You have a choice...

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #1 08-01-2002, 11:22 AM

Apparently, I, along with many other members, have been labelled traitors to the kingdom of Dustari.

Last night we were making plans and showing them to Kamuii about a senate, which would be able to do some work on without the King having to be online all the time, which in effect, makes everything more productive. We also planned on having elections for a new Monach, seen as though he is not very active and you NEED an active monarch on 2k2. He would get it back once he became more active, yet now we have been labelled traitors!

Now Dustari on 2k1 has a King called Jackal, and a Prince which is Kamuii. You can either follow them, or you can follow the other members of Dustari.

People need to know what choice lies before them in the soon future, and what action they need to take.

Aestus · #2 08-01-2002, 11:28 AM

The things discussed in that chat were treason. The highest ranking members assembled an impressive fifteen page chat about just how they should get rid of Kamuii and take over themselves. Kamuii became angry at their blatant insubordination, reset the kingdom roster and appointed Jackal, the rightful heir to the throne, as King.

You have the choice to make. You can rejoin Dustari, or be branded a traitor. Do not make the same mistake your former superiors did.

Edit: That chat, by the way, will be posted at anyone's request.

GryffonDurime · #3 08-01-2002, 11:29 AM

I'd like to point out that (Dustari) has four members, while Dustari has everyone who was just kicked out. Do you see what I'm saying? Kamuii may rule (Dustari) but he dosen't have dominion over Dustari, the community.

Aestus · #4 08-01-2002, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by GryffonDurime
I'd like to point out that (Dustari) has four members, while Dustari has everyone who was just kicked out. Do you see what I'm saying? Kamuii may rule (Dustari) but he dosen't have dominion over Dustari, the community.

Jackal rules Dustari. Tag sweeps occur fairly often, this is just the first time it was triggered by an act of treason. All former members have the right to apply to Jackal for readmission.

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #5 08-01-2002, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Aestus
The things discussed in that chat were treason. The highest ranking members assembled an impressive fifteen page chat about just how they should get rid of Kamuii and take over themselves. Kamuii became angry at their blatant insubordination, reset the kingdom roster and appointed Jackal, the rightful heir to the throne, as King.

You have the choice to make. You can rejoin Dustari, or be branded a traitor. Do not make the same mistake your former superiors did.

Good. Lets just throw away the idea of giving everyone a voice in having a say in who will be the next Monarch, and make Jackal, a person whom hardly anyone knows, the King! Then we can put Kamuii as Prince so if Jackal dies Kamuii can take over, and Jackal can be Prince again.

GryffonDurime · #6 08-01-2002, 11:33 AM

Well then I'd still like to point out that (Dustari) and Dustari are two very different beasts

/edit And Henry asked me to relay this question: How did Kamoo, however shortlived his ressurection was, survive the Ackbar attack while Henry did not? /edit

Aestus · #7 08-01-2002, 11:52 AM

Here's some excerpts from tonight's chat I thought were particularly interesting. Don't try telling me it was a private chat; people have a right to know exactly the kind of things that triggered this.

Kidzen5: Gryffon
encircling net: Kamuii
Trek437: Larrien
the dirty walls: myself
flee the nutter: Jeff
Tupper Trenine: Guess.
aftershock766: See above.

Kid Zen5: You know, I just realized something
encircling net: Never on?
Tupper Trenine: Not when I am x.x
Kid Zen5: We dont even have to follow the King
Trek437: Jackal is never on when I'm on, either.
aftershock766: gryffon has a point
the dirty walls: Sounds like treason, Gryffon.
Trek437: I saw him online for like.. five minutes.. when you started Dustari again on 2001.
Kid Zen5: With our influence we can make the rest follow us

***

Trek437: Let's assassinate Jackal and Kamuii.
Trek437: All right?
Trek437: That's what we can do.

***

Kid Zen5: Use our influence as the Elders of this Kingom to get the others to follow us from Dustari
Tupper Trenine: 1 is impossible also
Kid Zen5: A Kingdom can't exsist as only a King
Tupper Trenine: John Wayne poison gives you a horrible accent and makes you want to star in bad B-movies
Kid Zen5: When it falls then we shall return and instill our Senate and our King

***

Kid Zen5: All we have to do.....
flee the nutter: and moreover, I have connections within Providence.
Kid Zen5: Is ally ourselves with more admins to counter Kamuii's influence
Kid Zen5: Too long have we endured the rain of a catatonic control freak
Kid Zen5: reign*

***

The rest of the chat was most people squabbling over which positions they were going to take for themselves in the new government, and how they should use their influence to run the king out. Pathetic.

GryffonDurime · #8 08-01-2002, 12:01 PM

That is mostly taken out of context, and it was a private chat. Aestus, I ask you this, who is the greater traitor? I can not place this feeling that I feel into words. You, Aestus, have betrayed something more than a role playing king, something more than a concept of absolute tyranny. You have betrayed Dustari as a community of people, of friends working together to fufil a common intrest.

Aestus · #9 08-01-2002, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by GryffonDurime
That is mostly taken out of context, and it was a private chat. Aestus, I ask you this, who is the greater traitor? I can not place this feeling that I feel into words. You, Aestus, have betrayed something more than a role playing king, something more than a concept of absolute tyranny. You have betrayed Dustari as a community of people, of friends working together to fufil a common intrest.

Don't give me that melodramatic ****. "Community of friends working together to fulfill a common interest?" That's the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. There was enough infighting in Dustari for two civil wars. People did nothing but fight each other for a higher rank and "power" in an online game. It's crap like that that triggered tonight's events. You especially.

Again, private chat my ass. People have a right to know why they were removed from Dustari, and the kinds of things that were said that brought about those events. And if you're worried about being taken out of context, I can post the entire chat if you would like. I don't think you would, though, as it really wouldn't help your case.

LilNiglet · #10 08-01-2002, 12:14 PM

Here's some excerpts from tonight's chat I thought were particularly interesting. Don't try telling me it was a private chat; people have a right to know exactly the kind of things that triggered this.
Yes, idiots like you.

Kidzen5: Gryffon
encircling net: Kamuii
Trek437: Larrien
the dirty walls: myself
flee the nutter: Jeff
Tupper Trenine: Guess.
aftershock766: See above.

Kid Zen5: You know, I just realized something
encircling net: Never on?
Tupper Trenine: Not when I am x.x
Kid Zen5: We dont even have to follow the King
Trek437: Jackal is never on when I'm on, either.
aftershock766: gryffon has a point
the dirty walls: Sounds like treason, Gryffon.
Trek437: I saw him online for like.. five minutes.. when you started Dustari again on 2001.
Kid Zen5: With our influence we can make the rest follow us
As I will say again in this post, the opinions of one person do not count for the whole.
***

Trek437: Let's assassinate Jackal and Kamuii.
Trek437: All right?
Trek437: That's what we can do.
You fool. You forgot a line of chat after that. Larrien was joking around. Idiot. *****. This is what he said:
Trek437 (10:59:46 PM): Let's assassinate Jackal and Kamuii.
Trek437 (10:59:48 PM): All right?
Trek437 (10:59:51 PM): That's what we can do.
Trek437 (10:59:52 PM): lol.

***

Kid Zen5: Use our influence as the Elders of this Kingom to get the others to follow us from Dustari
Tupper Trenine: 1 is impossible also
Kid Zen5: A Kingdom can't exsist as only a King
Tupper Trenine: John Wayne poison gives you a horrible accent and makes you want to star in bad B-movies
Kid Zen5: When it falls then we shall return and instill our Senate and our King
THis has ALSO been edited, as the two chat lines that I stated here were sent to the chat room MINUTES apart.
***

Kid Zen5: All we have to do.....
flee the nutter: and moreover, I have connections within Providence.
Kid Zen5: Is ally ourselves with more admins to counter Kamuii's influence
Kid Zen5: Too long have we endured the rain of a catatonic control freak
Kid Zen5: reign*
-.- The opinons of one person do NOT go for the whole.
***

The rest of the chat was most people squabbling over which positions they were going to take for themselves in the new government, and how they should use their influence to run the king out. Pathetic.

No, you are incorrect. Most of the chat was spent explaining our constitution to Kamuii, then it kinda turned into a basic chatroom for everyone to just talk. In my opinion, the people have a RIGHT to decide when they want\need a new king. Aestus, you are an close-minded *****ic zealot who has nothing to do but play as a pawn in Kamuii's game. Kamuii, you have disappointed me and almost all of Dustari. You need to think things through, and learn to see what the consequences of your actions are. You also need to learn that it is your time to step down. Move on. Do something else. And, as Gryffon said, you both have betrayed the community of Dustari. If anyone should be labeled as a traitor, it should be you two.

GryffonDurime · #11 08-01-2002, 12:14 PM

I refuse to continue any further in this meaningless exchange. All it has become is bickering. While it's true that I might have a bit of a flair for the dramatic, I'd like to adress one more point before I retire for the night. How can it be consitered traiterous to discuss possibilities? That's what that was, an OOC discussion. SO now you can be penalized not only for things you do IN the world of role playing, but also for having different opinions? Wow, this is turning into internet communism.

Aestus · #12 08-01-2002, 12:23 PM

Yes, Tupper, idiots like me caused the highest ranking members of Dustari to attempt to force the king from his throne.

Secondly, not a line of that chat was edited, so don't even try telling me it was. And since you're so concerned with being taken out of context, and since we both have such differing opinions on the content of the chat, you won't have a problem with letting people decide for themselves, will you?

And by the way, don't try telling me I need to think about the consequences of my actions. Maybe you should have taken your own advice a few hours ago.

LilNiglet · #13 08-01-2002, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Aestus
Yes, Tupper, idiots like me caused the highest ranking members of Dustari to attempt to force the king from his throne.

Secondly, not a line of that chat was edited, so don't even try telling me it was. And since you're so concerned with being taken out of context, and since we both have such differing opinions on the content of the chat, you won't have a problem with letting people decide for themselves, will you?

And by the way, don't try telling me I need to think about the consequences of my actions. Maybe you should have taken your own advice a few hours ago.

I've taken my actions into consideration, and have concluded that this was the best course of action.

Oh. Edited, manipulated, same thing in my mind.

ZanderX · #14 08-01-2002, 12:31 PM

Oh, please. Are you just trying to create more strife than is necessary?