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Originally Posted by busyrobot

Trick is to first identify problems and track them back to the causes

And how can you say that things wouldn't be significantly better if a certain factor were removed? How can you say that certain problems would still have occured? These things aren't always obvious, much like the ozone layer thing.

I am curious if you are so quick to give up on assessing the effects of people when it comes to irl politics

Give me an example.

Keyword 'Effect' meaning, something observed traced back to probable causes. When it comes to green house theory, the science is based on a long standing observations of chemists under controlled experimental conditions

First you argued that I cannot possibly make my argument without providing direct evidence of the phenomenon I describe. Are you now rescinding that, but criticising the inductive logic? I need to know where we stand here.

So you think you can provide only a single instance, then act like I am out of line for not assuming you have tons of more instances to back up your case?

I don't think that's what I said. I think you're being irrational for going to the other extreme - assuming that I haven't seen anything else. Stop strawmanning.

And about your assertion - yes, you said the danger was that anyone could make up any old race....how is that a danger if people don't start making up races?

That's one danger. But it's just a symptom of a wider problem - an egocentric attitude to roleplaying. That's what Gryffon encourages and condones.

Please stop trying to break my argument into itty bitty pieces. Tackle the whole or nothing at all.

I will admit I was playing with you a bit

Doubtful. Seems more likely that you just don't understand burdens of proof.

because you have tried to shift the burden of proof on to me so many times

When have I asked you to prove a claim that you haven't made?

can you demonstrate reasonably the risks you are concerned of?

Seeing a kingdom leader roleplay in an egocentric fashion encourages players to do likewise. That's it. That's my whole argument. Inventing races is just one possible expression of it.

I will reiterate my key point (1) that even though people can make characters that are 'out there' that it rarely happens

Well, I guess that depends. If you approve of Gryffon's backstory then you must have some pretty loose standards.

And again: If you make that claim, you must support it. That, or leave it for the audience to assess for themselves. Make a choice and then stick with it. Repeated assertions don't qualify as either.

Yet he did have verbal discouragement

Stop changing the argument. You said: "that one person did not receive encouraging praise for those elements of his story, thus showing it is not encouraged". Do you now admit that praise is not the only way to encourage somebody?

Rules have their place but there is also room for self regulation where it has worked to date

Again, evading the point. "Making rules based soley on one person's theories also threaten to break the cohesion of a server". Do you now admit that predictions are a good basis for making rulings, compared to choosing a policy at random?

This is not a 'doomsday' issue like the green house effect is [...] because if there is a problem, we can actually solve it then with minimal effort

Yeah, we just break out the mind control rods.