Speaking to the Experts

Idrox0 · #1 11-02-2003, 04:37 AM

I just wanna make a speech to those who think I lie about how I script and my skill at it. One day... I was searching for a good online RPG to play, and graal caught my eye. I was totally hooked on it and downloaded almost instantly. One of the big reasons was because you could make your own levels, people, and weapons. I aoutomatically started scripting... doing simple stuff like a 4-way bow, and fun explosion stuff... I learned about variables and flags... and I want to say that I'm not perfect. No one is. I script, and I'm happy. I go to these forums and I ask questions. I am still learning, and so is everyone else, no matter how good you are or think you are. So please... do not judge me by what I don't know, but by what I do know. I was new once, and so were all of you. You asked questions, and you got answers. I want to say that I want answers too. Kaimetsu is one of the greatest guys I've met. Not just his ability to script, but his knowledge and meaning for it. I want to become a great scripter, and I hope you will help me on the journey there.

Lance · #2 11-02-2003, 04:45 AM

Idrox0 · #3 11-02-2003, 05:02 AM

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Originally posted by Lance

Exactly what is that supposed to mean?

ZeLpH_MyStiK · #4 11-02-2003, 05:08 AM

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Originally posted by Idrox0

Exactly what is that supposed to mean?

What do you think it means? It means

, no im just kidding, it means nice speech, and etc.

Lance · #5 11-02-2003, 05:21 AM

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Originally posted by Idrox0

Exactly what is that supposed to mean?

It means

. It does not mean

or

.

Working towards self-improvement's a good want, and I wish you good luck in learning more scripting.

Goboom · #6 11-02-2003, 05:57 AM

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Originally posted by Lance

It means . It does not mean or .

LOL, that twas funny.
Idrox0, good luck! How good are you as of now?

Idrox0 · #7 11-02-2003, 07:25 AM

Well, I'm not going to use "pretty good", as that would confuse you

! But I am an adequate scripter, and I currently know slightly advanced string storage and access, as I have learned that variables do not stay the same value when reconnecting. I don't want to work for a server, but I would like to know the "basics" of clientside/serverside so that if I am ever needed, I will be of good assistance. I have and idea... give me 3 ideas of scripts, each at a different level of scripting, and I will tell you if I could script it.

Dach · #8 11-02-2003, 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by Idrox0
give me 3 ideas of scripts, each at a different level of scripting, and I will tell you if I could script it.

easy: drawing tool w/ atleast half the cabability of ms paint
medium: a window component with the basic functions (resize, maximize, minimize)
hard: AI for an archer baddy

not sure if this will accurately display your abilities though...

Idrox0 · #9 11-02-2003, 08:03 AM

Ok, this is the wierdest thing...
Easy:Forget it
Medium:Forget it
Hard:What kind of AI?

Kaimetsu · #10 11-02-2003, 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by Dach

easy: drawing tool w/ atleast half the cabability of ms paint
medium: a window component with the basic functions (resize, maximize, minimize)
hard: AI for an archer baddy

The problem is that each could be more difficult than any other, depending on the standards you maintain and features you add. And I'd say 'Easy' should be something that an average newbie can manage. Yours is too difficult :-p

Dach · #11 11-02-2003, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Idrox0

Hard:What kind of AI?

I guess just like the basic functions that the built-in one has, I was thinking about if you were to use the shoot command that you would need some sort of extra knowledge to be able to calculate the values needed to hit a specific position actually

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

The problem is that each could be more difficult than any other, depending on the standards you maintain and features you add. And I'd say 'Easy' should be something that an average newbie can manage. Yours is too difficult :-p

yeah, I can see that now, I was trying my darndest to not have him make a door

Lance · #12 11-02-2003, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by Dach

yeah, I can see that now, I was trying my darndest to not have him make a door

Try a window.

Ningnong · #13 11-02-2003, 04:44 PM

AI's have to be one of the funnest things to script

Neoreno · #14 11-02-2003, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by Ningnong
AI's have to be one of the funnest things to script

Really? I know a certain kitty which will tell you otherwise.

GoZelda · #15 11-03-2003, 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by Idrox0

Exactly what is that supposed to mean?

Spam :O

Heh well good luck. Don't ask trivial questions to kai though and don't call him paranoid because he sorta might not be very happy or so.

osrs · #16 11-03-2003, 01:08 AM

Good luck, hope you get a pretty good scripter soon.

Ningnong · #17 11-03-2003, 02:05 AM

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originally posted by Neoreno
Really? I know a certain kitty which will tell you otherwise.

That certain kitty will tell me that my own opinion is wrong?

Kaimetsu · #18 11-03-2003, 04:39 AM

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Originally posted by GoZelda
Don't ask trivial questions to kai

Clarification:

1) By 'trivial' I was referring to things that you could find out just by looking in newfeatures.txt/experimenting a little.
2) That's primarily when I'm away. I don't like having to leave my game just to tell somebody the x and y offsets for the player's centre.

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don't call him paranoid

It's okay to use it if you know what it means.

ForgottenLegacy · #19 11-03-2003, 07:14 AM

Can someone tell me how people become GST? I am soo curious to see how that's taken care of.

Python523 · #20 11-03-2003, 07:16 AM

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Originally posted by ForgottenLegacy
Can someone tell me how people become GST? I am soo curious to see how that's taken care of.

You don't. We aren't hiring. If we need another person we ask someone we all vote on. People who ask most likely wont even be considered to be asked, if that time ever comes.

Lance · #21 11-03-2003, 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by Python523

You don't. We aren't hiring. If we need another person we ask someone we all vote on. People who ask most likely wont even be considered to be asked, if that time ever comes.

I'd like to add that most people out there are unfit to be on the team, and don't even understand what it does.

ForgottenLegacy · #22 11-03-2003, 08:21 AM

I never said I wanted to be a GST. In fact, the thought of having an rc on serveral servers is somthing that I would not really like. I am just wondering how you people hire, out of curiosity.

osrs · #23 11-03-2003, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by ForgottenLegacy
I never said I wanted to be a GST. In fact, the thought of having an rc on serveral servers is somthing that I would not really like. I am just wondering how you people hire, out of curiosity.

There isn't a 'tryout' for become GST, the team was formed with scripters of Graal Kingdoms.

GoZelda · #24 11-03-2003, 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
1) By 'trivial' I was referring to things that you could find out just by looking in newfeatures.txt/experimenting a little.
2) That's primarily when I'm away. I don't like having to leave my game just to tell somebody the x and y offsets for the player's centre.

Yah i found that out later

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It's okay to use it if you know what it means.

Too bad some people think of the word different. Or maybe we misinterpreted eachother wrong :/ Even though i'm quite sure i used it right.

ZeLpH_MyStiK · #25 11-04-2003, 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

The problem is that each could be more difficult than any other, depending on the standards you maintain and features you add. And I'd say 'Easy' should be something that an average newbie can manage. Yours is too difficult :-p

Yes, what Kaimetsu said is exactly true. I would consider the windows to be easiest, then the AI, and finally, the drawing features. I consider the drawing script to be the hardest as it needs to check for images, tiles, or whatever you use to make the script, in order to do a simple fill (putting into assumption that once you have a closed polygon, fill only changes the color within the polygon).

TheStivi · #26 11-05-2003, 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by Dach

easy: drawing tool w/ atleast half the cabability of ms paint
medium: a window component with the basic functions (resize, maximize, minimize)
hard: AI for an archer baddy

not sure if this will accurately display your abilities though...

AI for an archer baddy is not hard

hard is a serversystem like the graal 2002 server system without mudlib

i made one but not really like the g2k2 one but i work on it xD

Python523 · #27 11-05-2003, 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by TheStivi

AI for an archer baddy is not hard
hard is a serversystem like the graal 2002 server system without mudlib

i made one but not really like the g2k2 one but i work on it xD

actually it's quite simple o_O

TheStivi · #28 11-05-2003, 08:55 AM

i created one 2 months ago.
the ai lifts bushes and stones and throw it on you then he go back and defense then he attack you with bow

then he walk und jump on you and hit you with sword (the action is random)

I liked it.
but i deleted it

Dach · #29 11-06-2003, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by TheStivi

AI for an archer baddy is not hard
hard is a serversystem like the graal 2002 server system without mudlib

i made one but not really like the g2k2 one but i work on it xD

depends on how good it is

like I said before, I was thinking about using shoot and having a good enough understanding of simple physics to incorporate an aiming capability into the npc (i.e. if the player is running away, they npc could possible hit the player) but alas, I wasn't very specific cause it was too late in the night for me to think, or goto bed

GoZelda · #30 11-09-2003, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by Python523

actually it's quite simple o_O

Wouldn't you just use classes for the NPC's?