Im making graal...

theHAWKER · #1 03-11-2007, 09:20 AM

If i am making graal a cool game, should we be getting payed?

napo_p2p · #2 03-11-2007, 09:24 AM

No. In fact, you're the one paying to use Graal's game engine.

Mandangop2p · #3 03-15-2007, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by napo_p2p

No. In fact, you're the one paying to use Graal's game engine.

Exactly..

killerogue · #4 03-11-2007, 09:32 AM

How about correcting your grammar please?

Also, there are some globals getting paid, or were. Regular players don't HAVE to do this so they don't HAVE to pay us. Ever think about that?

Googi · #5 03-11-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

Also, there are some globals getting paid

I hope not. Globals contribute far less to Graal than the development talent does.

Anyways, it isn't fiscally feasible for Graal to pay developers, so you don't get paid.

smirt362 · #6 03-11-2007, 09:45 AM

Part of the fun of Graal is creating your own content and seeing your ideas come to life. So why would they pay you for that?

Crono · #7 03-11-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by smirt362

Part of the fun of Graal is creating your own content and seeing your ideas come to life. So why would they pay you for that?

...think about what you just said. Who made UN, Zodiac, Era, Delteria, Valikorlia, Npulse, Atlantis, and the original Zone? Not Graal Online, it was players.

Obviously Graal Online is making money off of the people behind these servers. I'm not saying people should be payed to develop, I'm just saying thats what they should be payed for if theres any reason.

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I hope not. Globals contribute far less to Graal than the development talent does.

Only the GM gets payed, I think thats Ibonic at the moment. Before it was Spark.

smirt362 · #8 03-11-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

...think about what you just said. Who made UN, Zodiac, Era, Delteria, Valikorlia, Npulse, Atlantis, and the original Zone? Not Graal Online, it was players.

Obviously Graal Online is making money off of the people behind these servers. I'm not saying people should be payed to develop, I'm just saying thats what they should be payed for if theres any reason.

Not only would they lose money if they paid people, but those others didn't have to create content. That's just part of the game, besides Second Life and Furcadia don't pay their players to make content...and thats all they basically have.

Crono · #9 03-11-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by smirt362

Not only would they lose money if they paid people, but those others didn't have to create content. That's just part of the game, besides Second Life and Furcadia don't pay their players to make content...and thats all they basically have.

I know.

Sam · #10 03-11-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by smirt362

Part of the fun of Graal is creating your own content and seeing your ideas come to life. So why would they pay you for that?

Yes, you are right. Nobody force somebody to develop anything you do it because you want to do it.

Elk · #11 03-11-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by theHAWKER

If i am making graal a cool game, should we be getting payed?

You could try to sell it to cyberjouers

Admins · #12 03-11-2007, 02:51 PM

The calculation is simple: the money people pay for playing your server minus hosting minus administration minus developing the server minus developing the client minus providing website for download and forums for communication = means right now it's not possible to pay anything to people doing content for a server. If you enjoy making Graal games in your spar time then do it, if you feel like you need to be payed and don't enjoy making the content then don't do it.

Googi · #13 03-11-2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

The calculation is simple: the money people pay for playing your server minus hosting minus administration minus developing the server minus developing the client minus providing website for download and forums for communication = means right now it's not possible to pay anything to people doing content for a server. If you enjoy making Graal games in your spar time then do it, if you feel like you need to be payed and don't enjoy making the content then don't do it.

So stop paying Ibonic (if you are paying him).

Minoc · #14 03-11-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

So stop paying Ibonic (if you are paying him).

Ibonic is unique.

Googi · #15 03-12-2007, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Minoc

Ibonic is unique.

Unique because he's the only one getting paid? He's a good guy, no doubt, but it's not like he's so vital to Graal that paying him is justified.

Minoc · #16 03-12-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Unique because he's the only one getting paid? He's a good guy, no doubt, but it's not like he's so vital to Graal that paying him is justified.

Unique because his job is different, you can't compare him to regular developers or global admins that hardly do anything.

Shotoo2 · #17 03-12-2007, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

If you enjoy making Graal games in your spar time then do it

But I enjoy sparring during my spar time.

CidNight1142 · #18 03-12-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

The calculation is simple: the money people pay for playing your server minus hosting minus administration minus developing the server minus developing the client minus providing website for download and forums for communication = means right now it's not possible to pay anything to people doing content for a server. If you enjoy making Graal games in your spar time then do it, if you feel like you need to be payed and don't enjoy making the content then don't do it.

Its nice to see the truth instead of a guilt trip. How many times have we been told that we're being greedy or not really enjoying the spirit of the game.

Here Stefan lays the real truth down:
We Can't Afford It.

Mandangop2p · #19 03-15-2007, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

The calculation is simple: the money people pay for playing your server minus hosting minus administration minus developing the server minus developing the client minus providing website for download and forums for communication = means right now it's not possible to pay anything to people doing content for a server. If you enjoy making Graal games in your spar time then do it, if you feel like you need to be payed and don't enjoy making the content then don't do it.

GO GET THEM STEFAN

Elk · #20 03-11-2007, 02:55 PM

go stefan go :P

BigBear3 · #21 03-11-2007, 02:56 PM

Sauced!

Devil · #22 03-11-2007, 03:03 PM

Lol Stefan is actually correct, ah well, pwnt.

Sum41Freeeeek · #23 03-11-2007, 03:08 PM

If your server is successful enough and you make it onto classic, I believe you don't have to pay money for the server, so I guess that would be better than nothing :O

Felix_Xenophobe · #24 03-11-2007, 06:23 PM

i want money 4 my good (rly good i meen) gfxis! if i spend many times 4 do gfxis i ern myself irl money i think you should payment!!!!!!!!!!!!

Angel_Light · #25 03-12-2007, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Felix_Xenophobe

i want money 4 my good (rly good i meen) gfxis! if i spend many times 4 do gfxis i ern myself irl money i think you should payment!!!!!!!!!!!!

What? Type real words... Your never going to get paid with that grammar. :o

Elk · #26 03-15-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Felix_Xenophobe

i want money 4 my good (rly good i meen) gfxis! if i spend many times 4 do gfxis i ern myself irl money i think you should payment!!!!!!!!!!!!

that made me laugh =)!

Shaun · #27 03-15-2007, 04:48 PM

Oh Kaimetsu...

I used to know him back before a lot of you probably did on Bhala's AllGraal Inc forums.

I liked to pretend to disagree with him just to get a rise out of him.

theHAWKER · #28 03-11-2007, 08:45 PM

But, if we stoped making stuff for graal, no one would play, no one would buy t-shirts, no one would buy mugs, on one would buy p2p, no one would play...

Crono · #29 03-11-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by theHAWKER

But, if we stoped making stuff for graal, no one would play, no one would buy t-shirts, no one would buy mugs, on one would buy p2p, no one would play...

How the hell do you think Graal started?

And how many people actually buy shirts/mugs to begin with? Also people would just move to classic/GK/Zone.

killerogue · #30 03-11-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by theHAWKER

But, if we stoped making stuff for graal, no one would play, no one would buy t-shirts, no one would buy mugs, on one would buy p2p, no one would play...

Even if all developers just stopped. People would still play. New people would still come.

Alot of what you're saying just isn't sensible.

syltburk · #31 03-12-2007, 12:30 AM

i have 5 mugs

Torankusu · #32 03-12-2007, 04:26 AM

sometime's it's not about money, it's more about the cause and the fun.

DustyPorViva · #33 03-12-2007, 11:18 PM

Are you making Graal, or is Graal making you.

Ravenblade1979 · #34 03-13-2007, 02:59 PM

OK it comes down to this. You pay for a account which uses their bandwidth. So when you purchase space to make your own server the bandwidth increases with it, plus the server space etc (stefan said it earlier). Why would you expect to get paid for doing something your merely using at a cost per year (kinda like a rental). It just don't make sense.

If you bought a gold/vip account, bought the space for your server and w/e else then don't expect to get paid...your merely renting the space for this from Cyberjourers and I don't think you a) realize this or b)care.

If your doing this then do it for fun, to see your ideas come to life. And besides you could always bug the owner of the server that your working on for a few items if you feel you should be paid for your time.

DustyPorViva · #35 03-13-2007, 03:13 PM

I think his defense is that he's 'making Graal' by being the reason anyone plays Graal... The only servers I think can even fit that description would be UN and Era.

Ravenblade1979 · #36 03-13-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by theHAWKER

If i am making graal a cool game, should we be getting payed?

Your making ur own server right? you kinda didn't say what you were doing here to make it cool.

Inverness · #37 03-13-2007, 10:39 PM

I certainly don't mind not getting paid, I enjoy creating things. I plan to go into the video game development industry and Graal is letting me test my creativity and ideas.

Infernix · #38 03-13-2007, 11:21 PM

lol this is why I go on forums, people can argue over such meaningless things.

Inspiration · #39 03-15-2007, 05:38 AM

Kai could argue anything for two simple reasons:

-He was resourceful

-He was highly skilled in using language to his advantage

He probably went into a lot of arugements lacking many facts, and I'm sure people often knew more about topics than him, but he was not afraid to do the proper research needed.

I think he stated once that he's much better at debates online than in person, and that supports his two strengths. Time to research the topic, and time to word everything just right to make his points seem unbreakable.

Googi · #40 03-15-2007, 06:04 AM

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Kai could argue anything for two simple etc etc etc.

This kind of thing isn't entirely wrong, but misses some important things and suggests that what we do on these forums is something that can be conflated with the so-called "sport" of "debating", or even worse, that we're just using some kind of linguistic "trick".

"Research" is kind of important but not nearly important as developing your rationality/analytical ability. I Googled way more back when I sucked (because I knew that I sucked) than I do now and I still sucked. To the extent linguistic ability is important, it's only important insofar as it allows you to put the "products of rationality" into appropriate words.