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Frankie 10-06-2008 01:37 AM

Management resignation
 
Icarus (Manager) and myself (Administrator) have both stepped down from our positions.

Just thought I'd inform you all.

For those who hated us, hopefully you're happy :)
For those who liked us, sorry to let you down.

I'll be sticking around unless Houdini decides to ban me.

Edit: David (GP Chief) and EC (GP) has left also..

CharlieM 10-06-2008 01:38 AM

???What was the decision leading to this?

Nataxo 10-06-2008 01:39 AM

:(

you did an excellent job:)

cbk1994 10-06-2008 01:49 AM

Who will be replacing you?

We will miss you, Frankie :(

natchez416 10-06-2008 01:55 AM

What happened ?

Yocas 10-06-2008 01:59 AM

No offence but how many times have you quit and end up comming back within a week? This is like the 3rd or 4th time. :whatever:

Shadow5596321 10-06-2008 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yocas (Post 1429469)
No offence but how many times have you quit and end up comming back within a week? This is like the 3rd or 4th time. :whatever:

Wouldn't be surpised if he did come back.

I'm intrested in what happened to lead to this though, is it because of the reset?


This true or not? Or is this something to get a laugh at the players?

Elizabeth 10-06-2008 02:11 AM

apparently era just got punkd...?

CharlieM 10-06-2008 02:12 AM

Frankies gonna post it on the forums

Frankie 10-06-2008 02:19 AM

Houdini played a big part in our resignation.

When Icarus was made manager, he was told that PWA would not interfere. Houdini broke that when he decided to log on and start a development project without consent from myself or Icarus. We both strongly disagreed with what Houdini wanted to do. Now, we didn't mind that Houdini wanted to lead a development project, but when it's something that's completely stupid and something that Icarus and I don't agree on, we don't want it happening. Houdini basically forced it upon us and eventually threatened our jobs for it. When we got Bell involved, he backed off and tried to play it off as some stupid test on Icarus, hah.

(keep in mind we had a lot of past problems with Houdini, even before Icarus was manager)

Fast forward a few weeks.

We were looking for a dev server. A private server where we could develop things without having to worry about effecting the live server. We had some projects planned, and Andy had a lot of things planned as far as rescripting major systems. Stefan would not give us a 6 month dev server, just a 30 day one. We wanted to spend a lot more time with it than 30 days, but he wouldn't budge. Andy scripted a custom weapon for a player that provided us money for a dev server. Big red flag obviously, but you have to realize that no matter how dumb and stupid it sounds, all we were trying to do was purchase a private server to benefit Era. We had no intentions to use this for personal gain.

We were able to put that behind because Bell saw where we were coming from and supported us to not get fired and banned :P Bell told me just as long as Stokell was not getting a staff job that it would be fine. Houdini still kept telling players he wanted to give me a punishment of 3 months or something.

Fast forward to today!

Houdini came online to resolve a ticket about USDing. He brings up the whole dev server-USD issue. I argue with him, etc etc. I insulted him (edited by Sam) and he d/c'd me and said that he was "SO close to firing me." Told me if I said anything sexually explicit towards him again, I would be fired. Okay cool.

We kept arguing, and eventually Houdini is starting to say that "players are clamoring for your removal" ... "I get PMs asking when I'm taking over" or something along the lines of that.

Icarus logs on... He finds out what Houdini said. He started arguing with Houdini, and Houdini put us both on probation. Icarus resigns, then everything just went downhill from there.

I tried to sum it up as best as I could. I might be missing a lot of info.

Shadow5596321 10-06-2008 02:21 AM

Epic failage on global part.

CharlieM 10-06-2008 02:23 AM

How did he even find out about it?

Shadow5596321 10-06-2008 02:24 AM

Possibly a ticket, maybe a player. Or he just looked at the logs if he could do that? Could've just asked Bell. Dunno.

Frankie 10-06-2008 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlieM (Post 1429492)
How did he even find out about it?

I don't want to jump to conclusions but it could of been TSA. Or a ticket. Andy massed it out and someone might of put it in a ticket and complained.

Shadow5596321 10-06-2008 02:27 AM

Sad to see you go.

Era's future looks dim indeed. :(

xTcDiabloxTc 10-06-2008 02:29 AM

I really didn't argue with Houdini or anything. I actually hadn't been around much this weekend due to some irl stuff.


First thing that happened to me when I log on is I'm being told that I'm on probation.

WTF? I wasn't even around to do anything that would result in probation.

Anyway, good luck to TSA, considering he's the only PWA that will actually do anything.

CharlieM 10-06-2008 02:29 AM

Did the staff who quit get banned? Or did they just log off in the lag spike that lasted like 10 minutes

cbk1994 10-06-2008 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 1429487)
wall of text

I'd like to see what Houdini has to say first, but that sounds like total abuse of power on his part.

Do you know who is likely going to be the next manager?

CharlieM 10-06-2008 02:45 AM

Yeah but techinically your not supposed to USD on graal, but this wasnt bad as they were doing it to help era

Frankie 10-06-2008 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1429516)
i'd like to see what houdini has to say first, but that sounds like total abuse of power on his part.

Do you know who is likely going to be the next manager?

pwa/tsa.

Shadow5596321 10-06-2008 02:57 AM

I hope it's more TSA than a different PWA.

Frankie 10-06-2008 03:00 AM

not trying to make a personal attack on TSA, but you can't really say Era under his management was any better than it is (or was) now.

Shadow5596321 10-06-2008 03:01 AM

But it's still better than some random person that has no idea about the players of Era coming in and most likely screwing things up even more.

cbk1994 10-06-2008 03:02 AM

I don't really want to see the PWA controlling a playerworld.

I'd rather see them looking over the playerworlds, and besides that, not interfering except where needed.

natchez416 10-06-2008 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 1429534)
not trying to make a personal attack on TSA, but you can't really say Era under his management was any better than it is (or was) now.

Very True.

Id have to say SNK or Dem for manager.

But it's probably going to be PWA management for a while.
Hudini Sent out a mass that said something to this affect.

Shadow5596321 10-06-2008 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by natchez416 (Post 1429542)
Hudini Sent out a mass that said something to this affect.

I sense a bit of power hunger on a server?

Frankie 10-06-2008 03:07 AM

andy would make an awesome manager. not sure if he'd want it though. andy is the best choice out of anyone.

CharlieM 10-06-2008 03:10 AM

He probably wont know any of this is going on till Houdini has given manager to some random account named "Clasix4lyfe"

Shotoo2 10-06-2008 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yocas (Post 1429502)
Is Era the only server that is constantly harassed by globals?

if I had a dollar for every time the global administration has taken over Era

xTcDiabloxTc 10-06-2008 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shotoo2 (Post 1429548)
if I had a dollar for every time the global administration has taken over Era

It wasn't really a takeover.

We let them have it.

jorollychu 10-06-2008 03:15 AM

finally you're gone i thought you already left a few months ago anyways it's good maybe they'll get a robot to manage era

Shadow5596321 10-06-2008 03:17 AM

That fat cat should be manager!

I support it!

Yocas 10-06-2008 03:21 AM

If a PWA ends up running Era it's going to turn out like Zone; underpopulated.

Kill 10-06-2008 03:21 AM

Really sad to see you guys go.
Both you and EC were really helpful and one of the very few friends I had on Era on my road to become the $4mil millionaire I was famous for... You guys did an awesome job and i'd like to thank you once again Frankie, for saving mine and Rob's butt all the time when we got robbed (pun intended).

-Kill

cbk1994 10-06-2008 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by natchez416 (Post 1429542)
SNK or Dem for manager.

Do not want.

Andy would probably do okay, though.

Sinkler 10-06-2008 03:42 AM

Well, I can't really say much.
Frankie and Icarus have their pros, as well as cons.
But we're going to have a new Era, whether or not it's better or not,
I don't know. We as Erians can only hope that everything will be fixed.
Era isn't abused by Globals. Globals want to help stop the complaints.

pooper200000 10-06-2008 03:45 AM

It is a shame there was such a break down of communication among the globals. Bell was saying one thing and Houdiniman was saying another, or at least that is what it sounds like.

The PWA as a global staff team should have presented a unified front, and at the front of that should have been TSA who was recently appointed as PWA. He should have dealt with this, talk about his moment to shine.

Houdiniman gave some warning to the staff, or at least he said he did, that there was a need for new content. Houdini then handled the situation poorly and allowed the situation to escalate to the point that the server staff quit. He didn't resolve the issue, he just mad it into a whole new monster.

Houdini should not have been involved on a such a small scale thing on the server. If anything TSA who is the previous manager and is a PWA should have resolved these problems.

The staff should have worked on content and done things as to satisfy the PWA's demands. For that they are at fault unless they did create new content.

If Houdini got in over his head, TSA should have had power to stand up to him and tell him to back off and should have then managed the situation. I can't stress how important it was for TSA to be involved, both as a staff member/previous manager, and as a PWA as well.

Both staff teams are at fault and they should both have handled the situation and should have diffused the situation rather than allow it to escalate to the point it did.

CharlieM 10-06-2008 03:45 AM

I doubt there is going to be a new era now.

Yocas 10-06-2008 04:08 AM

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7598/hoodmanvq6.th.pnghttp://img55.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif

Don't tell me Hoodman is running the server now.

Sinkler 10-06-2008 04:09 AM

HoudiniMan is running the server for our benefit. There's no reason why he shouldn't.


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