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bahamutstevetff 09-28-2005 10:38 PM

overlord
 
i was thinking, like, there could be a player, lets say me for starts, who is the overlord of zone, and sum1 challenges him for the throne, if ur overlord i get ur statue in DM untill its taken, i think it would be fun, u must defend ur title from every challenge, if u back out, the other player wins by default, make some staff ppl 2 veiw the spars, and if u get like 10 sucsessful defends, u get a memorial of some sort on the stats, we would need 2 vote who starts as overlord. i think it would be fun, oh and, if u challenge sum1, and lose, u cant challenge em for 2 weeks, same if u get ur title stole,

i hope that made sence,
yours truly

Huwajux 09-29-2005 04:46 PM

No.

bahamutstevetff 09-29-2005 05:23 PM

damn why not

anubis_wing 09-29-2005 05:34 PM

If anything we would make Dark Soul one.

Huwajux 09-29-2005 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff
damn why not

Because it wouldn't work. It could go either way. People might not give a @&*% about it, or the poor overlord would always be swarmed with challengers. Meaning for the overlord to quit his title just to PLAY THE GAME NORMALLY.

bahamutstevetff 09-29-2005 08:35 PM

oh well i just thought it would be a challenge for some1 2 try hold a title, i wuld like 2 c some sortve championship on zone tho

Wind_Master 09-29-2005 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by anubis_wing
If anything we would make Dark Soul one.

Why? Hes not the best.

Dreth 09-30-2005 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Wind_Master
Why? Hes not the best.

Who would you suggest putting on as overlord if it was made?

Wind_Master 09-30-2005 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreth
Who would you suggest putting on as overlord if it was made?

Considering me ixi and darksoul are all even. id put storm as overlord.

Bl0nkt 09-30-2005 03:09 AM

I like the idea of an overlord. I'm sure, though, we don't need a staff member to view spars and make the changes. It could be easily scripted that if the overlord loses the statue changes.

Damix2 09-30-2005 03:21 AM

I'd say hold a tournement to choose the first Overlord when the arena comes out.

Wind_Master 09-30-2005 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Damix2
I'd say hold a tournement to choose the first Overlord when the arena comes out.

I agree. Good idea.


P.S Vulcan or Stefan can i help run the tournaments (just asking please dont yell at me)

bahamutstevetff 09-30-2005 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Wind_Master
I agree. Good idea.


P.S Vulcan or Stefan can i help run the tournaments (just asking please dont yell at me)

i think i wouldve made good staff jin, if u had better player relations

Huwajux 09-30-2005 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff
i think i wouldve made good staff jin, if u had better player relations

Jesus (Am I allowed to say that?).
Hosting such things requires a lot more talent that being skilled and not getting angry when someone calls you a noob. x_x

bahamutstevetff 09-30-2005 04:37 PM

bah

Bl0nkt 09-30-2005 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff
bah

http://www.hedweb.com/sheep.jpg

Wind_Master 09-30-2005 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff
i think i wouldve made good staff jin, if u had better player relations

Not to be ****y but id be way better than you with this. Tournaments is my specialty. I ran Team Mash tournaments perfectly.

Huwajux 09-30-2005 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Wind_Master
Not to be ****y but id be way better than you with this. Tournaments is my specialty. I ran Team Mash tournaments perfectly.

Running "Guild Tournaments" is nothing like running "Real Tournaments". Why are you even argueing? None of you will be chosen. (For sure)

Akoalin 10-01-2005 12:32 AM

This is a horrible idea... :\

and Jin, no offense... you need to learn better grammar before you become staff... "KAY PPLZ LEZ HAV A EVNT! zzzzzzzz :asleep: "

Wind_Master 10-01-2005 02:20 AM

Darksoul and you think you will? I have just as good of a chance as you do.

And ako my grammer has improved. Where the hell have you been?

anubis_wing 10-01-2005 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Wind_Master
Darksoul and you think you will? I have just as good of a chance as you do.

And ako my grammer has improved. Where the hell have you been?

Ah don't worry ako's discription of any one's grammer is crappy. He think's his is the only one who is "reputable"

bahamutstevetff 10-01-2005 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Akoalin
This is a horrible idea... :\

and Jin, no offense... you need to learn better grammar before you become staff... "KAY PPLZ LEZ HAV A EVNT! zzzzzzzz :asleep: "

dont just say its a horrible idea, give reasons man

Huwajux 10-01-2005 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Wind_Master
Darksoul and you think you will? I have just as good of a chance as you do.

And ako my grammer has improved. Where the hell have you been?

I didn't imply anything about me becoming an ET. I haven't even asked or mentioned anything about me becoming one. Not to start a flame war, yet I think I do have a better chance.

Wind_Master 10-01-2005 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Huwajux
I didn't imply anything about me becoming an ET. I haven't even asked or mentioned anything about me becoming one. Not to start a flame war, yet I think I do have a better chance.

No. You really dont. You dont do anything great for zone enviorment. All you do is think you're this great player of zone. You said " Our telent and sexyness is evenly matched" to ixi. And when you're on the fourms you're a jacK@$$

Huwajux 10-01-2005 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Wind_Master
No. You really dont. You dont do anything great for zone enviorment. All you do is think you're this great player of zone. You said " Our telent and sexyness is evenly matched" to ixi. And when you're on the fourms you're a jacK@$$

I do a lot more than you. I help out people when they have no clue what so ever to do. Much more than you. You take the game too seriously, me and Ixi were having a fun match mucking around sparring. Ixi was questioning if me and him had equal skill. I said "Our talent and sexyness is too much for each other" as a joke. Now sit down, shut up, and don't flame.

Wind_Master 10-01-2005 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Huwajux
I do a lot more than you. I help out people when they have no clue what so ever to do. Much more than you. You take the game too seriously, me and Ixi were having a fun match mucking around sparring. Ixi was questioning if me and him had equal skill. I said "Our talent and sexyness is too much for each other" as a joke. Now sit down, shut up, and don't flame.

lol. Like id listen to you? You think you're all big and bad on zone. All I said was "Ixi i beat you 3/4" and you were like ya right ixi would beat you. He never will be better than me. Im not gunna shut up. Not to you I do not respect people who suck at a game and think their all good.

bahamutstevetff 10-01-2005 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Wind_Master
lol. Like id listen to you? You think you're all big and bad on zone. All I said was "Ixi i beat you 3/4" and you were like ya right ixi would beat you. He never will be better than me. Im not gunna shut up. Not to you I do not respect people who suck at a game and think their all good.

im already better than you, so is dark soul, wake up and shut up, deflate ur fking big head and come in2 reality, u never beat me 3/4 times, its just a big loead of BS like ur "skill thats lost in time"

TheSmu 10-01-2005 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Wind_Master
P.S Vulcan or Stefan can i help run the tournaments (just asking please dont yell at me)

You just don't get it, do you? You're not capable, and by the way, wouldn't they announce something if they need Events Team members?

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Originally Posted by Wind_Master
No. You really dont. You dont do anything great for zone enviorment. All you do is think you're this great player of zone. You said " Our telent and sexyness is evenly matched" to ixi. And when you're on the fourms you're a jacK@$$

Hahaha, seriously, shut the **** up. You just described yourself, idiot.

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Originally Posted by Akoalin
and Jin, no offense... you need to learn better grammar before you become staff... "KAY PPLZ LEZ HAV A EVNT! zzzzzzzz

Hey hardass, you're complaining even though you don't know what grammar is?

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Originally Posted by Wind_Master
And ako my grammer has improved. Where the hell have you been?

From bull**** to **** isn't a huge improvementstep, you know?

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Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff
im already better than you, so is dark soul, wake up and shut up, deflate ur fking big head and come in2 reality, u never beat me 3/4 times, its just a big loead of BS like ur "skill thats lost in time"

Who the **** gives a ****? Do you have to flame every single thread with that "I'm better than you" crap? It's just a game.


All of you, stop complaining about who's better, don't evade thinking and for ****s sake, quit using your feet as a typing tool, it's annoying. Amen.

someonesomewhere 10-01-2005 10:01 PM

Smu came down hard on you guys. Good.
Jin-Running a guild is definately easier than being a staff member. I wouldn't know, but ask someone who has been staff. They would. And by the way, Huwajux WOULD have abetter chance than you, he doesn't act like he owns the forums and doesn't make stupid suggestions (IE the "warp" thread).
Ixi-WHO CARES IF YOU'RE BETTER THAN JIN? I sure don't and I imagine that a lot of people don't either. You're turning into a Jin clone.
Huwajux-No offense, but having a better chance at being staff than Jin isn't that hard. No one here has that much of a chance (No one meaning the hardcore Zone players).
Ako-Jin's grammar has actually improved. His spelling isn't as good as it could be, but it has gotten drastically better. Lighten up :whatever:
Bl0nkt-Nice sheep.

Crono 10-01-2005 10:35 PM

I ****ing love it when people say "grammer" instead of grammar then talk about how much someone's English sucks/rules/doesn't suck.

Akoalin 10-02-2005 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Wind_Master
Darksoul and you think you will? I have just as good of a chance as you do.

And ako my grammer has improved. Where the hell have you been?

Point proven.
In my opinion, ETs should have perfect/near perfect grammar, I'm not saying you haven't improved... you've improved alot. :) You're just not ET material...

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Originally Posted by Base_Lamer
Ah don't worry ako's discription of any one's grammer is crappy. He think's his is the only one who is "reputable"

Butt
out.

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dont just say its a horrible idea, give reasons man
I was in a hurry to post... erm. I think an overlord is a good reason for everyone to go after one person and destroy the point of that particular planet.

Wind_Master 10-02-2005 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by someonesomewhere
Smu came down hard on you guys. Good.
Jin-Running a guild is definately easier than being a staff member. I wouldn't know, but ask someone who has been staff. They would. And by the way, Huwajux WOULD have abetter chance than you, he doesn't act like he owns the forums and doesn't make stupid suggestions (IE the "warp" thread).
Ixi-WHO CARES IF YOU'RE BETTER THAN JIN? I sure don't and I imagine that a lot of people don't either. You're turning into a Jin clone.
Huwajux-No offense, but having a better chance at being staff than Jin isn't that hard. No one here has that much of a chance (No one meaning the hardcore Zone players).
Ako-Jin's grammar has actually improved. His spelling isn't as good as it could be, but it has gotten drastically better. Lighten up :whatever:
Bl0nkt-Nice sheep.

The whole thing is. ixi is better. He stopped twice during our spars. That's the thing thats getting me mad.

bahamutstevetff 10-02-2005 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Wind_Master
The whole thing is. ixi is better. He stopped twice during our spars. That's the thing thats getting me mad.

jin nobody cares, save it for zone

Bl0nkt 10-02-2005 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami
I ****ing love it when people say "grammer" instead of grammar then talk about how much someone's English sucks/rules/doesn't suck.

Even the Swede's have better grammar than some of us. :frown:

On another note: hier me id b gud staf @ zoen

bahamutstevetff 10-02-2005 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bl0nkt
Even the Swede's have better grammar than some of us. :frown:

On another note: hier me id b gud staf @ zoen

rolf, its funny when poeple diss grammar

Huwajux 10-02-2005 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Wind_Master
The whole thing is. ixi is better. He stopped twice during our spars. That's the thing thats getting me mad.

Hush.
Overlord wouldn't work, I wish it did, but sadly...it won't. :frown:

bahamutstevetff 10-02-2005 12:36 PM

well there would only be 2 overlords anyway

Tyhm 10-02-2005 01:38 PM

"OVERLORD! OVERLORD! OVERLORD!" (+/-20 respect for correctly identifying the quote)
For such a thing, yeah, you gotta leave it up for grabs at first. Further, you gotta keep careful timeouts for when someone's offline for a week at a time. I'd personally recommend a 10% Overlord Ranking - at any given time, 10% of the population will have a title worth defending (of 30 people, 3). When they clash, it is confirmed which of them is truly worthy and which is only a pretender to the throne. While it would be a rare sight to see the Ultimate Overlord, defeating him proves to all your greatness - until then, who knows?

So what would the Overlord title truly be? Just spar rankings. Maybe you do something special for the best, maybe for the best people on at any given time. I personally prefer the thought that the best 10% on at a time are visible as "HEY I RULE!", little star over their head - and if there's no star over your head, you should start sparring your way to the top.
Perhaps you could have a complicated little algorythym for determining how far above your station you can challenge and how far below your station you can deny - maybe you can challenge 20 ranks above you and raise 10 ranks by so doing (not the full 20 - it may have been a fluke). But if he chooses not to be bothered with you, he doesn't lose a full rank for refusing an insignificant challenger, maybe he can pass on 3 before he loses a rank, to keep him active if he hopes to keep his spar ranking.
Further, it should be a score like they were hardcoded, a rating of your frequency and average score or something, so it's possible to overcome the old master who quit 3 years ago on points alone. If the old master comes back, he can challenge you to an epic duel.

So how would the numbers look? Under my plan the Overlord is the highest ranked person on at the moment, obviously - and if he wants to keep it, then as soon as someone better logs on he'd better challenge for the right to truly be called Overlord. Your spar rating is a scale from negative infinity to infinity, and you can only challenge people within a few degrees of your own rating - for now let's say 20, later let's say 10% or something. You gain or lose points equal to 1/4 the difference between yourself and your challenger, more gained if you were the underdog, more lost if you were the favorite. Maybe a factor of 2? So:
A is rated 21 (good)
B is rated 1 (bad)
Difference is 20.
If A wins, he only gains 5 points - it was hardly a challenge at all.
If A loses though, he loses 10.
No, wait, that's a bad plan - the greater the gap, the more A has to win. It should be 11-(difference/2) or something. That way
If A wins, he only gains 1 points (11-(10)) - he didn't break a sweat
If A loses though, he loses 10 (difference/2)
If B wins, he gains a whopping 10 points (difference/2)
If B loses, well, that was to be expected. He loses 1 points (11-(10)) and drops to 0.
Let's say B wins (11) and challenges C (29), a difference of 18.
B wins, he gains 9 and raises to 20
B loses, he loses 2 (11-9) and drops to 9
C wins, he gains 2 and raises to 31
C loses, he loses 9 and logs off in shame.

All this complicated explanation boils down to
NPC Code:
this.champion=player1.rating;
this.challenger=player2.rating;
this.diff=(this.champion-this.challenger)/2;
if(player1.wins){
player1.rating+=(11-this.diff);
player2.rating-=(11-this.diff);
}else{
player1.rating-=this.diff;
player2.rating+=this.diff;
}


which leaves the trick of figuring out player1, player2, giving them rating strings, a way of viewing them, and figuring out who won - but maybe the system already recognizes kills, and the relative honor.

All told, do you really still want to go around calling yourself Overlord that badly? Or did you just want a simple Black Graal/Green Gralat system?

I don't expect a lot of my early reasoning translated well, and I'll probably either be angrily misinterpreted or, perferably, asked to explain it at greater length. But not in this post, I think I've taken up quite enough page.

Huwajux 10-02-2005 02:44 PM

(Tyhm) Smart stuff, I guess. Sort of long to read.

Bl0nkt 10-02-2005 05:34 PM

Eww, GS1. :[
I really need to learn GS2 too.


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