why are all you developers making terrible non-classic servers?
 

not sure about a lot of you guys, but i have only ever enjoyed graal when it was on a classic-type server, where it seems very zeldaesque, and everyone is on a equal playing field with just swords, and maybe some NPC using scrub from some garbage local guild.

so why are we going away from these types of servers? what is so appealing to so many failed UC servers that we expand off the most basic of graal's elements into the terrible game play of some era or zodiac type server, where the standard for equal is not in terms of skill, but in time spent online and experience points. i can't see why no one has had any motivation to instead create the ultimate classic server, one that would bring about the full and simple potential of what graal is: a link to the past, except online.

Maybe you think it is so terrible, But as you can see a lot of people like these servers.

If you don't like them, Dont play them.. You like classic servers, others like modern servers or whatever.

I was going to make a thread like this last week but a bit more in depth, didn't have the time though. I'll elaborate when I do have time, but I think it mainly comes down to sustainability and ease of development; a bleak future for the 'Classic' genre.

Some of us get tired of the standard gameplay and want something different. Normally the response to this would be events but those get boring too. I don't mind RPG servers, it's just that Zodiad has such **** quality.

I love Classic, but I love Zodiac too (just needs better graphics).
I dont like servers like Zone, or Era, but lots of people do.
I do miss the old Classic though, when it was the only server, but those days are gone because the community is gone. It can never be the same.

Hey, I have a question, why are classic developers making terrible classic servers?

such as?

Name one good classic server. One good classic server that exists today.

At least the modern or rpg themed servers offer something to do. Granted, it's either lame run and gun or constant grinding and random drops, but at least that's something besides events. What's Classic got? Couple events, yawn. How about UN? I wouldn't even that classic (or good!). Quit complaining about bad "theme" servers. They've got more to do than the current lineup of "classic" servers.

sparring and PKing is infinitely more interesting and fun than grinding. having grinding servers isn't really going to bring in players as it used too with the old way that graal was advertised and seen as, which makes it pretty unique in terms of simple MMOs.

the problem is that whats being developed is isn't all that good even looking at a server like zodiac or era, because it obviously isn't making more people want to play on the scale that it once was. the classic graal servers on the other hand, are poorly influenced by the upper tier of developers - not to say that any staff are bad, but the direction they are facing and molding into are different than what's needed. and it seems no one is going to try to get it right anymore, and we can settle with whats already there.

i think the solution is to make two types of servers, one with changing quests and adventures such as what the older classic servers presented, another with a high degree of sparring and guild wars dedication to help create leagues or tournaments. either one will offer back what graal's core elements were meant for. a ton of scripts don't necessarily result in a good server. sparring and PKing doesn't require much, if you have good levelers to change things up on a more regular basis.

Sparring and PK'ing can be done on other servers, and if they were such a big hook, why are Classic and the current Delteria empty? If your PK'ing and sparring were such a draw for players, Delt should be packed, as that is all you can do, spar and pk.

My solution is that you quit knocking down themed servers like the classic servers are actually putting something worth playing out. Because they're not.

Servers in general are sucking.

I think you're missing a word there, mang.

Maybe if developers were paid to make quality servers..

and what's the solution then? keep making themed servers because all the server will suck anyways? that is just what i said we were already doing, settling for whats already there.

if you have an opinion on a way to make servers in general better, please post it so some support could get behind it. otherwise, don't point the blame to "servers in general" because that doesn't help anything. i think my idea can at least have some reminiscence of the past to draw in the community that is already there, sitting dormant on the current classic servers with "nothing to do but PK and spar" which is not the same thing as what i was talking about; idle and endless PKing with no clear winner, and constant sparring are not the same as leagues and guild wars.

i'm also not suggesting we leave servers like zodiac and era in the dust - they still have active communities. but, the classic community is still there, it's just bored to death, and no one is creating and hosting things that they enjoy. if we presented it to a few of them, more will come if it's what they're looking for. not to say it will be the same, but it will create something if done correctly.

Delteria Period.

There is still a few servers out there that are still heading in this classic direction. Delteria in my opinion will be the greatest classic server that graal has even encountered. Other servers such as Zodiac are based off other games like wow and Graal was based of zelda. So I guess Our inspiration has to come from somewhere.

Err, playerworld menstrual cycles.

Call that classic WHATEVER

Then don't blame the themed servers. If we keep making classic servers, like you want, we'd be in the same position as we are now: a lot of worthless servers. At least with servers like Era and Zodiac you can get a (slightly) different experience on each one. As far as I'm concerned, we need one "good" classic server, and then all these non-classic servers that you're so quick to call out.

i doubt we would be in the same position we are now if we only had classic oriented servers, because it's my bet that we'd have a higher density of players split among classic servers than we currently do jammed into the themed. it doesn't seem like you are understanding my point here, and it doesn't seem like you have any solutions either.

and no, delteria is not the answer to classic servers, at least from what i can see so far. while it may have a new feel, overworld, and graphics, it is not-at least from what i can see-going to be anything special, and won't fulfill what we need. this might be because nothing has been said about delteria in a long time, and honestly with it's current population of players it should have gone back to being a UC or hosted server until it could re-release again, but from the current stand point, what is delteria even doing? i thought it had all died down because it's community has broken, what with MHX and veracity gone along with their core players from back in the day; not from development. maybe someone with more inside information can fill us (or at least me) in.

How can you say Delteria is not going to be anything special, and then admit you haven't heard or seen anything from the new project?

i've been on the server for hours at a time and looked around. that doesn't mean i have any knowledge of what their "story" for the server will be, what type of economy would be there, what types of events they'll try to hold, or, generally, what the main focus of the server will be. from just being on the server itself and talking to the limited players who go on it, and from lurking the delteria forums, it doesn't seem all that special. hence why i asked for someone to shed some light on what i'm ignorant on so maybe i can change my opinion, but currently it doesn't seem to fit what's needed.

Delteria's graphics on the dev server (based on screenshots) are nothing short of amazing. I can't say anything about gameplay, though, since I have yet to see any of it. Most Delteria staff have outside obligations since most are older than your average 10-17 year old Graalian, so development I hear is done in short spurts. Quite a shame, really.

I honestly think that's for the best. Constant development would make it rushed and sloppy (Zodiac?) or they'd grow tired of it and it would fall off the radar (Crystia?)


More Classic servers won't help anything, because a classic server calls for a classic experience. You don't need 4 servers all with the classic feel, just 1 or 2 very nice ones. The themed servers are the backbones of Graal. It's their experiences that draw in players, and hold them until more come on to replace them. Just because you don't like Era and Zodiac doesn't mean they suck. I don't like them either, but I'm not going to call 140~ people (the majority of Graal) wrong. More unique servers mean more to do. More Classic servers mean more of the same. I'm not saying the Classic servers suck, I'm saying your solution sucks because of massive nostalgia goggles. 12 classic servers will not save Graal, 12 themed servers all based around different things will make Graal more enjoyable. That's not to say that every unique server some random kid makes is awesome, but it's a lot better than a couple levels and NPCs that change your gani.

i'm arguing for quality, not quantity.

You implied the problem was "terrible non-classic servers", when in reality the problem is "terrible servers in general".

...to which i said wasn't the point and wasn't productive? you are just making us go around in circles, whats the point?