Zone-Shop Protest
 

Hey guys. This thread was built so we can leave our opinion about Zone Shops and the gelat system.

I fixed a Poll, thinking about adding Blue Rifle and Red Rifle in Zone Shops again, but purchase-able for 1month only. Altough, I don't want to re-add jetpack in shops. They still need that ''Paying players needs advantage''.

In my case, I have Perm. BR, and RR, but I still care about this. This would make the Zone's population grow up a little.
I'd also like to see gas grenades/Ammo belts(Packs of 15, etc) there again (1month before re-new of ANY item)

Anyways, your poll options are:

1- Yes, I want to see BR and RR in Zone Shops again!
2- Yes, but I'd like to see all the items that were in shops before! (Including Ammo belts[purchase-able for 1 month only, then you'll need to pay again])
3- I protest. Zone Shops are good right now.


Remember, it's your opinion. My post is not there to influence you.
It's your move now!

How about we put back all the old stuff, and rotate between new weapons that goes into the shop and the in-game trader?

Would be awesome, but they would never do it. They want Ca$H. D:

I'd rather just see decent items in the Zone money shop. Maybe they could add some new weapons (On a circulating system) and those weapons would be changed out every month. They would be gelat items too, but they would also be in the zone money shop. That way if the management does not feel comfortable releasing weapons that are currently in the gelat shop, at least something new can be added for the zone money shop.

Not to rant, but I'd like to see some experience + zone money items.
This could be a combination of experience and money for a specific item in the shop. If they really wanted to take this idea farther they could add exerpeince + zone money + gelat items. Just throwing some ideas out there ^^

Nice argument. That Exp + Zone money items is marvellous.

Agreed. nice idea :D


Btw Dan already posted that he was gonna do an update to Zone Money, although he didnt post any details.... hopefully hes gonna work on it after bunker or idk.


and what i care more about something to add to Zone money shop is JETPACK!!! this is all i rlly rlly want from gelat shop...though adding rifles would be nice too...


JETPACK4ZONEMONEYSHOP FTW!

Would be great, but I have my reason for trials having no access to zone money jetpack.

Why?
It would increase the number of people running while they get owned.

Someone recently brought up a decent point, I can't remember who, it might have been Rufus. Wouldn't it make more sense to have one form of membership?
Meaning should we have gelats and no gold membership, or gold membership and no gelats?

Perhaps we should have a gold membership which can be bought for gelats (A compromise) , and once membership is bought there could be only weapons that can be bought only if one is in the possesion of gold membership. There could still be gelat items, but there could be items that can be bought with gold access only. Once again, just throwing some ideas in for discussion.

Sorry this is some what off topic to your thread Tsunami.

OUCH. That comment just opened my eyes. O.O
Just figured I paid for 100 hp and classes. -_-

But don't worry, this was not off thread. It's a good information you just gave. Maybe if we all say that, we would be like me. Eyes like eggs, cannot sleep.

Anyways, cya guys. I'm out for the week, my homeworks awaits me. :)

I wish zone would go back the way it was before...

But there makeing money off selling these guns for gelats, so I dont think anything will change x.X

I have an idea.

Bluerifle, Redrifle, Jetpack, All Ammo

Return to shop, only purchaseable by Gold players. I think that sounds extremely fair and reasonable.

Nerf assault pistols, copy everything to the trader as well, don't allow trials to purchase weapons from the trader.

The thing i liked about old zone was that you had to get a certain amount of cash to buy things, and this required getting kills. now you just ask 'mommy' to buy you something like that. thats welfare.

Zone should just remove their stupid Gelatshop, Or atleast ONLY have the weapons which are also being sold at the Trader. They should just put all weapons which u can buy in the Gelat shop in the Trader-shop, But for Goldplayers only? That would be alot better then this. Oh and, Trial's shouldnt be able to play without Observermode, And still have acces to everything. Now they dont have to buy gold anymore. The only thing u cant use is some classes/clothes. Oh ya and u cant recieve Event Prizes.

i agree with you, but y no pipe/gas-bombs?

I agree with Jesse and Crono.

:whatever:

Well, I think trials should be able to buy ammo forever, but for weapons, it's just borrowing.

Let's say, for one week, they could buy BR for 500 Zone Cash
One month, 1200 Zone cash.
The forever option would be only available to gold members and would have the normal full price. Of course, an increase in the prices would have to happen, but what is all our cash for nowadays?

If you staffs don't agree, at least make ammo and throwables back in the zone shop, I highly doubt you make any money with those.

like TOTALY AGREED.:)

I believe Stefan had a response to that saying "YOU HAZ IT. Y U CAREZ?"

1. This thread is stupid and bias. No offense.
2. Suck it up and subscribe, I'll discuss my idea seen in the previous post with Dan/Stefan.

So his protest of wanting old stuff back is stupid and bias? Really, Jesse. Zone is all about whose daddys and mommys have the MOST MONEY.

Yes, I feel its stupid. And its EXTREMELY bias, the poll options are basically...

Do you want stuff put back in shop:
Yes, why spend money if I don't have to.
No, I'd rather pay real life money for these objects.

And this poll is going out to the customers of graal, so hows this not bias again?

Mm and incase you didn't notice, John.
I'm trying to get old stuff back. In the old days only Zone Gold members were able to buy such weapons, because trials would need to play for several hours streight to obtain money for these items, only to have them removed when they logged. And thats what I'm sudgesting, these items return to the in-game shop, for Gold members only like the old days.

Lets remove the click-shoot while were fixing things... ;)


Also yes they should be added back to the in-game shop so its about skill and not who has more money

The customer is always right!

No, if you know anything about business (I'm not sure if you do, doesn't seem like it though...) you'd know, yes you do need to meet the customers needs, but you need to do so while making money. If you aren't making money you have to sacrifice a few things of the customers. And I wouldn't even say what graal is doing is "sacrifice" since they've provided more for the players with more updates this year then ever before.

Can't answer the question you quoted? Because its extremely bias eh?

Yeah, name some major updates.

I still don't see how it's biased or anything it's related to in your post Jesse.

Snowrace, Jumprace, Platforms, More weapons then ever before, bunker soon, ect.

And if you don't see the bias, your trying to ignore it, for fear of admitting your wrong.

You can't make money if you aren't pleasing the customer, and if the method your using is raking in money from a very small group of people, it'd be in your best interest to listen to customers. The people spending the money know more about what they want to pay for than you do.

Ok, we got stuff that is over hosted, The other one switchs betweens Zone Wars, and more weapons that are absoulty over powered. Yeah, great updates >.>

So, i'm scarred since i don't see this "bias"? I think your SCARRED that YOUR WRONG and won't admit it.


Yeah. Really, I'm starting to see why they choose you. Your turning into them, The ones that kill the server by over flowing it with events, and expect people not to complain. The people who don't listen to their players. Really, I enjoyed talking with you when you were ET, We would have atleast conversation about stuff. Now it's just all /ignore since you've gotten that ETA position.

Seriously, are you trying to joke or something? Do you know what it is to be "bias"?

I wrote up the reasons as to why I was made ETA, but then I realized it made me sound really kocky. If you think I was hired because I'm "turning" then thats your decision.

^...?!Whats this?!... ^


I'm older and more mature then I used to be. ET isn't as significant as ETA and take my job more seriously. But I joke around quite a bit, as long as no one screws anything up.
Forgive me for ignoring people whom I dislike (you) who are trying to talk to me about information, not relivant to my job that I don't care about.

How don't I listen to Zone players? Who convinced Dan to kill Ravens Iricia? Or in this thread me saying I would attempt to have items placed back to the in-game shop. Not to mention I plan events for Gelet weapons they would have to pay for. Players enjoy the events for the most part.
Wth? I pay for Zone too?

Yes, actually i do. But do you?


Yeah, actually i do.


What that!? Is that a post that has completely no reliation to our coversation?! I think so!



Going around going "sex?" Is very inapproprite for the age group Graal is trying to get.

Wow, this turned a blind eye since i was fired, Stop playing sides you ******* and choose a side, Either you like me or you don't and i don't give two ****s what you pick ass clown. Then why post at all?


The players. The only reason you did this is because the players complained, (You finally stepped in when it when on for weeks) just like you and most of the other people, They don't listen to the customers. Instead, they make ****ty staff feel good about themselves. But at the same time, You don't want to lose your job right? Because everytime some staff disagree with something. They get fired. This is partly why mangement sucks. Staff can't speek their mind. They have to be robots and follow only one leader. Yeah, over hosted events that is keeping Zone alive and making Dan, Stefan, Unixmad cashmonies.

Wth? Like one hour a day and that's going around saying "sex?" or just idiling.

I was referring to your argument against "the customer is always right". Not implying that you specifically were the one it was directed to, but if you actually put forth the effort to read it in context with the post it replied to, it might make more sense.

No you don't. You are to big headed to admit your wrong. Sorry.

*Sigh*

Excuse me? "Sex?", is a simple question asking ones gender. Perhaps you should get your mind out of the gutter.

Naw, that was me ;P. And I'm really confused, are you actually getting mad at me for stepping in and helping the players? XD. Now I KNOW your just trying to attack me in this thread.

1. If events are keeping Zone alive, props to me, I'm the ETA. (though events aren't whats keeping it alive)
2. ? I speak my mind all the time to the management and don't get fired. People speak their mind to me all the time and don't get fired?

You didn't make that obvious at all.


And John, I've hated you for the past 1-2 years? Why are you so surprised? Just because I hire someone to ET doesn't mean I like them, it means I think they have potential to do well. Anyway I'm done posting/looking at this thread. Its obvious you don't understand bias and are just trying to attack me now XD.

I was only making a joke. :cry:

Anyway, the updates you mentioned earlier are no more than rushed, unprofessional attempts to try and satisfy the players whining for something decent. It's ridiculous, don't you notice how when players complain about a lack of updates they then just complain about the updates themselves when they are eventually released?

If the management took the time to actually properly test weapons and such before their release, then perhaps things would go smoother. I know what a shambles it is when a new weapon is released. It's not seen as a major thing (Especially by Stefan). Take the metallic rifle for instance, I told Stefan all the specifications it needed and he said to me "Yes, will do soon". Then I have to remind him constantly about it and eventually he goes and does something. He asks me to come onto client to help him test it as he scripts it there, on the spot. First he set the ammo and gave it to me so that I could equip it. He then used the chaingun script! The thing fired like crazy and did about 40 damage a bullet. All he did then was slow it down considerably and lower the damage somewhat. That's why when you use the metallic rifle it has that exceedingly large variance that only an automatic weapon should possess. Goes to show how lazy staff can be.

Now, take the assault pistols for instance, this has got a lot of stick for being overpowered. What would any normal professional management do? They would quickly try to amend their mistakes so as not to upset the players, but this is not the case with Zone's management. They don't do anything at all! It's kind of sad that the players have actually had to adjust their fighting style so that they can actually take someone down who uses the assault pistols.

Stefan should either pay real developers, and not some 16 year old Dutch kid who never set foot on the server. With real developers they would actually be motivated because they are getting payed, and will end up doing a decent job. If real developers are out of the question, get someone who is passionate about Zone and developing games.

However, this can backfire. I was passionate about Zone and developing/managing online games. Heck, look at all those threads on the forums I made containing various information! I wasn't asked to do those, I did them because I enjoyed contributing to the community and helping out new players so that perhaps Stefan could make a bit of extra cash.

I had a good relationship with the players and they would PM my RC suggesting improvements and reporting bugs. I would then form a list of all of these, and check them out to make sure they were worth doing. For example if someone complained about a certain weapon being overpowered, I would ask multiple people just to see if it wasn't that one guy. I then would give the list to Stefan and he'd take notice of it once then never look at it again! This felt awful, since I was doing this all in my free time and my hard work never got noticed (Cue violins playing in the background)!

Then after 4 years of hard work that was underappreciated my computer broke down and it was 4 weeks until I got a new one. I guess most people thought I died or whatever, but upon returning some Dutch kid had taken my place. I introduced myself, saying I helped out with Zone and various other things, I asked if my rights could be re-instated so that I could get straight back to work, but Daniel was unsure of this and told me to talk to Stefan. I said fine, I'll see Stefan. I talked to him and then I only got back a fraction of what my previous rights were. You'd think after 4 years slaving away over a hot monitor he would have at least had the decency to give me all my rights back! I talked to Dan about this and he said that he only gave me rights that let me upload stuff to my folder on debug.

Anyway, this may seem like me trying to gain sympathy (Albeit I think I went on a bit long :p), but I mentioned this because the staff are so terribly disorganised and unprofessional. The only professional staff other than myself (;P) were Gambet and Vulcan, and all of you can agree with me on that because they took their work seriously.

I could name a few games that listen to the customers and still make a buttload of cash....

*cough* i thought this discuccion was about the zone money shop *cough*

as I sed be4 Dan has a plan for this... so lets just wait till he reveals some info or sometin.

I believe Dan said he might do it. There's no for sure if he has a plan.

Discussions develope.

I see someone has to result in name calling now.


*sigh*


Bull**** you know that. Your just covering your ass.


Wait, now i'm actually attacking you? I've stated that fact way before you've gained ETA. So now when i say to you, it's an attack?


Ok, take my challenge. Go two months without events. That's including Events/Zone planet, Snowrace, Jumprace, Lava, and fun events and let's see the playercount.
I'm not going to mention any names, But a had a conversation with someone that was in pretty deep water because he spoke what he thought.


You fail at trying to change your logic. You and me were friends. You know that, You just won't admit it. Since i've been stating that Zone is only living off of events (which is true) You've been either ignoring my posts along with the other mangement, or they don't check the forums until i start making agurements in different threads. Read above? Good thing you taught me the rules eh?
Aww, running since you have no facts to back up your claims? Good bye.