PKing

Zero Hour · #1 05-24-2005, 03:20 AM

Personally, I feel that repeated PKing is harrassment, and that if I were an admin and someone were being repeatedly PKed I would punish the PKer (I'm not an admin, so don't worry).

Discuss

Gambet · #2 05-24-2005, 03:47 AM

As Kai said, when you go into bmode, you lose the protected "security" you had as when you were in pmode. Although the high level oldbies will pick on nearly everyone that goes into bmode, its really your responsibility on going bmode or not. Personally, I hate it when I turn bmode and five minutes later im forced back to pmode because the oldbies kill me for no reason.

Raziel · #3 05-24-2005, 03:59 AM

I've been the target of constant pking before, and staff didn't seem to care (bc i tried to call it harassment). It would be kind of unfair, I guess, to limit who can pk who and how many times. And, as has been mentioned, there is a reason for pmode and bmode. The trading rooms, though, are a different story. Those should be no pk.

GryffonDurime · #4 05-24-2005, 04:24 AM

Until such time as Experience gains are equal on pmode and bmode, yes, Pking is harrasment; pmode or no pmode.

Googi · #5 05-24-2005, 04:39 AM

Trade house should be made a non-PK zone.

Yeah, a little bit off-topic, but I've been trying to get this done for a while.

Kaimetsu · #6 05-24-2005, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Until such time as Experience gains are equal on pmode and bmode, yes, Pking is harrasment; pmode or no pmode.

You just don't get it, do you? Why should staff punish players for doing something if the game has been deliberately designed to allow it?

Splke · #7 05-24-2005, 05:31 AM

Lance previously established official rules on Harrassment, as far as PKing goes.

If it is repeated spawn killing, or Arena killing making the player unable to play, or making it impossible for him to move, it is harrassment ~

Or something to that effect.

xAndrewx · #8 05-24-2005, 07:33 AM

People who try to harass me:
Mike (Snow): witknoijn (sp?, account) ---Dustari
Maroku (sp?): Nature2 (account) --- Pirates
They both try, but don't assonate me. I'm normally on my Zormite tag when I'm being PK'd. (I'm always on my Zormite tag when I play GK)
Either way, yes I would like it to stop, but I can't class it as harassment because they haven’t killed me.
Having -9 AC is good, brings life back into GK. It does get quite hard though trying to play while being attacked. I can see people saying 'Get more AC’; well it's quite hard to get EAs these day. But I choose to make GK fun for myself, even if it's classed as harassment.

Chris · #9 05-24-2005, 07:41 AM

PKing, I don't mind.

Being raped by some level 110 ass that USDs his or her items while logging on and not being able to fight back or run before the client fully loads, sucks.

I personally can't break -70 to -90 ac yet. Not everyone USDs their items or abuses the level 107 scroll reading to level uber high.

xAndrewx · #10 05-24-2005, 07:50 AM

I can reach -30 wc without any gloves. Pretty cool.

Craigus · #11 05-24-2005, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

PKing, I don't mind.

Being raped by some level 110 ass that USDs his or her items while logging on and not being able to fight back or run before the client fully loads, sucks.

I personally can't break -70 to -90 ac yet. Not everyone USDs their items or abuses the level 107 scroll reading to level uber high.

Anything involving litracy should only raise your mental level, i can kill a few level 110's quite easily yet i am only level 52 and am mainly phys

Sam · #12 05-24-2005, 08:11 PM

A simple pking is not the point. The point is if someone constantly follows someone else to pk that person, that is harassment. And if he wont stop it after repeated asking, he gets a punishing.
And pillorys are also a part of the game and has been deliberately designed to allow staff to warn troublemakers.
Annotation: I am getting a lot of PM's when I am online, because player asking me for help aso. So I cannot always act quickly in the game. If some ppl don't want to accept my askings they have to count that they get a punishing. I am Admin and also GP on GK and if I ask you to stop, and you don't, I have the right to take action....read the graal rules, you will find it in there.

XGoLink · #13 05-24-2005, 08:50 PM

Its your own decission to go into b-mode and your not a admin..

Kaimetsu · #14 05-24-2005, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

A simple pking is not the point. The point is if someone constantly follows someone else to pk that person, that is harassment

Define "constantly".

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And pillorys are also a part of the game and has been deliberately designed to allow staff to warn troublemakers

That's not at issue. We're discussing the criteria for labelling somebody as a 'troublemaker'.

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I am Admin and also GP on GK and if I ask you to stop, and you don't, I have the right to take action....read the graal rules, you will find it in there.

Legally and from the player's perspective, you have the right and the ability to withdraw service. But is it part of your job description? Do you realise that your argument could apply to any number of corrupt actions? Nemesis had all the necessary rights to delete dozens of game accounts. Does that mean he wasn't corrupt for doing it?

Crono · #15 05-24-2005, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Trade house should be made a non-PK zone.

Yeah, a little bit off-topic, but I've been trying to get this done for a while.

Yeah, why the hell is it a pk zone?

DrkXFactr · #16 05-24-2005, 09:02 PM

PKing is not harrassment. Like Argo says, if you sit and spawn kill, rep. then yeah, that could be considered harrassment.. But what Deo did to Sam yesterday, was simply attack him a couple times. That's NOT harrassment.

Splke · #17 05-24-2005, 09:07 PM

I think ZH was trying to avoid this fist-fight, blame Sam for abusing power thing.

However, it's unavoidable. Either explain yourself without saying "Pillory is made for us to punish you" or don't.

Let me also note out, that if you choose to be on B-Mode without a (GK Staff) tag on, you should not be able to use your outside powers to interfere with Gameplay. If you can't take being killed (eg, gameplay), then you need to remain on your Staff tag and abide by rules of the staff tag - don't interfere with people's gameplay, eg : no killing players, no interfering in PK wars, blah blah blah.

I'm sure you were told all of this before, right?? ^_^

Zero Hour · #18 05-24-2005, 10:40 PM

This issue can be dealt better amongst the admins - then Sam doesn't have his "enemies" saying "SAM IS R LOSER" and he doesn't have his friends saying "SAM IS R KING OF U", that's all. I made a private thread for Stefan and such to read, so don't think it's not being addressed. Please stay on the topic of PKing as a form of harrassment x-x

Recently a person who is lvl 110 went AFK for about half an hour. While (s)he was AFK (s)he was killed many, many, many times and lost 16k plat and 257diamonds. How? The person killing him/her used flaming aura which is a pretty... er... lame spell. Man, think how many times (s)he had to be PKed until (s)he lost 16k and 257diamonds! That's a lot of PKing; harrassment in my mind.

Nappa · #19 05-24-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

This issue can be dealt better amongst the admins - then Sam doesn't have his "enemies" saying "SAM IS R LOSER" and he doesn't have his friends saying "SAM IS R KING OF U", that's all. I made a private thread for Stefan and such to read, so don't think it's not being addressed. Please stay on the topic of PKing as a form of harrassment x-x

Recently a person who is lvl 110 went AFK for about half an hour. While (s)he was AFK (s)he was killed many, many, many times and lost 16k plat and 257diamonds. How? The person killing him/her used flaming aura which is a pretty... er... lame spell. Man, think how many times (s)he had to be PKed until (s)he lost 16k and 257diamonds! That's a lot of PKing; harrassment in my mind.

If they wanted to make a pause feature, they should of added it in. Also, losing that amount of money isn't that hard. She will lose 440 plat each death, and every time she dies she does not start out with full health. She could die pretty quick every time, in quick succession. Wouldn't take that long.

Zero Hour · #20 05-24-2005, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nappa

If they wanted to make a pause feature, they should of added it in. Also, losing that amount of money isn't that hard. She will lose 440 plat each death, and every time she dies she does not start out with full health. She could die pretty quick every time, in quick succession. Wouldn't take that long.

Dude, that's a lot of purposefull killing. Yea, but basically anywhere you go you can be PKed, right? So if you go AFK for 15 minutes you're ****ed. Anyways, I'm mostly talking about the whole repeatedly killing dealio.

Googi · #21 05-24-2005, 11:14 PM

What's up with not starting at full health after you die anyways?

Nappa · #22 05-24-2005, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Dude, that's a lot of purposefull killing. Yea, but basically anywhere you go you can be PKed, right? So if you go AFK for 15 minutes you're ****ed. Anyways, I'm mostly talking about the whole repeatedly killing dealio.

It is. But that is some peoples only way of making money, I wouldn't call it harrassment. Back in the old days of 2k1 when hats first came out, The only way I could get a gralat to my name was chasing rich people down and killing them.

Nappa · #23 05-24-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

What's up with not starting at full health after you die anyways?

They want to make it easier for you to die again ? Don't know.

Zero Hour · #24 05-24-2005, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nappa

Back in the old days of 2k1 when hats first came out, The only way I could get a gralat to my name was chasing rich people down and killing them.

Haha, that's actually pretty funny

But seriously, 16K plat wasn't enough so he went in for another 257 diamonds? Jesus H. Christ.

Nappa · #25 05-24-2005, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Haha, that's actually pretty funny

But seriously, 16K plat wasn't enough so he went in for another 257 diamonds? Jesus H. Christ.

After the plat is gone, diamonds will drop. Oh, and when they drop, do they drop. She probably dropped 50+ diamonds each death.

Zero Hour · #26 05-24-2005, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nappa

After the plat is gone, diamonds will drop. Oh, and when they drop, do they drop. She probably dropped 50+ diamonds each death.

Well, I suppose when opportunity knocks... but still, that was super selfish and cruel.

Nappa · #27 05-24-2005, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Well, I suppose when opportunity knocks... but still, that was super selfish and cruel.

One time I got 30 diamonds off some random guy in the trade center. If I knew where his death point was, I surely would of followed him there and killed him many a times. Free money. Hey, if you don't want the risk of losing it all, get out of battle mode.

Zero Hour · #28 05-24-2005, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nappa

One time I got 30 diamonds off some random guy in the trade center. If I knew where his death point was, I surely would of followed him there and killed him many a times. Free money. Hey, if you don't want the risk of losing it all, get out of battle mode.

Selfish people suck, none the less.

Fr0chin · #29 05-25-2005, 01:08 AM

*Breaths In*

Here we go.

PKing is part of the game, thats the way it goes. Bmode is made for players who would like to fight each other. There are times where I have lost alot of gems, did I cry, no. It happens and it sucks, but its life. If you do not want to run the risk don't go Bmode. As for repeated killing, yeah it is not cool but no one forces you to go into Bmode, don't go AFK if you don't want to die. It is nearly impossible to die when you are not AFK unless you decide to stay and fight. There were times when I was Bmode and Vash and his buddy would chase me all over GK owning me. I don't remember staff coming to my rescue, what did I do? GOT STRONGER!!! OMG WHAT A GREAT IDEA. No because its part of the game if I wanted to be safe I would have gone Pmode. Sam you know that I get along with you but I have never even seen you hurt anyone, and if this is the case you are using Bmode for the EXP which is fine but it comes at a price. Deo was playing just as fair as anyone else, there is no reason for a pillroy unless the rules are broken and they were not.

Zero Hour · #30 05-25-2005, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Fr0chin

*Breaths In*

Dude you totally forgot to exhale. That's bad.

Anyways, this isn't about lost gems, and the person in question is 110, how the Hell do you expect him/her to get stronger?

Like, woa. Make sense.

Anyways, this is about repeated PKing and hunting people down so that they're at their spawn and you're owning them like a 2 year old in a boxing match.

Seriously, it's a pretty straight forward topic.

Fr0chin · #31 05-25-2005, 01:31 AM

I am level 110 and you may ask around the server if you would like I am much stronger than I was when I got to level 110, so as for your question that should be the answer. Considering I got the guy who used to kill me with ease when I couldn't hit him, down to 26 health last night I would say that settles that point.

Further more, like I said Bmode is a risk. I have been trying to kill EndlessX for weeks now because he PKs friends of mine all the time and he just logs when he is close to death. So like I said there are ways around dying.

DrkXFactr · #32 05-25-2005, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Anyways, this isn't about lost gems, and the person in question is 110, how the Hell do you expect him/her to get stronger?

Like, woa. Make sense.

Seriously, it's a pretty straight forward topic.

Like whoa, he made perfect sense.

Everybody can get stronger. I guarantee to you, nobody is level 107 magic/wisdom/phys, on the game. Thus, everyone has a place for improvement. Being base level 110, means nothing anymore.

But, ZH, you ARE correct. this is a pretty straight forward topic. The message that everyone is trying to get to you is simple. Don't go b-mode, if you don't want to handle the consequences.

Zero Hour · #33 05-25-2005, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fr0chin

Further more, like I said Bmode is a risk. I have been trying to kill EndlessX for weeks now because he PKs friends of mine all the time and he just logs when he is close to death. So like I said there are ways around dying.

Yea, if you're not... like... AFK?

Chris · #34 05-25-2005, 01:45 AM

Pking/hunting people down and constantly pking doesn't bother me. That's a risk you have to take. The only thing that annoys me beyond belief is when I log on and some tard pks me before my client can load. I just hate that. Anything else, I probably had coming. Right Drk?

Zero Hour · #35 05-25-2005, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DrkXFactr

The message that everyone is trying to get to you is simple. Don't go b-mode, if you don't want to handle the consequences.

Yea, but I mean... this is a very valid situation, in fact it's an example.

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Originally Posted by Chris

The only thing that annoys me beyond belief is when I log on and some tard pks me before my client can load. I just hate that. Anything else, I probably had coming. Right Drk?

That's weird, man. When I log on I'm always Paused until I focus on the screen again.

DrkXFactr · #36 05-25-2005, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Yea, if you're not... like... AFK?

1. Go B-mode. 2. Go AFK.

Sounds like a good plan to me. If you do that, and you get pk'd and lose your stuff, that's your problem. You took the risk of going B-mode and going AFK.

Refer to Newton's 3rd law, ZH.

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

Going B-mode and then choosing to go afk, while leaving the client going, was that person's action, and being pk'd repetitively, thus, losing their plat/gems, was the reaction.

Chris · #37 05-25-2005, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

That's weird, man. When I log on I'm always Paused until I focus on the screen again.

Lucky bas... I mean, I wish it was like that for me.

Zero Hour · #38 05-25-2005, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DrkXFactr

1. Go B-mode. 2. Go AFK.

Sounds like a good plan to me. If you do that, and you get pk'd and lose your stuff, that's your problem. You took the risk of going B-mode and going AFK.

Huh? This isn't about me. I'm not level 110. If your mom is like "<yourname> get the **** down here NOW!" would you be like "Yea one sec ma, need to go to CP and get into P mode!"?

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Refer to Newton's 3rd law, ZH.

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

Dude, you realize that's physics?

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Going B-mode and then choosing to go afk, while leaving the client going, was that person's action, and being pk'd repetitively, thus, losing their plat/gems, was the reaction.

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Huh? This isn't about me. I'm not level 110. If your mom is like "<yourname> get the **** down here NOW!" would you be like "Yea one sec ma, need to go to CP and get into P mode!"?

DrkXFactr · #39 05-25-2005, 02:03 AM

1. *clicks exit+enter* OMG 2HARD4ULELOL

2. Indeed, but it also goes for everything else. Action==>reaction.

Say a level 30 walks up to Juggernaut, right outside trade. Both players in B-mode, the level 30 shoots a large bullet at Juggernaut. That's his action. The reaction would be Juggernaut slicing the level 30 to pieces.

Zero Hour · #40 05-25-2005, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DrkXFactr

1. *clicks exit+enter* OMG 2HARD4ULELOL

2. Indeed, but it also goes for everything else. Action==>reaction.

Say a level 30 walks up to Juggernaut, right outside trade. Both players in B-mode, the level 30 shoots a large bullet at Juggernaut. That's his action. The reaction would be Juggernaut slicing the level 30 to pieces.

No way dude, I could probably bring Juggernaut to 1HP and he wouldn't touch me.

action==!reaction.

Yea, you could exit, but depending on your mother's tone that may be the farthest thing from your mind