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killerogue 02-10-2007 05:20 AM

Global Graphics Team
 
Hmmm. I really believe that the Global Graphics Team should be brought back for the sake of stolen graphics and the like on Graal. I know in 2005-2006 if I'm correct it became very, very inactive and no longer had a purpose but I think they would have a purpose and use now since there are so many servers nowadays and they would be able to create daily checks for stolen graphics and the like. Opinion?

Gambet 02-10-2007 05:32 AM

That's the job of the PWA and they've always handled issues regarding stolen content.

Infernix 02-10-2007 05:34 AM

Players really track down stolen content, PWA just say "Hi, they said you stole this *delete delete*"

killerogue 02-10-2007 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet (Post 1275727)
That's the job of the PWA and they've always handled issues regarding stolen content.

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Originally Posted by Infernix (Post 1275728)
Players really track down stolen content, PWA just say "Hi, they said you stole this *delete delete*"

What other purposes were the GGT originally here for then? :O

napo_p2p 02-10-2007 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by killerogue (Post 1275730)
What other purposes were the GGT originally here for then? :O

Doing graphics for GK and the like.

killerogue 02-10-2007 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by napo_p2p (Post 1275742)
Doing graphics for GK and the like.

Well, they could be brought back simply for this purpose to make GK better and to generally help all PWs having trouble with a graphic they can't get. For example on Dual Ortus. Codein and I are both having trouble coming up with some cliff tiles:

[Insert Witty Mock-Up Conversation By Tyhm]

And kabam there we go. Perfectly good cliffs. :) I hope you don't mind that Tyhm. :)

Tyhm 02-10-2007 06:54 PM

Whad' I say...? :P
My concern is that we'd wind up with a bunch of GGTers that help out some servers more than others (as was the case when the survivors got conscripted to work on Kingdoms)...when what we really need is for some servers to share graphics. To say "Hey Valk, I love how you did the cliffs here, can I borrow that part of your tileset?" and they say "Sure, just don't take the whole thing". But as it stands the standard response is "No, your server will get popular and my playercount will go down!", because the community is set to pit PWs against each other rather than work with each other. We're acting like street vendors instead of a food court: street vendors compete with each other for customers, whereas a food court works together (somewhat) to draw more customers into the mall in the first place.

killerogue 02-10-2007 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyhm (Post 1275848)
Whad' I say...? :P

I inserted one of your witty made-up conversation from the other couple threads in Main. :D


Also, agree with what the rest of you what you say. O_O
Ugh, bad typing.

Spark910 02-10-2007 07:07 PM

The last GGT went through spouts of inactivity. It's nice to have graphically talented individuals doing the job, but there is a small pool of candidates.

killerogue 02-10-2007 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Spark910 (Post 1275852)
The last GGT went through spouts of inactivity. It's nice to have graphically talented individuals doing the job, but there is a small pool of candidates.

If I had to suggest some:

Lancelot9 (Knows about alot of stolen content and material, if only he was still around)

Galdo (He leaves :()

Zero Hour (Dunno if Stephen would do it)

Draenin (Again Dunno)

Elk (A Suggestion)

KawaiiSaria (Hoping She has returned for a bit)

Emrys (A suggestion)

Sir Tom

Draenin 02-10-2007 10:23 PM

My list of candidates would be lancelot9, Galdor, Stephen, Elk, Goboom, SaiyanOozaru, Tom, and myself.

The reason being because the people I've listed have pulled a lot of weight on certain servers, or have contributed smaller works to multiple ones.



If Global Graphics is re-formed, I don't think it needs to concern itself solely with stolen content. As has been said, PWA can handle that. (That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep our eyes open, though.) Instead, it would need to be comprised of people willing to work on any server they are assigned to by Cyberjoueurs.

It really might be a good idea, because commissioning works for higher management will keep team members from trying to stick to one server.

killerogue 02-10-2007 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin (Post 1275909)
My list of candidates would be lancelot9, Galdor, Stephen, Elk, Goboom, SaiyanOozaru, Tom, and myself.

The reason being because the people I've listed have pulled a lot of weight on certain servers, or have contributed smaller works to multiple ones.



If Global Graphics is re-formed, I don't think it needs to concern itself solely with stolen content. As has been said, PWA can handle that. (That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep our eyes open, though.) Instead, it would need to be comprised of people willing to work on any server they are assigned to by Cyberjoueurs.

It really might be a good idea, because commissioning works for higher management will keep team members from trying to stick to one server.

:D I knew there was someone I had forgotten SaiyanOozaru. Also thanks for the explanation of reasons. :D

Draenin 02-10-2007 10:33 PM

If we can form a team for putting out new (And shared) content for developers, it might get things rolling again.

killerogue 02-10-2007 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin (Post 1275913)
If we can form a team for putting out new (And shared) content for developers, it might get things rolling again.

Maybe start a VIP guild for that. :] Or something. Let's ask for Stefan's permission. :D

Minoc 02-10-2007 10:56 PM

I think it would be better to assign them to make GLOBAL graphics.

Draenin 02-10-2007 11:28 PM

That's what I meant by shared content. I mean, we're still stuck with a lot of content originating from 2k2 and earlier. An update to the archaic images of stuff we thought was cool back in '99 or '98 would be really nice, if you ask me.

Devil 02-11-2007 01:28 AM

Waste of time, don't bring this team back.

Draenin 02-12-2007 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil
Waste of time, don't bring this team back.

That's not a comparable argument. You haven't given reasoning.

Crono 02-12-2007 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by killerogue (Post 1275725)
Hmmm. I really believe that the Global Graphics Team should be brought back for the sake of stolen graphics and the like on Graal. I know in 2005-2006 if I'm correct it became very, very inactive and no longer had a purpose but I think they would have a purpose and use now since there are so many servers nowadays and they would be able to create daily checks for stolen graphics and the like. Opinion?

Then I wanna see a Global Levels Team...I would also say Global Scripting Team but I think they still exist.

Stephen 02-12-2007 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1276714)
I would also say Global Scripting Team but I think they still exist.

Correct ]:

Draenin 02-12-2007 10:12 PM

Either one of these organizations would work, especially if they collaborated with other significant administrators and performed work under orders of Cyberjoueurs staff.

warp2ukew 02-13-2007 12:01 AM

global levels team ftw

Devil 02-13-2007 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Draenin (Post 1276678)
That's not a comparable argument. You haven't given reasoning.

Oh ok, well isn't "They're not needed, they didn't do much last time, and they certainly aren't needed this time", good enough now?

It's just another group of people who will wear a global tag, think they're cool, and do squat.

Thrashsoul3 02-13-2007 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil (Post 1276795)
Oh ok, well isn't "They're not needed, they didn't do much last time, and they certainly aren't needed this time", good enough now?

It's just another group of people who will wear a global tag, think they're cool, and do squat.

Exactly what I would say. Excuse to become global staff. If players find stolen content they can report it if it offends them. If a player world needs graphics they hire an artist.

Draenin 02-13-2007 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil
Oh ok, well isn't "They're not needed, they didn't do much last time, and they certainly aren't needed this time", good enough now

Not really. The group we're suggesting now is quite a bit different than the original.
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Originally Posted by Devil
It's just another group of people who will wear a global tag, think they're cool, and do squat.

Global Graphics would have tangible work in front of them, unlike PWA, which usually sits idle until some kind of drama arises.

HoudiniMan 02-13-2007 06:39 AM

I totally agree there should be a group for helping PWs improve graphics and the like. I just don't think you need a global RC to do it.

However, it's much harder to get excited about volunteer work without a reward in power now isn't it. Welcome to my world :p

Twinny 02-13-2007 07:14 AM

I'd say having the official tag is more useful.

Demisis_P2P 02-13-2007 07:57 AM

I still wouldn't do it for a tag AND global RC.
Those are still basically intrinsic rewards.
If I wanted to do something to feel like a good person I'd just stop kidnapping my neighbors pets and dying them green and then telling the kids that they have to be put down.

Spark910 02-13-2007 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Minoc (Post 1275925)
I think it would be better to assign them to make GLOBAL graphics.

Yeah. A lot of people who become globals stop developing, perhaps because they don't have as much time. It's a shame to create the GGT position when PWA can essentially handle it.

smirt362 02-13-2007 08:30 AM

With what Draenin was talking about in another thread, about having a graphics resource place that everyone could use, perhaps one of the duties of the Global Graphics Team could be to create images of weapons, heads, bodies, shields, tiles, etc that everyone could partake of.

zell12 02-13-2007 09:02 AM

Zen and his team did hardly anything before, so what makes you think something different will come out of this this time?

HoudiniMan 02-13-2007 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Twinny (Post 1276927)
I'd say having the official tag is more useful.

So make a guild! (The Graphics Crew) or something...

Torankusu 02-13-2007 09:26 AM

Should the GGT be revived I think that they should be responsible for making new baddy sprite-sheets for global use. That way we at least have alternative images for the default baddies. Then they should be included in the editor.

Twinny 02-13-2007 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HoudiniMan (Post 1276951)
So make a guild! (The Graphics Crew) or something...

Keyword was official, i.e. official to Graal. GGT would be more respectable than The Graphics Crew. Regardless of the cooler name ^^.

Devil 02-13-2007 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Draenin (Post 1276864)
Not really. The group we're suggesting now is quite a bit different than the original.
Global Graphics would have tangible work in front of them, unlike PWA, which usually sits idle until some kind of drama arises.

PWA can handle it, give me a break, they have **** all to do as it is, I'm sure they can handle some "stolen graphics".

Zen admitted he done nothing as it was, don't give me that crap Draenin, you're supposed to be intelligent.

Demisis_P2P 02-13-2007 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil (Post 1276956)
PWA can handle it, give me a break, they have **** all to do as it is, I'm sure they can handle some "stolen graphics".

Zen admitted he done nothing as it was, don't give me that crap Draenin, you're supposed to be intelligent.

Yeah but the PWAs can't really make graphics.
Some of them probably could shell out something or another, but nowhere near the same degree that a team of very capable primarily-gfx personnel could.

zell12 02-13-2007 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P (Post 1276963)
Yeah but the PWAs can't really make graphics.
Some of them probably could shell out something or another, but nowhere near the same degree that a team of very capable primarily-gfx personnel could.

We don't need all these different teams doing blah blah... if you want to help, offer your help. If not, stop boasting about it.


PWA can handle the administrative duties. Complaints from users -> PWA investigates -> action taken

Simple ;)


Now if only the PWA can get in some order...

Demisis_P2P 02-13-2007 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by zell12 (Post 1276964)
We don't need all these different teams doing blah blah... if you want to help, offer your help. If not, stop boasting about it.

Sure you do. One team can't do it all. It's a common theme in almost all businesses -- disaggregation of tasks to teams of specialists. You don't see companies getting floor workers to do their accounting.

PWAs deal with PWA crap.
GGT makes graphics.
GST makes scripts.
Makes perfect sense and isn't complicated at all.

Besides, I don't want to offer my help, and I don't see how I'm boasting. I'd never want to be a global.

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Originally Posted by zell12 (Post 1276964)
PWA can handle the administrative duties. Complaints from users -> PWA investigates -> action taken

Simple ;)

Cool but they're not talking about complaints, they're talking about making graphics.

Elk 02-13-2007 10:35 AM

Global Graphics Team:

Inspecting Images on Playerworlds
doing Graphics for Gold Playerworlds, working on new Project
Helping with graphics related issues

And actually...there is no need for Baddys for default use..
Textures of Graal 3D I say...
Or single graphics for Terrain Playerworlds

I already call myself Global even tho I dont have a tag or rights.
I just help people, even with Management, but at the moment, I have no Gold or VIP time on this Account
which I will buy soon to be active and work on something big again.

There in fact a GGT needed

Stefan you have to bring it back.

Thanks :)!

HoudiniMan 02-13-2007 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Twinny (Post 1276954)
Keyword was official, i.e. official to Graal. GGT would be more respectable than The Graphics Crew. Regardless of the cooler name ^^.

When is the last time being "official" got anybody respect? lol.

You have to be cool - like me.

...

Yeah.

ALSO: Inspecting is my job, back off!

An elite team (The Graphics Crew) can just as easily submit awesome new sprite packs and the like to the graphics forums without any kind of permission or whatever. I vote they do it in an effort to be recognized as contributors first, and possibly be considered if there was a need to hire some staff in that area at a later time.


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