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Originally Posted by busyrobot

You want me to prove the absense of something to disprove your case?

No, I want you to try and fault the inductive logic. I already explained this. Go read up on induction, damnit.

Gryf's use of his character's history is not for egocentric purposes

I disagree. I interpret it as an elaborate, dramatic backstory designed to make him feel special. There are plenty of more mundane ways to achieve a similar personality.

Another factor, is can you seperate a negative influence and a negative effect?
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people who make elaborate backstories -including gryf- tend to be singled out for negative commentary

They do? Other than the two already discussed here, do you have any examples?

I think the audience has, for the most part, given up about 2-3 pages of posts ago

Yeah, probably. But the rules of the game don't change.

.....sigh...you do realize you just contradicted yourself just one sentence above?

Do you realise that 'impartial' is not the same as 'objective'? Please try to keep a dictionary on hand while engaging in this debate.

And as I have argued we don't need forceful regulation on this topic, this is bad how?

Well, the only other type of regulation is wholly ineffectual unless you make the assumption that all Kingdoms players are reasonable, mature people. I do not think that assumption pans out.

That Raziel guy has ostensibly been using his backstory for some time. How has your non-regulation helped there?

Reasonable enough. If they weren't, how would rules help?

If a kingdom leader has to approve stories then you have two minds assessing them, and more chance that a vainglorious character concept will be rejected. It could even be possible to appoint an overall authority to arbitrate on these kinds of matters. It still assumes that some people are reasonable but, even if the leaders and staff members are all as incompetent as the average player, it still adds layers of redundancy.

the leaders of the other kingdoms, as least Zormite and Dustari for sure and I believe its supported by Forest (is it gryf?) is that to drop items in the water or use spells to create items to trap and damage ships is bug abuse, yet it was allowed for a time by the leader of CP

Right. So why are you placing the fault with CP and not the other kingdoms? Because of your opinion. Who are you to say what is and isn't good roleplaying?

I am not anyone to say as such, other than at least 2 if not 3-4 of the other kingdoms condemned the practice

Yeah? So? You still place the blame on those that didn't.

Any kingdom that RPs and makes an effort to keep their practices similar enough to those of other kingdoms that rp to be able to rp together

Which are the "decent kingdoms"?

Can you clarify what you mean by 'absolutes' in this case?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=absolute

All that it sounds like to me is, if you were to argue about buildings being overdesigned in[...]

...Town A, and you were arguing with an engineer from Town B, and he said "Look, guys, I like the style and all but is the huge carbon fibre hat actually better at preventing leaks than a normal roof?" that you would retort with "Hey, your opinions are invalid. You can't know how water behaves in this town - not until you've spoken with Mrs Peterson and Mr Jameson and the Johnsons and all the other residents! Get the hell out!"

Does that clear it up a bit?