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64 bit support
Should say Lack of, but seriously people. Some acknoledgement that 64bit atleast exists would be great.
Did you know that your crappy little graal client won't even lauch on a 64 bit Environment?! I am seriously annoyed at this, I just want to get on the game and play. I can't even do that, I might have to end up thinking of moving on into another game, but I really like graal for what potential there is here. Maybe I should find someone to just hack the client and remove that stupid "memory checker" so I can just play without being stopped by some fickle little bit of programming that THINKS I am trying to hack just because I'm on a 64bit XP copy. |
First, drop the angst.
Second, will you explain exactly what happens when you try to start the client? Does it start and close again? Does it write anything to graal4console.log? Does it write anything to the Windows event log? Do any dialog boxes with errors come up? |
the "anti memory editor" built into the graal program prevents any and all logs from being written to disk for debug purposes. Also the Windows System event viewer will not log it because its graal4.exe that closes itself, not an actuall error.
So unless its re-written legitimately, my only choice to ever play graal again on this PC is to spen a good week restoring my computer to a 32 bit state, and to be honest. You have no idea how much I hate doing that, however I might as well start soon. Its just too bad I don't exactly have a DVD-rom to use anymore seeing mine just died on my PC. Its going to be a bit before I can get a replacement, so installing windows is out of the question right now anyways. Any idea who I should contact to rewrite graal for 64 bit? Or should I do the run around in a circle dance some more? |
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I don't even know why you need to have your computer on a 64 bit OS. are you doing high-precision mathematical calculations? Do you have more than 4 GB of ram? 32 bit emulation is sufficient for most ordinary tasks (Including playing high-end games) Perhaps the reason that there is no 64 bit support for Graal is the same reason that Adobe didn't release a 64bit flash plug-in. Simply no market for it, wasted resources... Until the majority of program writers move their default platform to 64 bit, it will suffer the same kind of support Linux has for drivers. |
Alright Falcor, think of this once.
That new Vista came out takes atleast a good 1GB of ram just to run properly, now on most 32 bit systems thats 1/4th their max capacity. But the real fact is, its actually about 1/2 or 3/4th their capacity because not all boards actaully support a full 4 GB's of ram. Did you know that Oblivion takes 512 to 1GB of ram to run properly? If your doing math that is 2GB right there, now on most board's, thats the most you'll ever get right there. However if you wanted to stay ontop of your hardware updating things you'd go for 3 GB of ram. Soon 4.. Just because of the extras that are starting to come out. In compairison, 32 bit has its days numbers, 64 bit doesn't. The actual Ram support is built into the XP OS as about 128 GB or something, no way you can top that really. Not to mention the fact I can actually hold all 8GB's of Ram and use Both of my processors on XP PRO (32 & 64 bit). I'd much rather stay with my 64 bit OS because of future requirements for these huge applications. So go ahead, keep thinking they should only make 32 bit appz, its a dead architecture soon anyways. In my personal opinion your view on 64 bit being a waist, is rather ironic, as I think further development of 32 bit is waisting ones time. ** Told DEP to ignore graal, so I finally launches after I run about 30 other programs. This is rediculous. |
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To be honest, if that little company that made the OS is unable to make it compatible with existing programs then it is a shame, other companies are able to write things that work (Apple). Of course I would like to work on making Graal more compatible with 64 bit systems, but there are priorities. Like I said we might soon be able to debug Graal on 64 bit Vista, but I cannot guarantee when a compatble Graal version will be released.
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At this point I could try several different beta versions for you, as I have nothing better to do. Or what actually might work in this case, seeing that the current graal version won't launch at all at this time.
*Basically hold down the enter key on the graal4 shortcut until a window or two pops up or the system finally crashes from running the cpu(s) over 100%. (the later of system crashing occurs more often, almost always infact) |
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Its like the switch from DVDs to BluRay or HD-DVD. It will take time for people to make the switch. (A very long time) And while this is happening, its not wise to alienate your already existing (and large) base of 32-Bit users by investing a lot of time into 64-Bit fixes/optimizations/etc that will only be enjoyed by a small percentage of the customer base. This is especially true since the 64 bit processors can run 32 bit programs, so by developing 32 bit programs you alienate no one. |
Yea ok, How about we just get some fix to get graal to work. Thats all I want to do K...
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I might be wrong on this, but I think you can tell Vista (In the compatibily options) that you want graal to run Windows XP SP2 compatible. Which also emulates 32-bit and puts the program in an allocated block of memory that is 32bit readable. This might solve the cheat reader error.
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Whats the point of even having a 64-bit system, Besides the Nintendo64 XD
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I had the same problem.. I reformatted to 32bit not to play Graal but because ATI messed up really badly, and 64bit has lots of problems that I doubt will ever get fixed.
But yeah, I agree with ReBorn_Spirit, while I had 64bit I had to go to my mom's computer and my parents yell at me for spending too much time on my mom's computer. Just start and get a 64bit computer and get someone to start debugging. |
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The best & most stable way to get graal to run on this 64 bit XP would be to recompile it for either XP x64 or windows 2003 x64. They are basically the same things, with a few minor differences. Chances are, if a 64bit version of the Windows Vista graal client were to be compiled it would have a fair chance of succeding. Quote:
**here, read up on the "memory limitations" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64_bit ** What is an exabit/exabyte, take a look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte |
I know what bytes are and how they work , yibbibyte or however you spell, I'm just saying I dont really know any applications that run on 64-bit that can be run on 32-bit. oh well, I dont have the money to go buy a new OS or more RAM only have 512 MB right now
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Media Player 11 32 bit / 64 bit virtual cd 8 32 bit / 64 bit all of the built in programs to windows are 32 or 64 bit depending upon your architecture. Other programs are also released with atleast some compatibility for 64 bit users so they don't destroy their user base like Graal is. |
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The problem is third party software and seeing the benefits of expanding to 64 bit or just working with 32. Its an economic decision. Of course 64 bit is way better ( I don't argue that), but its just not practical right at the moment. Currently, software vendors don't see the benefits (On a cost/benefit analysis) of switching their code base to 64, or working on a 64 bit copy in tandem. When that cost/benefit changes to favor 64 bit, you'll see a lot more support for it. I myself own a 64 bit processor, but it works just fine in 32 bit emulation with Windows XP. My PhD friend has a 64 bit workstation he uses almost exclusively for wave propagation simulations. His situation requires the 64 bit option, but he is in the minority. |
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When 64 bit is practical, I'm sure they'll update their client. But for now, it's just not worth any investments. |
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