Tutorials

[cbk1994]

I've been trying to improve my level making skills recently (hoping the collab will help a bit), and I'm trying to figure out how to make cliffs. I have never been able to do this.

I have been looking at this tutorial: http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...threadid=47797

Yet it seems to be leaving out some steps.

Perhaps now that we have a new moderator who has brought light to these forums, someone could make a better tutorial, or explain to me how to make cliffs?

EDIT: With trial and error, I've gotten this far (see attachment). I'm stuck as to what to do now. I will try in the morning to fix this by looking at other levels people have made. Note this ISN'T for the collab, just a test.

[Deas_Voice]

yes cliffs r hard, im improving it too'
to me it seems like you had grass there but then added sand

EDIT: then i look thought that tutorial i see that he is using a tile u might forgot?

[Imperialistic]

It seems like there is no tiles for it, but they are there. Trust me

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Deas_Voice

EDIT: then i look thought that tutorial i see that he is using a tile u might forgot?

Which one? There are a few tiles I don't have.

[Crono]

Can you post the level? I'll do a step-by-step fix and post screens.

Perhaps now that we have a new moderator who has brought light to these forums, someone could make a better tutorial, or explain to me how to make cliffs?

I'm actually going to make tutorials starting from the bare basics to advanced stuff over the summer.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Crono

Can you post the level? I'll do a step-by-step fix and post screens.

Sure, thanks!

I'm actually going to make tutorials starting from the bare basics to advanced stuff over the summer.

Yay for the levels forum!

[Crono]

Alright, let's start from the bottom. A lot of the answers to cliffing puzzles are actually in the pre-defined tiles. Below is a useful one.



From this we can cut out the following...



That is the basic pattern. In the situation below (where you turn the cliff that way), the skinny part goes in first, as shown.



Following after it is the fat part, which you already had, which is then followed by another skinny part. This makes the pattern you saw on the pre-defined one.



This next point is minor but the base tiles of that pre-defined cliff I slapped onto the level should be used on your cliff. Like so...



Now, the problem with the side is that your last straight one was chopped in half! Move the whole thing after the chopped part up by one tile...



And fit the missing half...



The blocky sand tile-error can be fixed by going into your tileset and picking the tile I have highlighted. Place it where those blocky things are and you'll get a smooth cliff.



You probably know about the shadows but I pointed out where the tile is on the tileset anyway, which gets you to this nearly error-free cliff.



These last few are a lot easier than the confusing lines make it look.

Now, the base after it curves needs this special tile. Once again, pre-defined tiles own.



Now we just fix the rest of the base tiles...



Which leaves us with this tile-error free cliff!



I know it's a bit long and possibly confusing/boring but my real tutorials won't be like this. This is just a quick fix for you cbk1994.

[cbk1994]

Thanks! That helped a lot!

I am now completely stuck on the transitions I tried to make (I don't know how to describe them :o).

Care to explain?

PS: Why did whoever made pics1 lay the tiles out in such a weird way? To confuse me?

[Deas_Voice]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

PS: Why did whoever made pics1 lay the tiles out in such a weird way? To confuse me?

yeah i wonder..

[Crow]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

PS: Why did whoever made pics1 lay the tiles out in such a weird way? To confuse me?

You can blame that on Stefan. The pics1 tiles are ordered after the Zelda Online ones, which were ordered by Stefan (as far as I know...but tbh, who else would have done that).

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

whoever made pics1

You know, I was just thinking a few hours ago, and I've always wondered this: Who "made" pics1.png? (Hopefully Stefan will provide some sort of answer or something.)

[Deas_Voice]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

You know, I was just thinking a few hours ago, and I've always wondered this: Who "made" pics1.png? (Hopefully Stefan will provide some sort of answer or something.)

alot of us wonder who made pics1.png

[Crono]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Thanks! That helped a lot!

Np.

I am now completely stuck on the transitions I tried to make (I don't know how to describe them :o).

To be fair there's no real way to do those. Everyone has their own way of doing it. I'll fix some of the errors then finally show the different ways.

First we start with the shadows and corners. There are two shadow tiles, and two corner tiles for each direction.

As you can see, you did the shadows on the right correctly. It's just the corner which needs to be corrected. On the left side, I think I made it clear enough.



Below are 2 things I sometimes do with that cliff direction.



I recommend the one circled in green...



All you need to do is push the tile I circled in red up to the tile I circled in green.



Will look like this in the end.



(a few of those screenshots were kinda mis-cropped in paint, didnt notice until looking through them again. oh well)

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Crow

You can blame that on Stefan. The pics1 tiles are ordered after the Zelda Online ones, which were ordered by Stefan (as far as I know...but tbh, who else would have done that).

Type-1 just seems to make so much more sense.

It's kinda weird how water, lava, jump, blocking, and non-blocking are all mixed together.

EDIT: Crono posted right before me, I will try that now. Thanks!

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Crono

Np.



To be fair there's no real way to do those. Everyone has their own way of doing it. I'll fix some of the errors then finally show the different ways.

First we start with the shadows and corners. There are two shadow tiles, and two corner tiles for each direction.

As you can see, you did the shadows on the right correctly. It's just the corner which needs to be corrected. On the left side, I think I made it clear enough.

Attachment 44833

Below are 2 things I sometimes do with that cliff direction.

Attachment 44834

I recommend the one circled in green...

Attachment 44835

All you need to do is push the tile I circled in red up to the tile I circled in green.

Attachment 44836

Will look like this in the end.

Attachment 44837

(a few of those screenshots were kinda mis-cropped in paint, didnt notice until looking through them again. oh well)

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Thanks a ton Crono!

Attached are my results ;o

[Crono]

Haha.

There's only one error. On the top left you see that bit that is pointing out? Fixed by using the top left of the corners I used.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Crono

Haha.

There's only one error. On the top left you see that bit that is pointing out? Fixed by using the top left of the corners I used.

Okay, I fixed that! Thanks!

[DustyPorViva]

Stefan made pics1. I already asked in another thread. He did the original one with the plain grass. Koni did the new grass and the revamped version we saw with the release of 2k1(the current pics1).

[Crono]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Stefan made pics1. I already asked in another thread. He did the original one with the plain grass. Koni did the new grass and the revamped version we saw with the release of 2k1(the current pics1).

I think the current pics1.png came out way after 2k1 was released. Unless 2k1 was released late 2001, then yeah you're right.

[DustyPorViva]

I'm not sure on the exact dates, to be honest.

Originally Posted by Crono

To be fair there's no real way to do those. Everyone has their own way of doing it. I'll fix some of the errors then finally show the different ways.

Heh, this is what I was telling you I made custom tiles for on msn, just for this to tile correctly.

[Imperialistic]

Crono is the best cliff editor I know. He does really good cliffs, he taught me!