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UltimatheChosen 09-19-2006 03:58 AM

Taverns or Other Updates?
 
I have noticed a recent trend toward comments on the "possibilities" of various features for the taverns. While the taverns do serve a purpose, it is a small one, in my opinion. I rarely order food myself, and only enter the MMT to either make jerky or check the availiable quests. I think (I hope) that I speak for the majority when I say that the taverns are fine as they are. Let's see some real updates... New items, new areas, new islands, ship upgrades, better pets, etc. I would like everyone else's thoughts on this.

Sam 09-19-2006 07:56 AM

Feel free to develop new things. The tavern improvements were made by players, not by staff. They where also made several times before they get approved at last. Mostly people thinks "I make something new and when its done they upload it instandly".
New levels needs to be proved if there are bugs or bad scripts aso.
The last update of MMT was 2 month ago.

UltimatheChosen 09-20-2006 12:19 AM

Nevertheless, the last update to anything else was even further back. And thus far, votes for other things are in the lead. Furthermore, while it is awesome if players want to develop things, it is not our responsibility (as far as I am aware).

Gothika 09-20-2006 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by UltimatheChosen (Post 1219621)
while it is awesome if players want to develop things, it is not our responsibility (as far as I am aware).

So? it's not our responsibility. But some of us enjoy doing dev work and would jump at the chance to make somthing for Graal Kingdoms.

UltimatheChosen 09-20-2006 04:00 PM

The point I am trying to make is that the staff should not lay the burden on us to update the game we pay for. Many people love to update, but more don't know how or don't care to. But the primary responsibility for updates lies with the staff, not the players.

Gothika 09-20-2006 04:41 PM

Staff dont "lay the burden" on anyone. Most the work done by players is volantary and people would feel proud to see people using things they've made.

Magadal 09-20-2006 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gothika (Post 1219778)
So? it's not our responsibility. But some of us enjoy doing dev work and would jump at the chance to make somthing for Graal Kingdoms.

I would, I would. But Björn said GK only needs scripters. Then I asked Stefan, and he said GK also needs graphic dudes, level makers etc. Well have to talk to Björn again.

cyan3 09-20-2006 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by UltimatheChosen (Post 1219811)
The point I am trying to make is that the staff should not lay the burden on us to update the game we pay for. Many people love to update, but more don't know how or don't care to. But the primary responsibility for updates lies with the staff, not the players.

why do you think staff are lazy all the time when you post some thing its always about "staff being lazy".

Gothika 09-20-2006 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Magadal (Post 1219815)
I would, I would. But Björn said GK only needs scripters. Then I asked Stefan, and he said GK also needs graphic dudes, level makers etc. Well have to talk to Björn again.

I only work the Cresent Pirates. I do volantary graphics work for CP and so far I can say its going well. But some day I hope to get debug so I can help CPs development in more ways than one.

Ravenblade1979 09-20-2006 09:10 PM

Again you pounce on the staff. I own MMT and I make the level updates...Bjorn uploads them when he approves em. He and stefan even say that if you have map ideas to upload submit it to them and they will upload it if they are fine.

My question to everyone is....why should we just rely on GK staff for updates? Why can't you get up off your butts and help? We pay for this game so shouldn't it be up to us to help better it? To that last one I say yes we should.

People complain that nothing new is released yet they do nothing to help stuff get released faster. If you have a idea for new gani or a new map or even improvements to current maps then pm bjorn or stefan through here and give em your ideas....of goto your kingdom leader and ask for them to get staff to add you to debug so you can help make your kingdom's island look better.

Don't just rely on two people. They need help too you know. You want improvements then you help..plain and simple. This isn't a p2p that your used too where they have a team of like 10-15 people working on it....we all have to do our part so lets start.

Gothika 09-20-2006 09:14 PM

I agree 100% with what Raven just said. Its what i've been doing myself. If you want stuff done why not help with it? It will get done faster and you will feel proud and happy to know you had somthing to do with it.

cyan3 09-20-2006 09:18 PM

I agree aswell. The thing what makes graal so good is that you can make your own things for it. And some people only play graal to make things for servers its part of the fun of graal.

Draenin 09-20-2006 09:43 PM

Working on most things for kingdoms is useless most of the time.

Damix2 09-20-2006 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin (Post 1219929)
Working on most things for kingdoms is useless most of the time.

I'd have to agree with you there my friend.

UltimatheChosen 09-20-2006 11:56 PM

Let me clarify my original position. I am not angry with the staff, and I don't think they are lazy. I appreciate the work that they do. However, I would like to see updates along different lines than tavern updates or bug fixes.

And on a slight side note (this is something I am annoyed/amused/embarrassed by) I reccomend updating the graalonline.com front page. When someone visits the site and sees "Merry Christmas Graal!", it tends to give a sour impression. I personally would like to be able to see all updates on the main page.

cyan3 09-21-2006 12:58 AM

We dont need the updates on the main page we got them on the "Events and Updates on Graal" when you login.

UltimatheChosen 09-21-2006 01:11 AM

This is true, but for people who are thinking about trying out graal, the front page makes it look like a dead site. Bad thing. If we want graal to grow, let's make it look alive!

Ravenblade1979 09-23-2006 07:41 AM

Alright let me put it another way. Only Bjorn is the one working on the actual game..uploading new stuff, fixing script, making new stuff etc. I am not sure if stefan does but I know that bjorn does for sure. UltimatheChosen if you want to see updates why not HELP instead of COMPLAINING ABOUT IT. The tavern updates are done at my request as it is mine.

Bug fixes are done so stuff works properly.

again..if you want updates done help out to make this a better game.

UltimatheChosen 09-24-2006 03:41 AM

The map editor will not run on my computer, for reasons which still confound me after going through a dozen FAQs.

cyan3 09-24-2006 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by UltimatheChosen (Post 1221386)
The map editor will not run on my computer, for reasons which still confound me after going through a dozen FAQs.

The graal editor didint work for me when i got my now computer and didint have graal v2 anymore, is the graal editor in the graal folder (not shortcut the real thing) if it is it should work.

ReBorn_Spirit 09-27-2006 11:04 AM

Just to let you know, I was staff at MMT, infact like Senior Manager type job there. Well I was supposed to review new things and ideas and figure out if they were even possible. In no way, did I ever get to say anything about that tavern on how it looks right now, and I dispise how it looks right now, its ugly ok. Yes.. UGLY...

Ravenblade1979 09-27-2006 10:32 PM

Dayaa I am getting some help on the levels right now from Fayt. We are taking out the swinging doors..apparently there is a problem with them and I told him to go nuts but not to remove certain things.

HitmanJ2XX 09-29-2006 06:31 PM

As soon as I can get away from school work, I'm going to do some home-style GK Dev work.

Ravenblade1979 09-29-2006 06:43 PM

Actually maybe I could get you to help me on the downstairs..


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