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Stromstedt 06-25-2007 12:18 AM
Endora is a big copy/fake
 
Why in the hell is Endora using the Andor overworld with a few walls and a new tileset? Look at it, it looks exactly the same! Don't copy other peoples' work and claim it as your own, that's called plagiarism. Learn to do your own work, quit plagiarizing, and quit advertising on other servers.

Codein 06-25-2007 12:29 AM
They never claimed it as our own :P From the start of the project I understood the overworld was from a previous playerworld and was not uploaded anywhere else. :P Contiga and Wan improved it greatly. I was there right at the start of revival project because infact, Endora is a revival.

If you're one of KuJi's boys, he can't say much. GraalX ripped it's ideas from Era, which is the same principles really.

Stromstedt 06-25-2007 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Codein (Post 1322014)
They never claimed it as our own :P From the start of the project I understood the overworld was from a previous playerworld and was not uploaded anywhere else. :P Contiga and Wan improved it greatly. I was there right at the start of revival project because infact, Endora is a revival.

If you're one of KuJi's boys, he can't say much. GraalX ripped it's ideas from Era, which is the same principles really.
I'm not KuJi's friend, I just know him. That playerworld was uploaded. The overworld is Andor's with a few walls added. I'm going to talk to Stefan about it on debug later.

Tigairius 06-25-2007 01:16 AM
Seriously, it's okay if you revive a playerworld that you don't have permission to revive maybe privately, but if it's hosted... :\
I know Andor very well, and I also see Endora ... I see few differences.

Codein 06-25-2007 01:21 AM
Well, as the rule goes, all uploaded to GraalOnline is copyrighted to GraalOnline. Since nobody was using it and it's technically property of Graal Online, I reckon they're eligible to use it.

Inverness 06-25-2007 01:22 AM
If nothing is being done with Andor then why would you even care? Don't make a situation out of it just because you can, not accusing you or anything but thats my opinion.

Felix_Xenophobe 06-25-2007 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Inverness (Post 1322028)
If nothing is being done with Andor then why would you even care? Don't make a situation out of it just because you can, not accusing you or anything but thats my opinion.
We need more drama.

Codein 06-25-2007 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Felix_Xenophobe (Post 1322029)
We need more drama.
Hey, enough drama's being created on the side of antiunixmad. Hah, it's almost political.

Crono 06-25-2007 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Codein (Post 1322027)
Well, as the rule goes, all uploaded to GraalOnline is copyrighted to GraalOnline. Since nobody was using it and it's technically property of Graal Online, I reckon they're eligible to use it.
They gotta ask CJ for permission to use it.

It's bad enough this server is only an ever so slightly better version of Zodiac...

Codein 06-25-2007 01:43 AM
Ah well, not exactly my problem :P I've moved on to bigger and better things.

Rufus 06-25-2007 01:48 AM
They're using Andor's overworld? Wtf?

Stromstedt 06-25-2007 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1322037)
They're using Andor's overworld? Wtf?
I hate these *****s that try to take content that isn't their own. That server needs to die.

Infernix 06-25-2007 07:17 AM
ahh Andor would haver been like Endora anyways which is just a slightly better version of Zodiac with the same crappy hit detected retarded weapons.

Brandon_Bravo 06-25-2007 08:20 AM
MysticalDragon and myself were the managers of Andor. MD is now the manager of Endora, and I'm on staff there myself, as well. We both, quite obviously, give permission for the content to be used in this manner, so what exactly is the problem here?


***EDIT: Also, to clarify, this is not a resurrection attempt - it is just an overworld.

Rapidwolve 06-25-2007 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Brandon_Bravo (Post 1322204)
MysticalDragon and myself were the managers of Andor. MD is now the manager of Endora, and I'm on staff there myself, as well. We both, quite obviously, give permission for the content to be used in this manner, so what exactly is the problem here?
zomg itz brandon. <3

Rufus 06-25-2007 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Brandon_Bravo (Post 1322204)
MysticalDragon and myself were the managers of Andor. MD is now the manager of Endora, and I'm on staff there myself, as well. We both, quite obviously, give permission for the content to be used in this manner, so what exactly is the problem here?


***EDIT: Also, to clarify, this is not a resurrection attempt - it is just an overworld.
Seems like a pathetic and lazy excuse to not make a new fresh overworld. Andor's overworld was for Andor, and is Andor.

Brandon_Bravo 06-25-2007 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1322207)
Seems like a pathetic and lazy excuse to not make a new fresh overworld. Andor's overworld was for Andor, and is Andor.
I just joined the staff a few days ago and with all of the other mess and commotion that has been going on, the production of content has been on the backburner for a while, apparently. I don't necessarily condone the reuse of content, I'm merely stating that there is no issue with respect to permission.

Rufus 06-25-2007 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Brandon_Bravo (Post 1322208)
I just joined the staff a few days ago and with all of the other mess and commotion that has been going on, the production of content has been on the backburner for a while, apparently. I don't necessarily condone the reuse of content, I'm merely stating that there is no issue with respect to permission.
In my opinion it is pretty cheap using content from old servers on a new server which a far cry from the original, and simply does not compliment it at all. Sure there's always that argument of, "well nobody is using it" but Brent brought up a very good point when the last revival of Andor came along, and I'm aware you're not reviving it, I'm stating the situation in which he said it..

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Originally Posted by SaijinGohan (Post 1286860)
Why can't it be left alone? Why do we have to have the content to make this live? Ask, what was Andor? Was it the levels that brought people there? No. Was it the activities/games? No. It was the people. Forget the levels, make something new so you don't bring back the people from the past; and put into it the spirit that made Andor so awesome.

Crono 06-25-2007 12:29 PM
Andor was always nothing, what was he on about?

Inverness 06-25-2007 12:29 PM
Problem solved, lets drop the issue now folks.

zokemon 06-25-2007 10:48 PM
If anything, servers should reuse content from dead servers. Everyone coming up with new ideas and starting every damn idea over is not getting anything produced, folks.

Elk 06-26-2007 12:01 AM
lets hug each other and share the happyness!

Thrashsoul3 06-26-2007 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Elk (Post 1322464)
lets hug each other and share the happyness!
HAPPINESS, you dumb flamer.

PrinceOfKenshin 06-26-2007 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Codein (Post 1322014)
If you're one of KuJi's boys, he can't say much. GraalX ripped it's ideas from Era, which is the same principles really.
Whoa there buddy. There is a complete difference. One Graal X didn't rip of Era. It is a "modern server", if you ever played Graal X you would know that it was a lot different. Yea sure same idea to have guns and a modern tileset. But Endora is not ripping off anything it is stealing. = ) and stealing is worse than ripping off

killerogue 06-26-2007 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by PrinceOfKenshin (Post 1322483)
Whoa there buddy. There is a complete difference. One Graal X didn't rip of Era. It is a "modern server", if you ever played Graal X you would know that it was a lot different. Yea sure same idea to have guns and a modern tileset. But Endora is not ripping off anything it is stealing. = ) and stealing is worse than ripping off
Endora didn't steal squat Smartass. Brandon and MD were the older Managers of Andor. MD IS the manager of Endora. They BOTH gave permission. So what are YOU on about?

Codein 06-26-2007 01:22 AM
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But Endora is not ripping off anything it is stealing. = ) and stealing is worse than ripping off
Even though stealing is theft of property. Even though it was not being used by anyone and remained part of GraalOnline, so it wasn't theft. GraalX had many of the same concepts Era lies on. You can't say this wasn't true when it was first created. Endora's overworld had been developed, the concepts been developed. So basically, it's the same boat. :P

WonderBread 06-26-2007 01:50 AM
Endora's owner is a **** head. He SHOULD leave graal. I got banned, I massed saying that the ET's weren't good, because they just weren't. He messed with the order of the event's, and i massed it. The owner, using his special "tools" made the tool keep on killing me, and when he got bored he banned me for 6 days. After the ban was up I went back to the server, and I was perm banned for manipulating the graal client, which i don't even know what that means. x-X

Inverness 06-26-2007 01:59 AM
I'm becoming EXTREMELY irritated with the apparent lack of action on part of the global staff towards the owner of Endora. I believe it should be obvious that he is severely out of line and needs to be dealt with. We do not need power-hungry 12 year olds (in mentality) running playerworlds.

zokemon 06-26-2007 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Inverness (Post 1322506)
I'm becoming EXTREMELY irritated with the apparent lack of action on part of the global staff towards the owner of Endora. I believe it should be obvious that he is severely out of line and needs to be dealt with. We do not need power-hungry 12 year olds (in mentality) running playerworlds.
He's becoming EXTREMELY irritated with the apparent lack of action on part of the global staff towards the owner of Endora.

And so am I.

Quoted for effect.

Darlene159 06-26-2007 03:48 AM
*sigh*

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