matter and if you can't be bothered to replace your inactive staff then why an earth do you want to manage the server if you wont replace staff that don't even work. I said from the start not all staff are like that some acually do work hard but some take the piss and you sit back and let it happen. I'm not slandering you here but you need to replace those useless staff and find replacement staff even though it's damn well hard to find talent out there you still have to try like i did.

I was constantly harrassed by Vulcan to find new staff if my staff wern't working and had to monitor everyones activity otherwise Vulcan would of had a ***** fit at me, that's what i clearly don't understand why he doesen't do the same for you it's basically like you let your staff do w/e they please and dont do anything to prevent it that's what really ticks me off and that's why i'm the person asking the questions that need answers too. I'm sorry for seeing that i'm being a jackass but i'm clearly doing what is best for the server and what about the abuse i get also TSA you know exactly how much i had while in management because most the things got blamed on myself now even when i log on era there's people like EC or Vulcan pming me saying "failure" i wasen't given the chance to fix the server, i tryed finding the correct staff to help the server out and develop it more but vulcan did what he did. Now can you see from my point why i complain most the time is because nothing gets done about it if your staff are being inactive take care of it and even let the players know why it's taking so long to get one gmap done and a few systems done. That's all i'm saying you act as if everything is ok and when those important questions are asked about how the ecomony or how the state of the server is you simply ignore it or your staff abuse their powers to ban those players to silence them up.

Now to resolve this whole matter i will acually give you credit if you acually do pull off a new reset and new content but like amsel said deleting all the content that was done throughout the years isn't going to help the server, what made chrisz era so fun was because it was entertaining you don't always have to make the server fair and boring.

Crow · #16 04-07-2008, 10:24 PM

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Now to resolve this whole matter i will acually give you credit if you acually do pull off a new reset and new content but like amsel said deleting all the content that was done throughout the years isn't going to help the server, what made chrisz era so fun was because it was entertaining you don't always have to make the server fair and boring.

Fair is needed, and the only content that will actually be completely replaced is the gmap. What currently sucks and isnt fair at all are for example the WW2 guns. They were already weakened, but they are still overpowered.

Last short thing for today *waves*

DazJenova · #17 04-07-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow

Fair is needed, and the only content that will actually be completely replaced is the gmap. What currently sucks and isnt fair at all are for example the WW2 guns. They were already weakened, but they are still overpowered.

Last short thing for today *waves*

True but still those guns are very well designed and there is no need to get rid of them acually try find a way to use them. Even make a war event or some sort that you can pick those guns up and use them insetad of completely trashing work which is completely pointless.

Crow · #18 04-07-2008, 10:27 PM

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True but still those guns are very well designed and there is no need to get rid of them acually try find a way to use them. Even make a war event or some sort that you can pick those guns up and use them insetad of completely trashing work which is completely pointless.

I never said they arent reused

Very last post, I swear! ;o

Eranian · #19 04-08-2008, 06:25 AM

Spikedude, why are you listening to Daz at all?

They aren't getting rid of the WWII guns completely.
Daz doesn't know anything that is happening on the server, he just likes to complain because he's a pom.

War Head has been making an event for a while that will use the WWII guns and a whole bunch of other guns that he created.
There are posts on the unofficial forums about it.

Stop listening to Daz.

Spikedude · #20 04-08-2008, 12:08 PM

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Spikedude, why are you listening to Daz at all?

They aren't getting rid of the WWII guns completely.
Daz doesn't know anything that is happening on the server, he just likes to complain because he's a pom.

War Head has been making an event for a while that will use the WWII guns and a whole bunch of other guns that he created.
There are posts on the unofficial forums about it.

Stop listening to Daz.

I'm sorry, did you miss TSAdmin whole post that literally said "yes, I in fact am deleting WWII guns" like 2 posts ago?

Eranian · #21 04-08-2008, 12:51 PM

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I'm sorry, did you miss TSAdmin whole post that literally said "yes, I in fact am deleting WWII guns" like 2 posts ago?

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I don't mind the idea of an event that uses them, like laser tag uses the laser rifles, but as far as them returning to the Era population, only the people who own one say they would hate if they weren't coming back, and giong by what you were saying "Losing 2 percent is better than losing 98 percent of players", and only a minority believe we should even have these weapons on Era at all, thus, they're not coming back. That's the pure fact.

Crow · #22 04-08-2008, 02:48 PM

I somehow think you dont read the posts clearly Amsel :/ I also stated before in this thread that they arent going to be deleted.

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What I don't understand is for what reason you'd throw away some of the best created guns on the server because the stats got way too powerful before.

Wtf?
If you are talking about the idea -> wtf?
If its about the graphics -> wtf?
The ganis maybe? -> wtf?

What makes them best?

DazJenova · #23 04-08-2008, 06:46 PM

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I somehow think you dont read the posts clearly Amsel :/ I also stated before in this thread that they arent going to be deleted.

Wtf?
If you are talking about the idea -> wtf?
If its about the graphics -> wtf?
The ganis maybe? -> wtf?

What makes them best?

Yes, not obviously by best via stat but GFx wise and Gani wise because they took a long time to develop and amsel put hard work into those gani's and obviously would be annoyed if they are removed just because they were over powered which icarus decided the dmgs on the guns at that time of release of those guns.

Eranian Amsel understands why i complain and feels slightly the same way i see it, i'm not here to ***** all the time all i want is to make sure the server is in good hands and is acually getting developed with people doing their jobs correctly and not slacking off because i got treat very poorly for things that happened so i don't see otherwise tsa shoudn't get the same treatment if his staff not all but some arn't living up to their jobs.

Frankie · #24 04-10-2008, 09:56 PM

It took Daz and Amsel about a month to get the WWII shop up, and you Amsel, are sitting here saying we should be spitting out new content every week. Clearly it takes a lot of time to develop these things. Shut up already.

Spikedude · #25 04-10-2008, 11:05 PM

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It took Daz and Amsel about a month to get the WWII shop up, and you Amsel, are sitting here saying we should be spitting out new content every week. Clearly it takes a lot of time to develop these things. Shut up already.

It took me about an hour to make a gani set.

And in case you didn't read my last post, I don't even care anymore anyways.

Quite Frankly(haha, pun), you should be putting out new content consistently. The WWII shop wasn't the only thing made during that entire time. We made the mp5 navy and the Betting spar complex plus put up The Foundation and that other gang that failed and took down LS as well as a billion other things during that time. The WWII shop was just the main thing that happened.

And I never said Daz was the best manager around either. When I was working there, I found a trillion problems that I was pissed about, which TSAdmin knows because every time I'd start MSNing him about them. I'm not trying to say you're doing a bad job, I'm trying to point out what I think is wrong with what's happening.

If you'd rather just post a big "F U" then go ahead, I don't care.

DazJenova · #26 04-11-2008, 07:04 PM

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It took Daz and Amsel about a month to get the WWII shop up, and you Amsel, are sitting here saying we should be spitting out new content every week. Clearly it takes a lot of time to develop these things. Shut up already.

Wait a second there cowboy, it didn't take a month to release, first of all the gfx and ganis had to be developed then the level and THEN Icarus wanted to wait to release it so don't blame that on me Frankie at all.

TSAdmin · #27 04-12-2008, 02:18 AM

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<<...>>and THEN Icarus wanted to wait to release it so don't blame that on me Frankie at all.

Sorry Daz, and I'm not trying to jump all over your toes (well, maybe a little), but if I were to say something like that, you'd be the first to jump on the "A manager should have the balls to make that decision himself" wagon, and considering at the time Icarus wasn't any higher than LAT/whatever when it was made, did he call the shots, or did you? I'm just putting to you exactly what you'd say to me, and you know it.

DazJenova · #28 04-12-2008, 04:01 AM

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Sorry Daz, and I'm not trying to jump all over your toes (well, maybe a little), but if I were to say something like that, you'd be the first to jump on the "A manager should have the balls to make that decision himself" wagon, and considering at the time Icarus wasn't any higher than LAT/whatever when it was made, did he call the shots, or did you? I'm just putting to you exactly what you'd say to me, and you know it.

Fair enough but you know how Jack is if he doesen't get what he wants he'll go in a huff, and icarus was incharge on guns at the time he wanted to wait to release them not myself.

Spikedude · #29 04-12-2008, 05:21 AM

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Sorry Daz, and I'm not trying to jump all over your toes (well, maybe a little), but if I were to say something like that, you'd be the first to jump on the "A manager should have the balls to make that decision himself" wagon, and considering at the time Icarus wasn't any higher than LAT/whatever when it was made, did he call the shots, or did you? I'm just putting to you exactly what you'd say to me, and you know it.

to be fair, he was under PWA supervision at the time and having icarus flip out and leave the staff team would have been just enough to get him fired, which did happen a couple months later.

Eranian · #30 04-12-2008, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikedude

to be fair, he was under PWA supervision at the time and having icarus flip out and leave the staff team would have been just enough to get him fired, which did happen a couple months later.

Does anybody have the date that Daz became manager and the date that he got fired?

TSAdmin · #31 04-12-2008, 07:26 AM

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to be fair, he was under PWA supervision at the time and having icarus flip out and leave the staff team would have been just enough to get him fired, which did happen a couple months later.

Hypothetics: If Icarus were to flip out and leave my staff team, today, and if I were under PWA supervision while it was happening, I don't see how him leaving could possibly reflect upon the Manager.

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Someone can choose to leave - and how/why they leave is just how/why they leave, you can't tell them to stay and expect them to obey - but I doubt any PWA with half a brain would sit back and say something like:

"Hmm, <name> left, the Manager should be punished!"