[prozac424242]

Ah yes, Dale Carnegie wrote a great book "how to win friends and in fluence people". Everyone who writes on these forums should read it. Each chapter sums up a basic princibple.
I have only read the first three chapters, the frist principles are:

1. Never complain, critisize, or condemn. (as it only leads to a futile cycle, and you will not get what you want that way)

2. give honest and sincere appreciation (not flattery - people need encouragement as much as they need food and air, if not more)

3. Casue the person whom you wish to change their mind, an eager desire - present the idea in how it will make them want to do it. (talking about your own wants is childish - of course you want what makes you happy, everyone does. how will it get me what I, ther person you are trying to convince, want?)

if everyone on the forums here followed these, it would be a much better place.