I go bye..
 

Welcome to Graal!! Thanks for upgrading your account and playing Graal. Your account LordMatt still has 3 days and 0 hours to play.


This looks like the end for me until the beginning of next summer, who knows I may be back sooner than I think for Graal 3d. Anyways, I made this somewhat early because school tomorrow, the next day, and school & football game the day after that. In other words, my last 3 days of gold I do not have time for. Tootles.

UH NOT NICE KNOWING YOU (LOL FUNNY GUYS HUH?)


anyways hugz <31!~

Nooo!!! :( We still have to go to the movies and watch Harry Potter 4: Goblet of fire!!!!!

HAHA SCOTT R OWNT U ^ WITH HIS CARE BEAR <3IN

-HUGS-

Cya Matt, you better be back >:O

man i just couldnt stay away...

Wlecome Back
 

Hmm... ok welcome back :D

What a pity.

damnit.
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Good , nice to see you back ;)

Ain't no mercy.

wtfh ?

Im with you..im rather lost :O
Welcome back dudder :O

Somone deleted my post. *******s.

Hmmms
 

Hmmm... What else is new?? ;)

Lol.. The irony in this made me laught...


Welcome back.

Stefan did :cool:

Whoa, I feel special.

keep up the good work stefan

Aww ****, your back?

at kai cause of argo's quote: i'm not religious, but you just dont say something like that.

Why not, kiddo?

Because you have no more evidence than theists do.


Until you can explain why things are arranged as they are, you cannot rule the logical world with how. You can prove that people are made of atoms, but you cannot prove why atoms form the way they do. I think it's far less logical that chaos rules the universe, but that is probably the most feasible explanation you can come up with. What theists use to explain it is irrelevant; the fact is yours is really, really far fetched.

Which theists? There are far more possible gods than there are atoms in the universe. This alone would be enough to justify the statement I made; no matter which one you choose, there's an infinity of alternatives you're turning down.

I'm not attempting to rule any world. Even if I were, I would probably try to be armed with more than just an italicised word.

AKA: What are you talking about?

As I explained on AIM, you can't explain the existence or nature of the universe any more than an agnostic. But neither of us needs this knowledge to reason about the theories on offer, and reject the more bloated amongst them.

And I think you're a victim of theological spintalk. A universe doesn't need to be chaotic in order to be godless, although that's certainly an option. In any case, it's not enough to simply declare an opinion. Are you willing to back it up?

That's very closeminded. You're assuming that all gods are exactly as their holy text describes them.


Are there any non-bloated ones? You can say how theism is bad and yours is better because it fits a simplistic system?

I am challenging you to provide a better idea.

take a wild guess, poindexter.

I'm doing no such thing. You're assuming that the only conceivable gods are those that have been worshipped by humans. In actuality there are trillions of mutually-exclusive feasible entities, all qualifying for the description 'god'. In choosing one, you reject all the others. On what grounds could anybody possibly argue that theirs is more valid than another? If you roll an infinity-sided dice, what's the probability of getting a six?

Certainly there are. I believe I even linked you to one a short time ago.

But any such theory is necessarily built around a core of uncertainty. What you are advocating is a god of the gaps - an entity invented to fill holes in our knowledge by migrating our ignorance. You create a god to explain the universe but you don't explain why he exists. Any argument you use is just a more bloated version of an atheistic equivalent.

A better idea than what? A chaotic universe? I already explained that it isn't a prerequisite for godlessness. And besides, I don't have any means of deciding whether an ordered universe is better or more logical than a chaotic one. Neither do you.

Summary: If you can't defend a statement, don't make it.



Because it hurts your feelings? Because you'll smack me down!? D=

Nobody is afraid of you. You are weak and insignificant. I'll do whatever the heck I like, and I won't ask for your permission first :)

Kaimetsu is certainly an interesting person.

HAHA man you are the biggest ****ing nerd ever. Hehe look at me i'm strong and significant and can do whatever I want and no one will stop me! ****ing idiot, it's the internet. What do you expect someone to come to your house and kick your ass?

lets not fight, lets welcome me back!

Let's think of it this way: maybe some gods will excuse ignorance of following a different religion. God sees that the theist has the capability and humility to dedicate his or herself to a cause.

You linked something about the mind and brain, but nothing about the creation of the universe.
I don't think that any entity was invented to fill holes. I think the holes were put there later.

There are infinite possibilities that would allow theists to go to heaven simply for believing in something higher than themselves and atheists to go to hell because they don't believe in something higher than themselves. But we aren't dealing with infinite solutions, just one. All that can be done is speculation as to what that one is... and speculation doesn't get anyone anywhere. Theists are sure of what exists, and they have as much proof as you do. You do not know what, if anything, exists and have as much proof as they do. Theists will ultimately have potential to live their lives not wondering questions without answers. That seems far superior than living searching for or wondering about the unobtainable.

lol u nerdz suck lolsss

Noone is afraid of you either, junior, because this is the internet. In real life, you're probably some unemployed, 400 lb British man who only argues with children in an online forum because that's all you can and all you ever will do with your life. You wouldn't say **** to anyone, because you probably suffer from social anxieties that you got from spending all of your time playing your damned computer.

lol ur a fat nerd LOL!!!!!!

LOLOOOLOLOLLO MAN THs R s0 FUNY!

LOL OMG THEN UR A CAPTURED ALIEN-BABY WHO IS CAPTURED AND IN A VAT IN AREA 51 LOLOLOL

There's a tendency amongst unintelligent internet people. It goes like this: "That guy is mentally superior to me in every conceivable way! Ow, my ego! I have no choice but to assume that he is fat and ugly and weak!"

I'm slim, I'm trim, and I could break you in half. Face the reality that, inevitably, some of the people you hate will be vastly superior to you.

Of course not. See, I was mocking you. But wouldn't it be funny if you tried?

You seemed to be under the impression that your opinion mattered - that you had some power here. I was merely addressing this delusion.

VT, please at least keep track of the debate and remember how it started. I don't care if any god is nice and forgiving. The issue at hand is whether or not a given person's religious beliefs are accurate, not where he'll go after he dies.

The brain thing was a different link entirely. The other was to a page describing theories describing the universe in terms of 'D-branes'. Perhaps you read the first few paragraphs and then fled back to your comforting, easy-to-understand fairytale explanation.

No, those holes have always existed and will continue to exist until somebody provides proof about the universe's origins. In any case, you only believe in one god. You would be willing to describe some of the others as gap-filling gods, yes?

Really? You think self-imposed intellectual imprisonment sounds like a good time?

What about other factors, such as the demands most religions place on their believers? Agnostics are not subject to such pointless hindrances. And do you realise that we have strayed from the original point?

You are the one who keeps using the "there are so many religions, I can't choose one" argument. I'm saying that it is more than likely that, were that true, the deity would forgive those with humility, since most religions teach that their gods have a threshold of forgiveness.
I don't remember any such link.

Possibly, but maybe my God is the same god as other religions follow.

Agnostics do not hold the answers, however. They simply hold postulations. Ones with no base, at that.

No, more like 'there are so many religions, all of which are, more of less, equally valid, that the individual probability for any given one being true is less than 0.5'. Which is entirely pertinent to the matter at hand.

How the hell is forgiveness relevant?

Well, that's entirely consistent with my theory. You would've wiped it from your mind as soon as you considered it a threat to your emotional safety net.

Not all religions, obviously.

Nobody holds the answers. Agnostics simply accept the fact instead of filling their brains with comfort goo.

Also: What postulations?

Haha, some slim guy who works out but is still an ugly bastard. I bet during high school you never even knew a single good looking girl.


I was mocking you too ;)

And i've never thought that, and never want to think that. Hay guyz I have some power in an online thing where i get paid nothing!!1! AND GUESS WHAT ELSE! MY OPINION MATTERS!


But honestly, why do you have to keep trying to press your views of religion upon other people, they believe, you don't. Get over it.

WOW, this goodbye thred turned out ot be long.. I was like the 3rd.. 4th maybe poster on this. And it is still going....offtopic i take it?