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bef 04-26-2005 09:29 AM

Graal News Updates
 
I'd just like to say that our site is looking pretty good and near completion now, so it's probably an ideal time to make your first visit.
GraalNews.net

We're also allowing Graal Related webpages to have advertisements on the site;
CLICK HERE for more information.

Thanks alot - I'd prefer any feedback to be left on the Graal News website as I don't think this warrants another 5 page debate on these forums.

Splke 04-26-2005 01:38 PM

I beg to differ mother ****er. DEBATE SLAVES, GO!

Xcessive54321 04-26-2005 05:19 PM

Put the right site dumbby

Googi 04-26-2005 05:22 PM

Haha, smurfmidgetninja hated my article.

zell12 04-26-2005 05:25 PM

The "Graal News" header is very hard to read. Can you increase the size and maybe like, use a different font and add a nice logo? :)

Xcessive54321 04-26-2005 05:26 PM

Graalnews.net isnt a site to my compter :D

zell12 04-26-2005 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Xcessive54321
Graalnews.net isnt a site to my compter :D

It works for me using my Mozilla Firefox browser, I haven't tried it with IE though.

Ajira 04-26-2005 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by zell12
It works for me using my Mozilla Firefox browser, I haven't tried it with IE though.

Works fine on IE.

Kaimetsu 04-26-2005 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bef
Thanks alot - I'd prefer any feedback to be left on the Graal News website

Ah, yes. Where you can censor it, right?

Xcessive54321 04-26-2005 08:16 PM

Why didnt you post in other thread?

Admins 04-26-2005 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi
Haha, smurfmidgetninja hated my article.

My god, that interview is really weird. Should be marked as "Comedy" may be, otherwise people expect an interesting interview about the future of Era x-x

Thrashsoul3 04-27-2005 02:49 AM

Googi is a comedian.

Nitkizi 04-27-2005 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan
My god, that interview is really weird. Should be marked as "Comedy" may be, otherwise people expect an interesting interview about the future of Era x-x

Haha. This made me laugh more than the interview.

WanDaMan 04-27-2005 08:22 AM

http://www.graalnews.net/content.php?review.18

Haha I'm so *****i :cool:

bef 04-27-2005 09:24 AM

Wasn't bad news !Wan, though I wouldnt really classify it as a review. For this reason I placed it under the articles area. :)

Just an update of how the new sites going, since it was uploaded 17 days ago:
Hits: 16989
Unique Hits: 12936

Hits Per Day: 999
Unique Hits Per Day: 760

Not bad, not bad at all.

WanDaMan 04-27-2005 04:47 PM

I'm not too botherd, I'm just shocked that it actually got uploaded. Thanks :)

Inspiration 04-27-2005 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WanDaMan


And the biased news with incorrect information aimed to defame peoples characters starts.

That did not take long at all.

ETD 04-27-2005 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspiration
And the biased news with incorrect information aimed to defame peoples characters starts.

That did not take long at all.

What was incorrect about it? Besides PD; he didn't log on till later and got angry anyways. It was an opinion article, most news papers have sections where people can post their opinions, maybe there should be a section for that?
For the most part I think his article was correct though. (if you look past the opinions)

Inspiration 04-27-2005 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ETD
What was incorrect about it? Besides PD; he didn't log on till later and got angry anyways. It was an opinion article, most news papers have sections where people can post their opinions, maybe there should be a section for that?
For the most part I think his article was correct though. (if you look past the opinions)

Yeah, and as soon as you realize about 80% of the "information" provided is based on opinion, what exactly are you left with that is factual?

This is exactly what I meant about things being posted there instead of being posted on the forums. Everyone who reads that will get only one persons side of the story, and not be able to forum their opinion based on all the information.

The fact that large portions of information, which the writer in question knew and had at his disposal, was left out of that bit of "news" makes it even more malicious.

Fry 04-27-2005 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bef
Wasn't bad news !Wan, though I wouldnt really classify it as a review. For this reason I placed it under the articles area. :)

Just an update of how the new sites going, since it was uploaded 17 days ago:
Hits: 16989
Unique Hits: 12936

Hits Per Day: 999
Unique Hits Per Day: 760

Not bad, not bad at all.

I can assure you that there's something wrong with your counter.
Some person on #gscript suggested it might count the SQL Queries, fix that!

bef 04-28-2005 09:57 AM

I'm pretty sure it's not an error in the counter - it logs hits on each individual pages as well as a collective total, nothing looks off to me.

Inspiration 04-28-2005 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bef
I'm pretty sure it's not an error in the counter - it logs hits on each individual pages as well as a collective total, nothing looks off to me.

The "unique" hits is totally off.

ETD 04-28-2005 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspiration
Yeah, and as soon as you realize about 80% of the "information" provided is based on opinion, what exactly are you left with that is factual?

This is exactly what I meant about things being posted there instead of being posted on the forums. Everyone who reads that will get only one persons side of the story, and not be able to forum their opinion based on all the information.

The fact that large portions of information, which the writer in question knew and had at his disposal, was left out of that bit of "news" makes it even more malicious.

" As some of you may already know, EoA (End of Ages) and N-Pulse have recently merged together to form N-Pulse: End of Ages! "
-Fact; Not Biased at all

"Early in to the transformation, the current co-manager UM (Unknown Mirage) quit! it came as a shock to just about everyone related to N-Pulse."
-Fact; You quit, not much to argue there

"After UM had quit, Development on the server was still underway better than ever! I got a message from ETD asking if I would like a job. I accepted and we was all set to go!"
-Fact; I doubt anyone would disagree that development was going great, and that I hired !Wan.

"I, myself edited almost all of the southern part of the map. I will not be finishing what I had started. Y'see Moonie hired UM back as management!"
-Facts; !Wan did edit almost all of the southern part of the map (except the 3 levels you did), Moonie did rehire you as management.

Those were all facts. Then a little over half way through he switches to his personal opinion. The only false, or potentially bias reporting would be the part about him, myself and PD going on strike, since PD was not on at the time (though he was upset about the situation).

Just because the topic of an article isn't about something you like, doesn't mean that the whole thing is biased and false. Within the article it is clear to see where he transitions from fact to opinion, and I think anyone who reads it knows that that is the opinion of the auther, you can take it or leave it.

I'm not trying to argue about this, I am just pointing out that what he posted was about 1/2 fact, and 1/2 opinions. And by saying he posted 'biased opinions' is just redundant, since all opinions are biased.

And he left out info? It seemed like a pretty basic story to me. Do you expect him to write a book on the topic? And anyways, if anyone else wants to write an article on the same topic I bet Bef would accept it.

Inspiration 04-28-2005 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ETD
"Early in to the transformation, the current co-manager UM (Unknown Mirage) quit! it came as a shock to just about everyone related to N-Pulse."
-Fact; You quit, not much to argue there

However, "early into the transformation" implies, incorrectly, that I bailed as soon as the merger started. I seem to recall doing a large amount of work planning everything out, setting everything up, and helping the whole process go along smoothy. During all of this, the writer of the article was not present. It makes him rather unfit to assert what phase of the transformation the process was in.

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Originally Posted by ETD
"After UM had quit, Development on the server was still underway better than ever! I got a message from ETD asking if I would like a job. I accepted and we was all set to go!"
-Fact; I doubt anyone would disagree that development was going great, and that I hired !Wan.

Ahahahaha. Underway better than ever AFTER I quit? 80% of the level work on that server right now was done by Zerxus and I long before I quit. Incorrect, biased information aganist me provided by someone who had not been around long enough to make such an insane assertion.

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Originally Posted by ETD
"I, myself edited almost all of the southern part of the map. I will not be finishing what I had started. Y'see Moonie hired UM back as management!"
-Facts; !Wan did edit almost all of the southern part of the map (except the 3 levels you did), Moonie did rehire you as management..

Okay, but he completely fails to mention why hiring me back as management was a negative thing, or would cause him to lose interest in his job. He only states that it happened, and he quit.


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Originally Posted by ETD
The only false, or potentially bias reporting would be the part about him, myself and PD going on strike, since PD was not on at the time (though he was upset about the situation).

Oh? How about the lovely "I see it as he quit when N-Pulse was going through a rough patch, now things are in motion he is coming back!" part? That is obviously an assertion aimed to defame me, and a ridiculously incorrect one at that.

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Originally Posted by ETD
Just because the topic of an article isn't about something you like, doesn't mean that the whole thing is biased and false.

The thing was written from a biased standpoint, meant to defame myself and Moon Goddess. My problem is that Bef simply allows people to use Graal News for their own personal vendettas, instead of attempting to keep it a professional establishment.

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Originally Posted by ETD
I'm not trying to argue about this, I am just pointing out that what he posted was about 1/2 fact, and 1/2 opinions. And by saying he posted 'biased opinions' is just redundant, since all opinions are biased.

It is possible to form an opinion based on more than just one side of the story. The more information you have when stating your opinion, the less biased it will tend to be towards any particular point of view, unless one point of view is clearly false.

In this case, he openly states a false point of view as his opinion, and makes no attempt to even state the possible reasons for the actions of the people he aims to defame.

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Originally Posted by ETD
And he left out info? It seemed like a pretty basic story to me. Do you expect him to write a book on the topic? And anyways, if anyone else wants to write an article on the same topic I bet Bef would accept it.

How about the part where I've done the single largest amount of work for N-Pulse in a notably long time? Or the fact that I had quit the server so people would get used to doing their jobs without depending on me? Or how about the part where nearly all the staff members who had been working with me since I've came here supported my return?

Seems rather incomplete to me.

bef 04-29-2005 01:28 AM

Be Quiet.

Inspiration 04-29-2005 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bef
Be Quiet.

:rolleyes:

Xcessive54321 04-29-2005 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bef
Be Quiet.

Shut up.... i cant even go to your stupid site.... and who are you talking to wierdo?

Never pm me again about me giving you money for your stupid graal news crap...

Inspiration 04-29-2005 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Xcessive54321
Shut up.... i cant even go to your stupid site.... and who are you talking to wierdo?

Never pm me again about me giving you money for your stupid graal news crap...

Hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Bef got told.

Nitkizi 04-29-2005 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ETD
" As some of you may already know, EoA (End of Ages) and N-Pulse have recently merged together to form N-Pulse: End of Ages! "
-Fact; Not Biased at all

They have? So does NP have that 1337 weather system now..? What about the EOA map?..

Matt 04-29-2005 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Xcessive54321
Shut up.... i cant even go to your stupid site.... and who are you talking to wierdo?

Never pm me again about me giving you money for your stupid graal news crap...

Are'nt you like 11. o.o

ETD 04-29-2005 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspiration
However, "early into the transformation" implies, incorrectly, that I bailed as soon as the merger started. I seem to recall doing a large amount of work planning everything out, setting everything up, and helping the whole process go along smoothy.

The merge involved 3 things.
1. Converting all levels to work with the new tileset. I ASKED you to help us with this, and you told me it was MY project, and you would just review our work when we were done to approve it.
2. Converting EoA scripts to work on N-Pulse. You told me PD was working on this, so unless you were helping him rescript stuff, then you didn't help with that either.
3. Adding the levels and graphics to N-Pulse. Zerxus did this. He added our levels to the southern side of the map, and linked it all together and fixed the map.

When I was hired you said I was incharge of working on the EoA area, and you would work on the classic area, but then you left the classic area to Zerxus, and I helped him plan it all out. For the last 2 or 3 weeks of working on n-pulse you didn't do any level work, exept 2 levels on your 'pvp island' thing, and drew out maps and texts of things that we didn't even have the staff to develop. The only thing you did to help the merger was give me admin rights.
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Originally Posted by Inspiration
Ahahahaha. Underway better than ever AFTER I quit? 80% of the level work on that server right now was done by Zerxus and I long before I quit.

There are about 80 - 90 outside levels on the main N-Pulse area now (not counting water levels). Out of those, over 40 of them were edited or completely remade within the time from when you left to when you came back. (This does not count the maybe 30 levels which were just made into water because they contained no content, and sucked)
Even if you did edited about the same amount, but you are talking about the like 8 months you were development staff... I mean, if we can change over 1/2 the levels on the overworld in about 1 month, when it took you like 8 months to do similar, I think things were going better than ever. Plus we were working on several other projects besides just those levels. And for our LAT's to do that much work, plus work on other projects is just amazing I think... if you want to downplay our work, then go ahead, but it's not going over well with all the people you're insulting through this.
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Originally Posted by Inspiration
Okay, but he completely fails to mention why hiring me back as management was a negative thing, or would cause him to lose interest in his job. He only states that it happened, and he quit.

LOOK AT YOUR NEXT STATEMENT
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Originally Posted by Inspiration
Oh? How about the lovely "I see it as he quit when N-Pulse was going through a rough patch, now things are in motion he is coming back!" part? That is obviously an assertion aimed to defame me, and a ridiculously incorrect one at that.

Why did you ask him to have said why he quit in your last statement, then yell at him for doing it in this one?
Please, if you're going to be upset, at least be clear about what you are upset over. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Inspiration
It is possible to form an opinion based on more than just one side of the story. The more information you have when stating your opinion, the less biased it will tend to be towards any particular point of view, unless one point of view is clearly false.

Yes, which is why I said that you, or someone else could easily type up a report from 'the other side' of this story, to even things out... sure would have been easier than arguing your points on the forums I think.
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Originally Posted by Inspiration
How about the part where I've done the single largest amount of work for N-Pulse in a notably long time?

False. Zerxus has done the single most amount of work for N-Pulse... EVER, and he is still doing it. He has made HUNDREDS upon HUNDREDS of levels for N-Pulse. Why should you try to take the glory, when he has done more than you will ever do. He has helped N-Pulse with levels for what? Like 3 years now? Heck, even Wan probably did more work than you did your whole time as asst manager in under 2 weeks. He edited/remade about 30 outside levels, fixed scripts in the spar house and shops, and also helped with graphic work. He did that all in under 2 weeks, and you think you're amazing for fixing a few scripts, making a 3 level port town, and a few level edits?
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Originally Posted by Inspiration
Or the fact that I had quit the server so people would get used to doing their jobs without depending on me?

Oh no, god forbid that the staff depend on their ASSISTANT MANAGER for help. I guess the best way to help staff do their jobs on their own is to LEAVE them, right?
When Moonie was asked about why you wanted to come back as Assistant Manager, she said:
his biggest problem when he worked here was he said
hardly anything was being done that he could see, and he got
burned out...now he sees people are working

Well, maybe there was a reason why things were getting done better when you were gone, than when you were staff.
All that changed when you left is that I took a more assertive role as Admin. People started bothering me as they used to bother you, and I helped them all. Things were getting more organized, projects were getting completed, and work was getting done. I just find it funny that you say you should get credit for all of our hard work, because you left and ALLOWED us to work without you. Well, for that month, thank you for the privlage of working without you, it was fun.
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Originally Posted by Inspiration
Or how about the part where nearly all the staff members who had been working with me since I've came here supported my return?

Because most all of the people who did not support your return quit?

And to TtTackler, A lot of our 'cool' stuff was int he process of being added when we left. (PD and I) There is a new GUI and Weather system, but we could not use our weather system directly from EoA because of the change of server scripts and level names (we were going to re-make it but never got the chance), and the new GUI is edited to work with n-pulse stuff. You can turn them on by saying '/GUI on' and '/weather on'
(they were made optional so players would not get upset if they did not want to use them)

Xcessive54321 04-29-2005 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt
Are'nt you like 11. o.o

on oct 17th....

Inspiration 04-29-2005 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ETD
The merge involved 3 things.
1. Converting all levels to work with the new tileset. I ASKED you to help us with this, and you told me it was MY project, and you would just review our work when we were done to approve it.

You wanted the tileset up RIGHT AWAY, and I was busy with other things at the time. Thus, due to your need for haste, it fell upon you.
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Originally Posted by ETD
2. Converting EoA scripts to work on N-Pulse. You told me PD was working on this, so unless you were helping him rescript stuff, then you didn't help with that either.

But I did add a good deal of the content to the server as it was being remade, or did you forget that?

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Originally Posted by ETD
3. Adding the levels and graphics to N-Pulse. Zerxus did this. He added our levels to the southern side of the map, and linked it all together and fixed the map.

Well duh Zerxus did it, he had the levels, I did not. It is rather hard to add to the server what you are not in possession of.

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Originally Posted by ETD
For the last 2 or 3 weeks of working on n-pulse you didn't do any level work, exept 2 levels on your 'pvp island' thing,

Incorrect. Plus, I was a Manager, not a LAT. It seemed to me we had about 5 LATs at the time, why would I be required to take a bulk of the level work upon myself?
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Originally Posted by ETD
and drew out maps and texts of things that we didn't even have the staff to develop. The only thing you did to help the merger was give me admin rights.

And the only thing you did to help it was look over PrinceDark and Zerxus while they did their jobs. We're even, then?

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Originally Posted by ETD
Out of those, over 40 of them were edited or completely remade within the time from when you left to when you came back."ect"

40 is quite an incorrect number. The amount of work was done by a team, at
the rate in which a team should work. I made over 120 unique levels BY MYSELF, and edited over 20 with Zerxus. This is during the time while I was practically running the place, including all of the staff, almost by myself.


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Originally Posted by ETD
Please, if you're going to be upset, at least be clear about what you are upset over. :rolleyes:

I was quite clear. I am upset that Wan used Graal News as a means to spread his biased propaganda.

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Originally Posted by ETD
Yes, which is why I said that you, or someone else could easily type up a report from 'the other side' of this story, to even things out... sure would have been easier than arguing your points on the forums I think.

So turn Graal News into a means for battling eachother over a topic that does not exactly belong there in the first place? It is because things like this would be allowed to happen that the publication already earns little respect.
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Originally Posted by ETD
False. Zerxus has done the single most amount of work for N-Pulse... EVER, and he is still doing it. He has made HUNDREDS upon HUNDREDS of levels for N-Pulse.

And I've made scripts, levels, graphics, managed the staff, ect. Just because his work was more localized to a single thing does not mean he has done more of it. Besides, I was talking about over the last 8-10 months. for a good 4-5 of them, Zerxus was not present.
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Originally Posted by ETD
Why should you try to take the glory, when he has done more than you will ever do. He has helped N-Pulse with levels for what? Like 3 years now?

What, you mean like the Glory you tried to take for EoA's content that he mostly made?
Sorry, I'm not attempting to take the credit for anyones work, I'm just quite upset that everything I've done may be overlooked when convenient.
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Originally Posted by ETD
Heck, even Wan probably did more work than you did your whole time as asst manager in under 2 weeks.

Complete fallacy.
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Originally Posted by ETD
He edited/remade about 30 outside levels, fixed scripts in the spar house and shops, and also helped with graphic work. He did that all in under 2 weeks, and you think you're amazing for fixing a few scripts, making a 3 level port town, and a few level edits?

If the words "A few" cover substantially higher numbers than it did the last time I checked, sure.
You're also seeming to forget that I was RUNNING THE SERVER. Is it fair that I should be expected to not only manage the staff, but do an equal amount of work level wise as a member of the LAT?
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Originally Posted by ETD
Oh no, god forbid that the staff depend on their ASSISTANT MANAGER for help. I guess the best way to help staff do their jobs on their own is to LEAVE them, right?

When they can not possibly do their jobs without contacting you first after you've empowered them to do so, yes. And according to you, more work got done, so it looks like I was right, huh?
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Originally Posted by ETD
When Moonie was asked about why you wanted to come back as Assistant Manager, she said:
his biggest problem when he worked here was he said
hardly anything was being done that he could see, and he got
burned out...now he sees people are working

Well, maybe there was a reason why things were getting done better when you were gone, than when you were staff.

Because everyone was doing their job without waiting for me to give them permission, like I had been telling them to all along. It took the drastic act of my leaving for it to happen.
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Originally Posted by ETD
Things were getting more organized, projects were getting completed, and work was getting done. I just find it funny that you say you should get credit for all of our hard work

Cool, show me where I said I want credit for everything you've done.
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Originally Posted by ETD
Because you left and ALLOWED us to work without you. Well, for that month, thank you for the privlage of working without you, it was fun.

No problem.

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Originally Posted by ETD
Because most all of the people who did not support your return quit?

Those 2 will be missed.

Xcessive54321 04-29-2005 10:20 PM

I agree with Inspiration;.. He makes more since

DarkShadows_Legend 04-30-2005 12:47 AM

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To Xcessive
<3
Bef pming every player on the server for donations ... oh god!


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To Nitkizi/tackler
Weather system was laggy as hell. Players would complain more and N-Pulse will definitely be unplayable.

I feel the same way as ETD wanting them to remove all of EoA content, but that probably won't happen.
I would love for the issue to be settled with EoA content being removed and them sending us to hell with our work.

Where's Houdiniman or VT, maybe one of them can settle this.

Inspiration 04-30-2005 01:22 AM

[QUOTE=DarkShadows_Legend]<3
Bef pming every player on the server for donations ... oh god!



Weather system was laggy as hell. Players would complain more and N-Pulse will definitely be unplayable.

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Originally Posted by DarkShadows_Legend
I feel the same way as ETD wanting them to remove all of EoA content, but that probably won't happen.
I would love for the issue to be settled with EoA content being removed and them sending us to hell with our work.

You guys chose to leave due to personal reasons. We merged. You were not fired, forced out, treated poorly, ect.

The agreement at merger was that:
ETD would be made Admin - Done
EoA content would be used on N-Pulse as a large part of the server -Done
All EoA staff members who wanted a position on staff would recieve one - Done

You submitted your work to us, and you had to know the risk that somewhere down the road, you might become upset with the server. It is your choice to leave. I am sure you would be welcomed back to your previous posts at any time should you choose to return and work.

But, as of now, EoAs content has been willingly given to N-Pulse, and neither side has violated their part of the deal.

Darlene159 04-30-2005 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkShadows_Legend
I feel the same way as ETD wanting them to remove all of EoA content, but that probably won't happen.
I would love for the issue to be settled with EoA content being removed and them sending us to hell with our work.

Where's Houdiniman or VT, maybe one of them can settle this.

???
ETD never asked me to remove the EoA content from NP...he said that other people were trying to tell him to, but he figured "why bother" or something...besides the fact that it was given to NP

Anyway, guys...this thread isnt about NP, it is about the Graal News site....no one claimed that the things put on that site were going to be true, or that they wouldn't be half-truths or one-sided...who cares really? Let it go....

WanDaMan 04-30-2005 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspiration
You guys chose to leave due to personal reasons. We merged. You were not fired, forced out, treated poorly, ect.


You came back as assistant manager. That is being treated poorly.

Read the review by Bef, it's interesting!

http://www.graalnews.net/content.php?article.24

ETD 04-30-2005 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspiration
Those 2 will be missed.

I believe the number is somewhere between 8 and 10 staff. I have also been told that others plan on quitting, but are waiting.

And Moonie, you're right, I wasn't going to ask for the content to be removed... I just tried to tell myself that I didn't care.

Anyways, if anyone wants to read the continuation, then go to the link that Wan posted and read the comments =x

Darlene159 04-30-2005 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ETD
I believe the number is somewhere between 8 and 10 staff. I have also been told that others plan on quitting, but are waiting.

Name the 8 or 10 staff that quit please


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