(!) My 2 Cents About Z-R Getting Elf Gang Banged ...
 

It doesnt matter that Etien left the kingdom. A kingdom which had established relations with its neighbors was suddenly "taken over" by the simple act of killing its leader. Retarded. That is reason enough to go to war with Bel'la Olplyn. You cant honestly argue that the other kingdoms should just sit back and let such actions go unpunished -- its simply inviting future problems.

Take Nazi Germany for example; Brittain decides to ALLOW Germany to go on a small-scale land grab, in hopes of avoiding a conflict. What happens? Germany gets greedy and goes on a LARGE-scale land grab, and conflict happens anyway.

Diplomacy simply doesnt allow for this kind of crap to happen realistically. If you all sit back now, then one of you will be next.

If you want to argue about RP: its simple. We are talking about nations, Rule of Law ought to prevail. The other kingdoms should not recognize the new government which has replaced ZR, because it was a hostile coupe by an independant non-citizen of that country who simply killed its leader! This act lacked the support of its people, and for the other kingdoms to sit back and allow this to happen, then you are aknowledging that there should be no punishment for killing members of a kingdoms governing body -- and that regicide is acceptable within your own borders.

What stopped Nazi Germany from continuing on its unjust conquest of nations which had made no transgressions against it? The surviving major powers of the world banded together for mutual benefit, liberated France and other conquered territories, brought the leaders of Germany to justice, and installed a new government in its place which was not land hungary and power hungary.

I really dont care that ZR is gone. It really makes no sense though how it happened considering what ZR was supposed to be (refer to my quote at top). The other kingdoms ought to band together and bring justice back to that region, and install whatever government you see fit. As long as it is independant.

Brad, if you can manage to depose this "Bell uh Ocra" crap, and you can manage to take over up there, then more power to you. If you want to bring back the Zormite people also, then thats fine. Seriously, it would fit RP better than if I would have up and done it in the middle of a fairly stable reign.

This is how it went:

That Zormite island was originally a Zormite outpost; an extension from the Empire in the old world. Its appointed regent, Torkanansu (a zormite), was overthrown by its citizens and the popular human Elder, myself, was thrown into the lime light. (There was 2 Elders technically, one zormite and one human, to represent the dual interests of the citizenry in the colony). The act of overthrowing the appointed regent is what broke the ties between the old world and the new world colony. There was a human outlash against the zormite citizenry in the beginning before Zen Archigos could fully restore order. The population of Zormites never fully recovered from the slaughter and their numbers steadily declined over time. Eventually the kingdom was predominately human, but seeing as how they were used to the Zormite way of life, they adapted their traditions and culture to be consistant more or less to what they had grown up with.

After some time with the Archigos family ruling in a monarchial styled system, there was alot happening in the other kingdoms. Alot of instability, a lot of revolutions (leaders changing very frequently). The Emperor decided to impose reforms to the Zormite government, adopting a constitution and stepping down to run for office representing a party while he was still very popular among its citzenry. This was done in hopes of regaining his former seat of power but this time with the consent of the people, which would be likely to spark less anger and instability. Once in power again, he amended the constitution to outlaw opposing political parties and highly organized the government. When his popularity began to falter, and age was starting to catch up with him, he handed his office to his daughter, Wren Sagesun Archigos, who was born out of wedlock to a Dustari woman of noble decent (Sagesun Family). This was done also to help garauntee longterm close ties between Dustari and Zormite

ANYWAYS, and this is how it could happen:

This Diamond Alliance is orchestrated to depose the unrecognized Bell uh Ocra despot. A couple surviving exiled Zormites (fish) which had been taking aslyum in Dustari or Samurai or whatever, would get involved in this war on the side of the Alliance. Once this Diamond Alliance finishes their mission, its a chance to start over again from scratch, and it would now be reasonable for an envoy to be sent back to the old world telling the Zormites there of the fall of the ZR, and further, the short lived reign of the uncivilized brutes which tried to take its place. The envoy would basically be offering to return the Zormite island in the new world to its original rulers -- and new Zormites would then be sent to repopulate.

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As for an RP explaination of how the simple act of regicide was all it took to cause the collapse of a quasi Communist Republic who's idealogy was centered around STABILITY -- pft, that eludes me.

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It could unfold any number of ways, it dont matter, it doesnt have to be Zormites again -- but I'm sure that's the likely outcome. The good ZR could be restored also, but I'm not holding my breath.

Good luck Brad and whoever else is in on it.

I hope you understand how myself, Nappa, Tseng, Brad, etc feel now. You worked hard for your kingdom and some random guy screws it all up. Welcome to our world ;).

And the metor cut communication off. The Empire could return and whoop the Zormite Republic or Bel'la Olypum to kingdom come.

Yes but you have to understand it would not have made much sense to make such a change in the middle of a pretty well off period in that kingdom's history (Successfuly pushing Astri into the History books and off of our shores, for example ;)).

This, this is an opportunity, and I cant say that I object.

I already thought about this, and hopefully with Brad's Zormite char we could easily turn this into a "kill drows, brad r remake ZR" type thing.

There isn't anything you can do about it.
It's not good when you hear about the same situation in every thread.

Stefan will not replace the current leader of Bel'. The reason why he won't replace him is because has has done nothing wrong.
When Nayoko, Misty, Zhalle changed Samurai, did you try to remove either of them? I don't recall seeing any threads.
I think you're all holding a personal vendetta against Bel' or Kefkin.
You're not the leader of 'Zormite' or 'Bel' anymore, there isn't anything you can do.
Zormite has created a 'spark' in all of the kingdoms. We have wars, we have RP, why should the staff want to change this?
Who is actually in the kingdom Zormite?

Agreed, Zen. Very nicely said.

Uh I'm trying to incite a war to overthrow an unjust despot. It wouldnt be such a big deal if they came up with a better kingdom idea and a better basis for how it came about.

You used to yell at them, too. This isnt an issue about kingdom activity, its an issue about crappy rulers and an even crappier idea for a new kingdom. Thats why I'm mad. I am encouraging a war and even supporting the creation of a government which is completely unrelated to what I ran. So it is not about wanting my version back, its just about getting a good legitimate version back.

You want to change something but you don't have the rights to change it.
A war doesn't replace the current leader, it never has. The only way you can change 'Bel'la Olplyn' is to talk to Kefkin. If you had a 1 on 1 conversation he will probably listen to you.

I tried you little "1 on 1 conversation" with him, and he ended up saying nothing was wrong with the way Etien does things, then cursing me out, and threatening me, via his lame language. Find something better to do, Andrew.

I wasn't talking to you Drk.
And I wonder why he doesn't talk to you, look at the thread you made :rolleyes:.

He approached me on AIM once and does not offer much room for leveled debate. He focuses on little things like how I word a point and he will go off on little tangents about twisting things and on and on about crap when all I'm doing is explaining what I said 2 lines earlier when he went off about the way I said THAT.

War allowed for Astri to install a puppet leader in Samurai, and war allowed for Astri's ultimate downfall. Stefan was even involved with the downfall of Astri. (Stefan is in the green hat)

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If a roleplaying game is RolePlayed correctly, and governed correctly, then the outcome of a major server wide kingdom war would have lasting effects, even if its nessisary for Stefan or some sort of RP staff to intervene.

I hear there is some promise of this possibility with this new RP team, thats what I'm hoping for. But even if that is not the case, if a major war is played out and nearly the whole server demands an in-game resolution according to the outcome, I am sure Stefan would step in and make the nessisary changes.

I understand what you're saying Zen. But as you can see Graal Kingdoms doesn't have any rules. That's why the RP team was created. Over the next few days/weeks we will be producing some rules.
Untill these rules are put into action, nothing can be done.

Keep in mind if I take over there will be no republic. I run empires, not republics. ZE will rise.

Just remember, you're RP team. You will need to choose. And I don't think you will get ownership, Kefkin shouldn't need to leave. He's done nothing wrong.

i talked to Sam already and I'd take zormite over rp team he told me its fine so thats no problem

and kefkins as dumb as etian

And that is a reason for you to become the leader? Brad, you can't get ownership you can't say anything bad about Kefkin. At the end of the day it's his kingdom, he can change it to how he wants. We can't stop that.

ive already said 232099324 times why i want to be leader and i dont feel like explaining it again so you can go look in other threads if you care so much

No, I just find it stupid how you think you can become the leader of a kingdom just because you were the leader before.

This is where you're wrong. It's not just his kingdom to change whenever he pleases. You don't just change a kingdom at a drop of the hat by name, race, language, and other things. It is not rp. Yes he LEADS the kingdom. Does he own the kingdom ? No.

Who owns the kingdom(s)?

It's the collective will of it's founders and those whom follow the founder's original conceptions there of.

Granted, evolution is welcomed... but not evolution which screwed the original plans up.

I still think Kefkin has every right to change his kingdom. I didn't see anyone wanting to take over Zormite before the war.

people did try to remove them, actually it did work till they were put back in charge.
I still think staff won't allow it to let them put someone else in charge of the Kingdom but oh well we'll see...

So everyone hating something is a good thing ? War is good, but something like this where 4 kingdoms hate 1 that has 3 members isn't.

The kingdom doesn't have 3 members; it has on average of 3-6 players on tag.
Kefkin is recruiting players who can role play, not many players can.
What kingdom hates Zormite now since Etien has gone?

It does not matter about if one person left the kingdom or not. That should not affect the agenda and will of the other nations to bring the Zormite island back in line with the rest of the civilized international community.

And Brad like I said, I dont care if the republic doesn't come back, just so long as decent timeline is established which explains what happened.

Story will be done in an hour or so and will be posted.

Joker.
 

Im sure your hour long brainstorm will rival the RP, we have worked on for months.

This is just the begining. The transition has not been made, because we've been to busy arguing with you jokers, about the past.

The only thing youll be runnin is RP Team. Brand should of stayed leader of ZR, cause you dont have a chance now.

Lord Zen patience, and its now only 2 kingdoms against Bel'la since I left. Forest is neutral, and CP is neutral.

Peace

A mind to lead?
 

I dont think you have the mental capacity to accept people for who they are. This is the first reason why you wont lead.

You have conflicting interests... RP Team... how convienient. Slander a kingdoms RP... then take it over. Hmmm. You should get into the stock market and work on insider trading.

It better be good. Or else.

ya it will be dont worry it all makes sense actually.

Brad, I still can't find any 'real' evidence for you trying to take over Zormite.
Zormite is active with members and RP, more active then the current kingdoms.

The only problem you have is Kefkin changing Zormite, that isn't a vivid reason.
Are you currently in the kingdom Zormite? Nah!
It's like me saying 'Drk, Stop changing Dustari. I was the owner; can I have it back?' -[EXAMPLE], even though I was a leader of Dustari.

I think you need more evidence for you to obtain ownership. Even though, I still wouldn't class this as 'evidence'. Kefkin has every right to change Zormite, why should he stop? Who’s to stop him?

Etien decided to leave because of the harassment you’re giving him and Bel'la Olplyn.

You mean Bell uh Ocra.

Zen, don't say anything unless it's relevant please.

lol ok whatever.

It means I dont like that kingdom

Do I sense the return of Zatts Zorkov, retired General/Emperor of Zormite, for great justice?

No.

Yes.








Lets see... they're breaking various roleplaying rules such as being Drow.

And as long as there is a roleplaying preset we can roleplay. Here we have an unharmed Zormite Legion consisting of more fish then people can count, along with Bellaserian allies and Samurai Vassals. Their population far supercedes perhaps all of the islands combined. So do explain, how is a poor Drow nation... which has just come out of a civil war... going to defend against such a force?

You're returning to Graal Kingdoms and Zormite? Or just Graal Kingdoms.