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Looking for a NAT to do the job

Hi once again Graal
Its Rave Platinum from Bionic
i have a major project which is going to be hard i already got it gfx all the way
an just need it scripted so im looking for a nat to do the job

its going to be a DDR System
the Dance Dance Revolution arcade game
i have the music for it an all i have to do is the background an thats almost done now

if you think you can do the job an want to do the job then post it on here or aim at Rave6298
an leave a message thanks
also you will get credit for the scripting too

You sir are attempting to create my dream. I love you.

:O sounds cool, though i cant script well or I'd help xD
Thats gunna own :)

for people who dont know what DDR is
watch this video then you will know what DDR
is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuinJYtN0DM

I still don't see how DDR in Graal could be a major project. If made, it should be made a kind of minigame or event...

What? It's just a bunch of keydown checks.

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Originally Posted by Gambet (Post 1320212)

What? It's just a bunch of keydown checks.

Yea and the only thing for the arrows is a simple gani script that you can adjust the speed to. I probably could script the server hehe and i'm not even that good at gs2

Sorry to ruin your idea Rave Platinum but it wouldn't work that well. I personally am a major fanatic of that game (well I actually grew tired of DDR and moved to ITG which is a much better version of that style of games) so I know a ton about it. The timing for that game breaks down into milliseconds or even less. A millisecond is one thousandth of a second or 0.001 seconds. Unfortunately, Graal's fastest speed possible is 0.05 seconds which is 50 milliseconds.

That's horrible when you want to introduce a game that is so dependent on timing. I don't know how much you play DDR but I am sure you are familiar with the scoring system for each note:
Perfect - Almost exactly on the timing for the note (in actually a perfect isn't really perfect but it is pretty close).
Great - Fairly close to being on the timing for the note.
Good - Not so close at all.
Almost - Horribly off timing such as a whole 1/4 off (a 1/4 beat is your standard red arrow)
Boo - Just bad.

In a slow song (say 100 bpm) you could probably get away with this as there might be a whole 2 or maybe even 3 frames (0.05 seconds in Graal terms) between a Perfect and a Good which could be enough to get some minor accuracy and precision for note-timing detection. Now if were to play a faster song possibly even at 200 BPM, there might only be 1 frame between a Perfect and a Good. As you know, a Good isn't really good at all as it breaks your combo and doesn't raise your life bar at all. Get even faster then 200 BPM (say, Max 300 or the Paranoia mixes) you won't even have a single frame in between Perfect and Good which makes for plain horrible note-timing checks.

Of course all of these examples follow under the assumption that each note would fall exactly on a Graal frame if you were to hit it at 100% accuracy. In actuality, that wouldn't happen. In the given example above about the 300 or so BPM songs, you might not even get a change to get either a Perfect or Great at all because frame 1 (for a given note) would give you a [i]Good[i] for hitting it to early and frame 2 (again, for a given note) would give you a Good for hitting it to late.

Anyways, I really am not trying to discourage you from making this happen but I want to warn you that it isn't all that possible to make it work out to well.

Now we can also talk about music copyrights. Unless you have someone that will compose music for you... Well, I won't go any further ;)

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Originally Posted by Twinny (Post 1320138)

I still don't see how DDR in Graal could be a major project. If made, it should be made a kind of minigame or event...

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Originally Posted by Gambet (Post 1320212)

What? It's just a bunch of keydown checks.

You both fail to see the complexity of timing. Especially for Graal. Do you want to be the ones to convert Stepmania step files into a readable Graal format?

actaully i make my own music i edit the music they have an redo it a little bit an add stuff to have my own style of that music

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Originally Posted by Rave_J (Post 1320411)

actaully i make my own music i edit the music they have an redo it a little bit an add stuff to have my own style of that music

Alright that's good, but that still doesn't solve the problem I stated in the first 90% of my post.

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Originally Posted by zokemon (Post 1320440)

Alright that's good, but that still doesn't solve the problem I stated in the first 90% of my post.

It sounds like it would be okay but just wouldn't have much precision (also meaning people can't really do that much better than other people...since being more precise isn't possible)... so maybe it would at least be good as a mini-game for a server....

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Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks (Post 1320507)

Exactly.

no no kk
if you change the weather script to make it go up
you can change the speed to go alot faster then what yall are thinking that it can go i found a way to make it really fast
but yall will see when it goes up

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Originally Posted by Rave_J (Post 1320620)

But you said your self that you are hiring scripters. This must mean you are not a scripter (or not atleast capable enough to create such a system) and if you don't have the knowledge of the subject material, how can you know if it is possible or not?

I personally am a very capable scripter and I also know timing and music very well. You can trust my infomation on this subject probably more then anyone else on Graal.

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I did that and got '0.497752926' which seems pretty damn accurate. Most players won't notice a 0.05 second timing difference and it seems like it's only a minigame ( i hope)...it seems do-able and Zero: accept the fact that most players will not notice a 0.05 second delay let alone a 0.25 second delay.

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Originally Posted by Twinny (Post 1320634)

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You realize how long a quarter of a second is? This guy is talking about making a whole server based off of DDR (or so a gathered), so no, it wouldn't be just a mini game. But hey, I challenge anyone to make such a system using a song that doesn't fall under a BPM evenly divisible by 0.05 seconds and manage to get all perfects on the notes. The steps should include parts with all 4/4 count notes and also parts that include more chaotic notes such as streamed 1/12th notes, 1/16th note gallops and 1/4-1/8-1/16-1/8-1/4 series sets.

DDR is horrible. In The Groove is alot better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df012p-FGds ROFL owned

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Originally Posted by Thrashsoul3 (Post 1320784)

DDR is horrible. In The Groove is alot better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df012p-FGds ROFL owned

As stated in my first post. I only reference DDR as most people don't know what ITG is. I prefer ITG not only because of the game it self but also the songs are way more my style as I am also a raver.

I have few concept to make it work, You have me as a resource. :]