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Thallen 05-01-2007 05:38 AM

Disabling Lighting Effects
 
Okay, Dusty posting something similar to this, that means it's a problem...

Lighting effects give me client lag that is completely unavoidable. I cannot play like this, it is so choppy, and in levels without lights, it's smooth as anything. If it doesn't disable lights, why even have it in the options? Pretty colors aren't worth moving 1 tile every 3 seconds.

DustyPorViva 05-01-2007 06:02 AM

Woo, I'm not alone!
Ya... I don't see why it should be dependent on the scripter.
Hell... I didn't even know it had changed until it was mentioned. I just don't see the point in making it an option, then only have it so scripters have to disable it themselves. It may as well just be coded to disable lights.

zokemon 05-01-2007 07:42 AM

It doesn't actually disable lights anymore? Woohoo!

As for you two:
I suggest a better graphics card or more RAM for your computer (if you can afford it)

I suggest newegg.com as computer parts are fairly cheap there :)

Crow 05-01-2007 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zokemon (Post 1304817)
It doesn't actually disable lights anymore? Woohoo!

As for you two:
I suggest a better graphics card or more RAM for your computer (if you can afford it)

I suggest newegg.com as computer parts are fairly cheap there :)

OH MY GOD ITS AN URL ITS AN URL! RUN! RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!!

But hey, I guess it doesnt matter that you cant turn all of the lights off. v4 really pushed the performance. Runs twice as fast as v2.3 at my sisters computer (266 mhz, 128 mb RAM, 4 mb graphics).

Darlene159 05-01-2007 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow (Post 1304839)
OH MY GOD ITS AN URL ITS AN URL! RUN! RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!!

I don't say anything about links in Tech support, as long as they are helpful.

As for the subject, Personally, I don't notice much lag with light effects enabled.

zokemon 05-01-2007 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crow (Post 1304839)
OH MY GOD ITS AN URL ITS AN URL! RUN! RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!!

But hey, I guess it doesnt matter that you cant turn all of the lights off. v4 really pushed the performance. Runs twice as fast as v2.3 at my sisters computer (266 mhz, 128 mb RAM, 4 mb graphics).

It's not like I am advertising anything that is compitition for Graal.

xXziroXx 05-01-2007 02:47 PM

The problem is most likely that scripters doesnt add this in their light scripts:

PHP Code:

if (lighteffectsenabled


DustyPorViva 05-01-2007 03:15 PM

Yes, but I think the real problem is that they have to for every single light effect.
I just don't see why it has to be done in a script now, and not disabled by the exe itself.

Admins 05-01-2007 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1304861)
Yes, but I think the real problem is that they have to for every single light effect.
I just don't see why it has to be done in a script now, and not disabled by the exe itself.

It's not that simple.
The Era cars use rotation -> hide them because they are techincally a lighteffect?
The kingdoms spells -> just hide them and you get killed by invisible spell effects?
GUI graphics -> hide them because they use stretched graphics?
Bitmap Fonts -> they use "lighteffects" for drawing

It is not hard to hide all those effects, but you wouldn't see a lot anymore.

Crow 05-01-2007 03:41 PM

Replace the spells with images (when light effects are turned off). Stretched or rotated images shouldnt count as "light effects"..

Edit: Or turn around the whole thing. Something like a variable if they shouldnt be hidden.

DustyPorViva 05-01-2007 04:13 PM

Perhaps it should be more specific then.
I think lighteffects should pertain specifically to color effects, because that's what can really slow down some people's computers... actual lighteffects.

Tigairius 05-01-2007 05:23 PM

I think you should be able to force light effects, but if the lighting isn't being forced, then you shouldn't have to add lighteffectsenabled in your script in order to have it disabled. Some levels just cant be displayed properly without forced lighting.

Thallen 05-01-2007 10:25 PM

I'm not going to go and buy more RAM or a better card for Graal when there is no reason the future shouldn't be true to what it represents. It worked before, why should it stop now? I'm sure Stefan is capable of doing it...

zokemon 05-01-2007 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thallen (Post 1304918)
I'm not going to go and buy more RAM or a better card for Graal when there is no reason the future shouldn't be true to what it represents. It worked before, why should it stop now? I'm sure Stefan is capable of doing it...

Are you saying Graal is the only MMORPG your computer will ever see in its entire life?

Crow 05-02-2007 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zokemon (Post 1304920)
Are you saying Graal is the only MMORPG your computer will ever see in its entire life?

You call Graal an MMORPG? Whatever, Thallen, you should really get some hardware upgrades. Graal is even below standards, so that shouldnt be a problem, really.

Thallen 05-02-2007 11:54 PM

I use a laptop, and that isn't even the point. The point is, for some reason, Graal removed a very key feature...

Skyld 05-03-2007 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thallen (Post 1304918)
I'm not going to go and buy more RAM or a better card for Graal when there is no reason the future shouldn't be true to what it represents. It worked before, why should it stop now? I'm sure Stefan is capable of doing it...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thallen
I use a laptop, and that isn't even the point. The point is, for some reason, Graal removed a very key feature...

Graal 2 was a very different client to Graal 4, and it makes sense to use lighteffects for such basic components such as the font rendering and such because the majority of computers can render it much faster without placing as much load on the CPU itself.

If you just disabled those capabilities, then things would just not work, as Stefan already said.

Besides, most of the time, you can improve graphics performance just by using the latest graphics drivers from the vendor of your graphics adapter.

Thallen 05-04-2007 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyld (Post 1305117)
Graal 2 was a very different client to Graal 4, and it makes sense to use lighteffects for such basic components such as the font rendering and such because the majority of computers can render it much faster without placing as much load on the CPU itself.

If you just disabled those capabilities, then things would just not work, as Stefan already said.

Besides, most of the time, you can improve graphics performance just by using the latest graphics drivers from the vendor of your graphics adapter.

Be serious, what is disabling lighting effects going to do except maybe disturb an event? I'm pretty sure events like Night PK and stuff used to warp players out who didn't use lighting effects, same for Laser Tag on Maloria...

Skyld 05-04-2007 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Thallen (Post 1305470)
Be serious, what is disabling lighting effects going to do except maybe disturb an event? I'm pretty sure events like Night PK and stuff used to warp players out who didn't use lighting effects, same for Laser Tag on Maloria...

I don't think you understood what I mean.

Technically, "light effects" are empowering various things in Graal, not just visible "lights".

zokemon 05-04-2007 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thallen (Post 1305470)
Be serious, what is disabling lighting effects going to do except maybe disturb an event? I'm pretty sure events like Night PK and stuff used to warp players out who didn't use lighting effects, same for Laser Tag on Maloria...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyld (Post 1305117)
Graal 2 was a very different client to Graal 4, and it makes sense to use lighteffects for such basic components such as the font rendering

Seriously. A huge amount of things would just look very bad and not work right if light effects were to be disabled.

Crow 05-04-2007 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zokemon (Post 1305478)
Seriously. A huge amount of things would just look very bad and not work right if light effects were to be disabled.

Exactly. Just keep them enabled. If your laptop cant handle Graal...well, get a new one then, seriously..


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