Legal or not?

Geovanie Legend · #1 12-11-2001, 03:49 PM

Since I can never get Stefan to answer me anymore maybe he'll reply to this.
What exactly is and is not legal on a free server?
And why are you making every world p2p? I mean with that stupid ghost mode, isn't it kinda stupid to have to pay to play on a free server that can't use the p2p stuff?
Without the use of free server Graal is going to be reduced in player count big time, thousands of people will leave and play other games because their not gonna pay to have their account activated when all they want to do is play on a free server.

Remember, what I really want here is an EXACT list of what is and isn't legal on free servers.

cell424 · #2 12-11-2001, 06:15 PM

Multiframed Gani's
Scripts made from G2k1-Does not include ideas
Images Made From G2K1
Bomy's
*Anything else put it here*

Slaktmaster · #3 12-11-2001, 06:18 PM

I believe you should remove multi-framed ganis from that list and add multi-directional ganis instead.

Admins · #4 12-11-2001, 08:24 PM

Geo I think those things has been listed
may be 100 times on the forums,
sometimes it's good to use the search
thing

LilNiglet · #5 12-11-2001, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan
Geo I think those things has been listed
may be 100 times on the forums,
sometimes it's good to use the search
thing

Stefan, I have noticed that you are becoming more 1337ish over time, saying stuff like "you sux

" and other 1337 stuff. Thanks. Just wanted to point that out.
;D

Admins · #6 12-11-2001, 08:41 PM

kp_p2p · #7 12-11-2001, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LilNiglet

Stefan, I have noticed that you are becoming more 1337ish over time, saying stuff like "you sux " and other 1337 stuff. Thanks. Just wanted to point that out.
;D

yes lmao I have noticed that too.. I think its 'l337'

Umm, the 'free' graal is no longer 'free' its a trial. We dont care if we lose some people who take advantage of us. Most of the people on free servers are 'hackers' so we lose the immature hackers and gang a few mature people who will play the game. Hackers arn't going to pay $27 just to hack twice and lose there account. So stop whining and go find another game. Were all satisfied here. Graal is getting MUCH better, stefan is even working on a GBA game

If he does get the GBA game out, it will bring many people online here and they will pay to play. So if you want to run around life getting freebies go elsewhere.

habek · #8 12-11-2001, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan
Geo I think those things has been listed
may be 100 times on the forums,
sometimes it's good to use the search
thing

yea, uhm, btw,
is it multi-framed or multi-directions gani?

SabreKnot · #9 12-11-2001, 11:12 PM

multi-directioned im pretty sure, yep.

Stefen, what about simple walk,idle, sit, swim ganis? Can non p2p use those atleast?

Faheria_LAT1 · #10 12-11-2001, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by SabreKnot
multi-directioned im pretty sure, yep.

Stefen, what about simple walk,idle, sit, swim ganis? Can non p2p use those atleast?

god you people need to learn how to read a txt file.
\graal2001\newfeatures2001.txt

Psyker · #11 12-11-2001, 11:41 PM

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Originally posted by Stefan
hehe

*Stefan (no baka)

Providence_Admin3 · #12 12-11-2001, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Geovanie Legend
Since I can never get Stefan to answer me anymore maybe he'll reply to this.
What exactly is and is not legal on a free server?
And why are you making every world p2p? I mean with that stupid ghost mode, isn't it kinda stupid to have to pay to play on a free server that can't use the p2p stuff?
Without the use of free server Graal is going to be reduced in player count big time, thousands of people will leave and play other games because their not gonna pay to have their account activated when all they want to do is play on a free server.

Remember, what I really want here is an EXACT list of what is and isn't legal on free servers.

go watch your kids.

grim_squeaker_x · #13 12-12-2001, 01:09 AM

You're playing Graal...

Do you know where your children are?

;P

Saga2001 · #14 12-12-2001, 01:43 AM

l33t

Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan
hehe

cds96 · #15 12-12-2001, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by grim_squeaker_x
You're playing Graal...

Do you know where your children are?

;P

<3 4 u

LiquidIce00 · #16 12-12-2001, 03:15 AM

all servers r going p2p ?
and if so there should be something like you make an acct and you get like 3 free days or something of game play then ghost mode. So people can test out the game and stuff. But there would be a problem with ppl making tons of acct's and coming on for 3 days then so on.

View GraalOnline Profile · #17 12-12-2001, 03:26 AM

when all else fails, bring someone's personal life into it

Shorty2Dope · #18 12-12-2001, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LiquidIce00
all servers r going p2p ?
and if so there should be something like you make an acct and you get like 3 free days or something of game play then ghost mode. So people can test out the game and stuff. But there would be a problem with ppl making tons of acct's and coming on for 3 days then so on.

I think there staying free or "trial" versions. Each server will have a limited amount of players that can play on it. Thats where ghost mode comes in. You wait until someone leaves while your a ghost, then you join the game when theres a opened slot. Stefan and Unixmad need to start making more money off graal. Once they can make a living off it. They can work on fixing it and making it better. Thats were graal becomes an even better game.

(Not sure if everything I say is correct)

Slaktmaster · #19 12-12-2001, 03:43 AM

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Originally posted by TDK_Admin2
when all else fails, bring someone's personal life into it

thank you

Torankusu · #20 12-12-2001, 05:55 AM

It should be changed. Multi-directional ganis are unable to be used on non-p2p playerworlds. A regular, one direction gani can only have so many frames, I think. The only direction is down.

Bird2prey · #21 12-12-2001, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by grim_squeaker_x
You're playing Graal...

Do you know where your children are?

;P

I told you the other day NO!

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #22 12-12-2001, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shorty2Dope

I think there staying free or "trial" versions. Each server will have a limited amount of players that can play on it. Thats where ghost mode comes in. You wait until someone leaves while your a ghost, then you join the game when theres a opened slot. Stefan and Unixmad need to start making more money off graal. Once they can make a living off it. They can work on fixing it and making it better. Thats were graal becomes an even better game.

(Not sure if everything I say is correct)

Yeah, everything you say is correct. Except those that pay I hope they get to "bump" the line so w can go on any server we want anytime

With the player limit on free servers, Stefan said that he will add better quality and better gani's and graphics to the servers too

Shorty2Dope · #23 12-12-2001, 06:03 AM

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Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_

Yeah, everything you say is correct. Except those that pay I hope they get to "bump" the line so w can go on any server we want anytime

With the player limit on free servers, Stefan said that he will add better quality and better gani's and graphics to the servers too

Yes I heard something about p2p people can play on any server even if there is a limit. So maybe some person who doesn't have a p2p will get bumped out for a p2p person?

Torankusu · #24 12-12-2001, 06:07 AM

That will really make them want to upgrade...

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #25 12-12-2001, 06:07 AM

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Originally posted by Shorty2Dope

Yes I heard something about p2p people can play on any server even if there is a limit. So maybe some person who doesn't have a p2p will get bumped out for a p2p person?

I don't think it will happen that way. They will probably set their limits low and then maybe the maximum capacity is over that limit (for example, the limit for Classic might be 150 but it can actually hold 200 players). Plus, it's kind of rude for those that don't pay. Imagine, they are at the end of a quest and about to beat it when it says "You have been disconnected. Reason: Some p2p dude kicked you off. Now go to the back of the line"

Geovanie Legend · #26 12-12-2001, 01:22 PM

Well if that's the case then I should just make Maloria p2p, i mean if it's all coming down to p2p anyway and you won't even be able to fully play a free server unless you have a p2p account then why not just make your server p2p so you can do more with it?
Also it looks like I found a few more people for my ignore list.
Talking about me or my family don't bother me, all it does it earn you a seat on my ignore list people, so get over it.

Zelgadis_Geywords · #27 12-12-2001, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Geovanie Legend
why not just make your server p2p so you can do more with it?

<logical answer>
Hmm..think about this, Geo..Many people don't want to upgrade their account, or maybe they can't.
</logical answer>

Geovanie Legend · #28 12-12-2001, 05:24 PM

Yes that may seem logical to you, but think about it.
If they are going to make it so you have to wait in line to play on a free server then it's mainly going to be p2p people playing all the time because people will get tired of waiting and just find a new game since all they really want to do is play and have fun.

psichill · #29 12-12-2001, 05:26 PM

Free Servers = More hax0ring players.
P2P Servers = WTS!? There are other P2P servers then 2001 and Providence @_@ (I mean no one gives a damn about the other servers.)

Geovanie Legend · #30 12-12-2001, 05:43 PM

Just because a server is free don't mean it's gonna have hackers... when i ran NP I hardly ever had a hacker problem.
Maybe it's just due to the fact that, well i won't go into detial, lol
But the point is that NP was free and didn't have hackers, and what hackers it did have were dealt with fast and simple so the players had nothing to worry about.

cds96 · #31 12-12-2001, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by Geovanie Legend
Just because a server is free don't mean it's gonna have hackers... when i ran NP I hardly ever had a hacker problem.
Maybe it's just due to the fact that, well i won't go into detial, lol
But the point is that NP was free and didn't have hackers, and what hackers it did have were dealt with fast and simple so the players had nothing to worry about.

Npulse had a *lot* of hackers.

Slaktmaster · #32 12-12-2001, 07:51 PM

And they get banned from the long arm of the law a.k.a Archaon (RC)

cds96 · #33 12-12-2001, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by Slaktmaster
And they get banned from the long arm of the law a.k.a Archaon (RC)

back working there now? what are you?

Zelgadis_Geywords · #34 12-12-2001, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Geovanie Legend
Yes that may seem logical to you, but think about it.
If they are going to make it so you have to wait in line to play on a free server then it's mainly going to be p2p people playing all the time because people will get tired of waiting and just find a new game since all they really want to do is play and have fun.

Most servers which are "free" anyway probably won't exeed their limit. The only ones that I can think of that it would effect more than others are N-Pulse, UN, and Classic; seeing as how their playercounts are usually higher than other PW's. The other servers probably won't be effected as much.

Shorty2Dope · #35 12-13-2001, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Geovanie Legend
Yes that may seem logical to you, but think about it.
If they are going to make it so you have to wait in line to play on a free server then it's mainly going to be p2p people playing all the time because people will get tired of waiting and just find a new game since all they really want to do is play and have fun.

Fine with me. Doesn't hurt us to lose free players. Only hurts us when we lose p2p players. We payed for our accounts, we diserve better stuff and more rights. Go somewhere else if you don't like it that way.

Geovanie Legend · #36 12-13-2001, 02:10 AM

You are all so worried about the p2p cause you can afford to pay for it, but what about all those people out there that love the game and play fairly that can't afford p2p, ever think about how they feel? no prolly not.

mikepg · #37 12-13-2001, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by psichill
Free Servers = More hax0ring players.
P2P Servers = WTS!? There are other P2P servers then 2001 and Providence @_@ (I mean no one gives a damn about the other servers.)

Maybe that is because the other servers are COMPLETELY empty! There is NOTHING to do. Obviously, the more fun your PW is, the more people you will have on it.

When it comes down to it, graal is probably the easiest MMPOG to hack. When people are serious about hacking, they are gonna hack things on P2p servers, or not hack graal at all. the people that supposedly "hack" free servers are nothing more than simple bug exploiters. A REAL hacker will do stuff more useful than put explosions on levels and delete them.

As for all the free servers going p2p, i think it's a really bad move. The waiting list thing was another bad move, but it made it so that not everyone is crowded on one server, which is a pro i guess. As for previewing p2p servers, players SHOULD have something around the lines of a 5 day trial when the register their account, that way, they can do more than float around. Its like watching someone swim. It looks fun, but youre not sure till you try it yourself. No one in their right mind would reg hundreds of accounts to play for 5 days. That would be a total of no money, no items or anything. But, they can still play the games and participate.

Geovanie Legend · #38 12-13-2001, 05:29 AM

lol ok well i'm burnt out on this topic, now i'm talking about how everything that's here isn't even here and how brain damage work, lol
but that's on another thread, have fun finding it, hehe

Admins · #39 12-13-2001, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Geovanie Legend
You are all so worried about the p2p cause you can afford to pay for it, but what about all those people out there that love the game and play fairly that can't afford p2p, ever think about how they feel? no prolly not.

I don't really know any player that cannot afford the p2p price,
don't know if you have really thought about it before
saying it. The only thing that might stop someone to pay
is that the payment is too complicated (because it's
hard for younger people to get a credit card) or because
they don't like the game.

Torankusu · #40 12-13-2001, 06:23 AM

If they have a computer with the internet connection, etc, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to afford it, other than massive debt, and no credit card/checking accounts.