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GarethOmni 06-30-2004 08:24 PM

Creating a Server!
 
Hello everyone! I am Gareth, some know me from Era.
And some know me....just because they do.
I have been looking into creating a server, in which everyone could enjoy themselves and play in a highly interactive environment.
The server im making is called Sehkai which is the japanese word for world.
I plan on making sehkai a city type world, With thugs...Executives and even Police. This is going to be a roleplay type server.
In example, Lets say someone goes and pks someone...they will begin to get a wanted level and eventually police will come after them.
Im looking for gfxers,scripters....and anybody that can help.
if your interested in helping, Message me on aim.
Thanks for your time!
-Gareth

haunter 06-30-2004 08:26 PM

*points to playerworld section*

A short, very very vauge description of your server isn't going to get many people excited... I'm sorry. You'll have to start development on your own and get some example content to show off, present a new, innovative idea... Something worthwhile.

Kaimetsu 06-30-2004 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GarethOmni
The server im making is called Sehkai which is the japanese word for world.

No it isn't.

GarethOmni 06-30-2004 09:14 PM

It is. -.-
It may not be in the japanese dictionary that you have. but its in mine, so back off.
Jesus, some of you people are worse than those on the era forums.

matt8891 06-30-2004 09:27 PM

Ehhh...I suggest you get some idea's from GTA Vice City and Driv3r.

If your going to do this your going to need a hell of alot of LAT's and especially NAT's...Or just good ones.

Crono 06-30-2004 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by matt8891
Ehhh...I suggest you get some idea's from GTA Vice City and Driv3r.

Dude, if he got ideas from vice city it would be just like Era. Driver? Never played it.

WanDaMan 06-30-2004 09:39 PM

Just carry on playing Era, Save your self the trouble of paying for a playerworld..
Modern servers - suck (apart from Era).

Kai owned him.

Crono 06-30-2004 09:43 PM

Era sucks too wan, what the hell are you talking about. Bravo had lots of potential but the manager was immature.

Kaimetsu 06-30-2004 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GarethOmni
It is. -.-

1) It isn't even valid romaji, dude. The word you're thinking of is 'sekai'.
2) Translation isn't an injective process. The Japanese language doesn't perfectly map onto ours. The words 'world' and 'sekai' are not identical - each has subtle flavors that aren't reflected in simple dictionaries.

Translation should be left to those with at least some knowledge of both languages. You can't expect a webpage or a book to replace that knowledge.

WanDaMan 06-30-2004 11:29 PM

Kai, how did you learn to speak Japanese?
A book? (I might try and pick some language up)

No joke either.

Polo 06-30-2004 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
1) It isn't even valid romaji, dude. The word you're thinking of is 'sekai'.
2) Translation isn't an injective process. The Japanese language doesn't perfectly map onto ours. The words 'world' and 'sekai' are not identical - each has subtle flavors that aren't reflected in simple dictionaries.

Translation should be left to those with at least some knowledge of both languages. You can't expect a webpage or a book to replace that knowledge.

Nicely said. I believe the world he wants is Shikai, which sort of means 'The Seven Seas', although my japanese is exteremely limited so I imagine i've got my definition wrong here.

Crono 06-30-2004 11:59 PM

I dont like japanese. Anime nerds take it then yell japanese things and read manga all day OHOEONS KONICHIWADAFALG!!1 ^_____________________________________^

XJOKERX 07-01-2004 02:00 AM

First of all, as previously stated, THE PLAYERWORLD FORUM. Second of all, before you post anything you should of had at least 1 screenshot, cmon. Third, what Kai said. Also if your going to make a Japanese server dont put modern in it, make it ancient japan before it was western influenced.

BTW For the record Kai is right. I aimed a link to this thread to a Japanese friend of mine (Who is from Japan)

Malinko 07-01-2004 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami
Era sucks too wan, what the hell are you talking about. Bravo had lots of potential but the manager was immature.

Bravo could not survive with over a few people with level 4 RC and all carrying on their own ideas.

Genesis 07-01-2004 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by WanDaMan
Just carry on playing Era, Save your self the trouble of paying for a playerworld..
Modern servers - suck (apart from Era).

Kai owned him.

WanDaMan

why are you so hostile towards other people?

Scott 07-01-2004 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by XJOKERX
First of all, as previously stated, THE PLAYERWORLD FORUM. Second of all, before you post anything you should of had at least 1 screenshot, cmon. Third, what Kai said. Also if your going to make a Japanese server dont put modern in it, make it ancient japan before it was western influenced.

BTW For the record Kai is right. I aimed a link to this thread to a Japanese friend of mine (Who is from Japan)

What's wrong with have a modern-Japan based server? Who are you to put his ideas down? If he is able to employ original ideas, I think that's good. I've always been interested in the Yakuza, and that whole 'Triad' thing myself. Although I'm not a fan of modern servers either, you're telling him not to make a modern server... which is hypocritical. :\

Kaimetsu 07-01-2004 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by WanDaMan
Kai, how did you learn to speak Japanese?
A book?

Well, I'm by no means fluent yet. I'm working my way through Pimsleur's audio course, along with this book. The latter is quite inappropriately titled, but useful nonetheless.

davidpsy 07-01-2004 09:53 AM

Jese guys.. You could of been a little more friendly to him..

WanDaMan 07-01-2004 10:33 AM

Ah thanks, I might purchase, still got a bit of money left :)
Thanks

GarethOmni 07-01-2004 07:22 PM

I dont freaking care how inaccurate im being...Im trying to be creative,I know or...pretty,much know what a good server needs.It seems to me a good server needs to be interactive...in more than one way so the players can always find something to do. Server needs a good manager, one who is not only nice but is strict when it comes to rules. Server needs good structure and maybe a storyline so as to not be so chaotic.

XJOKERX 07-01-2004 07:24 PM

I know but just because you know that doesn't mean you can execute it, a lot of people know that but they can't get it right. Best of luck.
But seriously modern chinese would be sorta lame...

GarethOmni 07-01-2004 07:30 PM

Yeah, Well im going to do my best.
And if it doesnt work...ill know i alteast did my best.
That will be enough for me. and WanDaMan, Those guys arent half as bad as some pricks ive ran into on era.

matt8891 07-02-2004 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GarethOmni
Yeah, Well im going to do my best.
And if it doesnt work...ill know i alteast did my best.
That will be enough for me. and WanDaMan, Those guys arent half as bad as some pricks ive ran into on era.

I agree.....Some have the worst attitude ive seen....Good luck with your playerworld btw.

Kaimetsu 07-02-2004 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GarethOmni
I dont freaking care how inaccurate im being

That's not a good attitude for a server manager.

davidpsy 07-02-2004 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
That's not a good attitude for a server manager.

And your constant drivil is not helping his attitude either...

Stop making such a huge deal about such a small aspact of the playerworld.

Kaimetsu 07-02-2004 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by davidpsy
And your constant drivil is not helping his attitude either...

Oh look, you learned a word. Just not how to spell it...

You don't think that pointing out a person's mistakes is a good way to help them fix those mistakes? And do you honestly believe that you can get away with labelling anybody's comments as 'drivel', without even backing it up?

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Stop making such a huge deal about such a small aspact of the playerworld.
A huge deal, now? A small aspect? Wrong on both counts. I was hardly making "a huge deal" about it with my first post - I simply informed him that his title was incorrect. When he disagreed, I explained my reasoning. I don't think this constitutes an overreaction.

And as for it being a "small aspect": Do you think Everquest would have sold so many copies if it were named 'Everqeust'? The title of the playerworld is representative of the entire gameworld, and often the first thing that potential players see. It's hardly a place where you want errors.

You are the one demeaning our would-be manager, by implying that he needs your protection against a tiny, innocuous correction. I'm willing to wager that he doesn't need a new mother, Donald. Stop trying to fill the role.

davidpsy 07-02-2004 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
Oh look, you learned a word. Just not how to spell it...

Pointing out someone’s spelling is really low, but it is expected being the arrogant jerk you so happen to be. I shall use spell check from now on...

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
You don't think that pointing out a person's mistakes is a good way to help them fix those mistakes?

No, I think pointing out someone’s mistakes is a good way to help them fix their mistakes. However I do not think pointing out their mistakes while being an arrogant jerk about it is a good way to help them fix their mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
And do you honestly believe that you can get away with labelling anybody's comments as 'drivel', without even backing it up?

It was my opinion, so yes I believe I can "get away" :rolleyes: with stating my opinion (as long as it is within the confines of the rules) without backing it up, Kaimetsu.

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
A huge deal, now? A small aspect? Wrong on both counts. I was hardly making "a huge deal" about it with my first post - I simply informed him that his title was incorrect. When he disagreed, I explained my reasoning. I don't think this constitutes an overreaction.

Yes but it was the way you said it that made it seem like he was inferior.

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
And as for it being a "small aspect": Do you think Everquest would have sold so many copies if it were named 'Everqeust'? The title of the playerworld is representative of the entire gameworld, and often the first thing that potential players see. It's hardly a place where you want errors.

Yeah well maybe you wouldn’t of bought Everquest if it was spelled Everqeust but most people probably wouldn’t care about the name, once they see the screen shots and hear about the content they would want to play it and they would buy it.

Lets take the card game Yu Gi Ho for example. Lots of kids play it, they probably don’t know what the word "Yu Gi Ho" even means but they still buy the cards and play the game..

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
You are the one demeaning our would-be manager, by implying that he needs your protection against a tiny, innocuous correction. I'm willing to wager that he doesn't need a new mother, Donald. Stop trying to fill the role.

A tiny innocuous correction, Kaimetsu? Well last I knew you had just implied that the "tiny innocuous correction" was actually very important.

And as for the mother stuff, I'm not even going to respond to that...

Crono 07-02-2004 04:07 PM

Donald you can't beat Kai x_x;

-sucks up to kai and screams like a fan girl-

WanDaMan 07-02-2004 04:25 PM

isn't it yu-gi-oh?

donald your fighting a losing battle :(

XJOKERX 07-02-2004 05:29 PM

Wan You Stole What I Was About To Say!

Kaimetsu 07-02-2004 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by davidpsy
Pointing out someone’s spelling is really low

Lower than attacking a person without provocation, as you did? You were the one to start the hostilities, kiddo. An insult is an insult.

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No, I think pointing out someone’s mistakes is a good way to help them fix their mistakes. However I do not think pointing out their mistakes while being an arrogant jerk about it is a good way to help them fix their mistakes.
Can you actually point out any examples of arrogance in the messages I sent to him, or are you just relying on baseless insults here?

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It was my opinion, so yes I believe I can "get away" :rolleyes: with stating my opinion
Oh, don't misinterpret. I wasn't implying that you would face any trouble from our wonderful moderators or any such thing. Rather that, simply, everybody would laugh at you. Opinions are fine, but when they're based on petulant rage instead of logic, people tend to assign them less value.

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Yes but it was the way you said it that made it seem like he was inferior.
Haha, could you get any more vague? If you're going to make accusations like this, you should at least be prepared to back them up :rolleyes:

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Yeah well maybe you wouldn’t of bought Everquest if it was spelled Everqeust but most people probably wouldn’t care about the name
Then evidently you have no understanding of the gaming public. Virtually nobody buys MMORPGs for pretty screenshots. They care about the reputation, the image. And what kind of image does a misspelled title present? One of unprofessionalism and lack of attention to detail.

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Lets take the card game Yu Gi Ho for example. Lots of kids play it, they probably don’t know what the word "Yu Gi Ho" even means but they still buy the cards and play the game
Indeed they do. However, this does not support your point in any way, because you cannot show that, if there were an error in the title, the sales would be just as high. I'll grant that misspellations of Japanese words aren't as bad, since few amongst the target audience speak the language, but it's still a negative factor that simply doesn't have to exist. How long does it take to change the name of a playerworld that probably hasn't even started yet?

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A tiny innocuous correction, Kaimetsu? Well last I knew you had just implied that the "tiny innocuous correction" was actually very important.
And last I knew, the words 'tiny' and 'unimportant' weren't actually equivalent. For example, a tiny change to a script can make a big difference, no?

And as for the word 'innocuous'... do you even know what it means?

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And as for the mother stuff, I'm not even going to respond to that...
Why are you responding at all? Surely by now you know how this thing works.

davidpsy 07-02-2004 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
Lower than attacking a person without provocation, as you did? You were the one to start the hostilities, kiddo. An insult is an insult.
Can you actually point out any examples of arrogance in the messages I sent to him, or are you just relying on baseless insults here?

You were the one who started this by being so arrogant towards the creator of this thread. Examples? Alright.

GarethOmni: The server im making is called Sehkai which is the Japanese word for world.
Kaimetsu: No it isn't.

Right from the start you just tell him he is wrong. You state a 3 word sentence with a capital N and a period at the end giving the illusion of a strong and defiant "no it is not!".

Everyone makes errors, some errors are large and some are quite small. You are obsessing on a small relatively inconsequential error. You also pointed out the error to him in a hostile and demeaning manner. This manner of relating to others often has the effect of creating conflict rather then meaningful discussion and positive effect. Perhaps you would do well to engage in some self reflection regarding your own petulant rage disguised as logic.


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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
Oh, don't misinterpret. I wasn't implying that you would face any trouble from our wonderful moderators or any such thing. Rather that, simply, everybody would laugh at you. Opinions are fine, but when they're based on petulant rage instead of logic, people tend to assign them less value.

Its very evident that you are implying you have extreme dislike for the Graal forum moderators...



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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
Then evidently you have no understanding of the gaming public. Virtually nobody buys MMORPGs for pretty screenshots. They care about the reputation, the image. And what kind of image does a misspelled title present? One of unprofessionalism and lack of attention to detail.

Yes, but the majority of people who play this game do not speak Japanese, and would not know what the word means or how it is spelled.


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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
Indeed they do. However, this does not support your point in any way, because you cannot show that, if there were an error in the title, the sales would be just as high. I'll grant that misspellations of Japanese words aren't as bad, since few amongst the target audience speak the language, but it's still a negative factor that simply doesn't have to exist. How long does it take to change the name of a playerworld that probably hasn't even started yet?

It does not take very long at all, but he is having a "bad attitude" towards this because of the way you told him.


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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
And last I knew, the words 'tiny' and 'unimportant' weren't actually equivalent. For example, a tiny change to a script can make a big difference, no?

Don’t play dumb with me, you know as well as I know the way in which you used those words gave the implications of their being equivalent... Even if their definition in reality is not equivalent.

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
And as for the word 'innocuous'... do you even know what it means?

I am perfectly aware of what the word innocuous means...


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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
Why are you responding at all? Surely by now you know how this thing works.

Because I'm tired of you being such a jerk to people.

Crono 07-02-2004 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by davidpsy
Because I'm tired of you being such a jerk to people.

He's the only person on this whole forum that can take globals/super mods at the same time and WIN. Or go far enough for them to lock the thread because they ran out of things to use against him.

Kaimetsu 07-02-2004 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by davidpsy
GarethOmni: The server im making is called Sehkai which is the Japanese word for world.
Kaimetsu: No it isn't.

Right from the start you just tell him he is wrong.

And that's arrogance? Informing him of a fact in a concise manner? What dictionary are you using?

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You state a 3 word sentence with a capital N and a period at the end giving the illusion of a strong and defiant "no it is not!".
Oh, now it is arrogant to observe the rules of English? I capitalise every first word, you fool. I always use a '.' at the end. This isn't defiance, it's knowing how to type properly.

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Everyone makes errors, some errors are large and some are quite small. You are obsessing on a small relatively inconsequential error.
Obsessing? I already covered this. I pointed out his error and then, when he failed to see it on his own, I described it for him. Nobody in his right mind would describe this as obsessive behaviour.

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You also pointed out the error to him in a hostile and demeaning manner.
Yeah, you can tell by how I used an apostrophe in the "isn't". An apostrophe of defiance!

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This manner of relating to others often has the effect of creating conflict
Only in those who are too insecure to accept their own mistakes. Their tantrums are meaningless to me.

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Perhaps you would do well to engage in some self reflection regarding your own petulant rage disguised as logic.
Again and again you throw baseless insults. What, are you gonna insult my hairstyle next?

1) There was nothing illogical about my explanation on the nature of translation.
2) There is absolutely no indication that my posting herein is fueled by rage. I have been calm and methodical throughout, while you have childishly overreacted to a non-existent slight.

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Its very evident that you are implying you have extreme dislike for the Graal forum moderators...
Yes, and elsewhere I've stated it explicitly. Is there something wrong with this - am I not entitled to my opinion?

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Yes, but the majority of people who play this game do not speak Japanese, and would not know what the word means or how it is spelled.
I already answered this. You might do well to read my posts all the way through before replying.

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It does not take very long at all, but he is having a "bad attitude" towards this because of the way you told him
If that's the case then he isn't fit to be a manager. That's neither my fault nor my problem, and it won't be changed by pretending his mistakes don't exist.

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Don’t play dumb with me, you know as well as I know the way in which you used those words gave the implications of their being equivalent
Hardly. Note the context - I used the word 'tiny' along with the word 'innocuous', suggesting that the former's scope is related to the meaning of the latter. In other words, the capacity to insult was tiny. If you interpreted it differently then chalk it up to your lack of reading ability, because it's quite obvious that I wouldn't contradict myself in the manner that you describe.

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Because I'm tired of you being such a jerk to people.
No, because you're tired of me consistently blocking you on AIM and telling you to leave me alone. You saw an opportunity to attack me and, somehow, suddenly forgot that you suck at arguments.

Tyrial 07-02-2004 09:24 PM

Kaimetsu you self biased bastard, stop begin a jerk to donald just because YOU think of this and that.. there's 6 billion people on the ****ing world! NOBODY GIVES A **** ABOUT YOU AND YOU ONLY!

JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK SOMETHING DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT!

davidpsy 07-02-2004 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
And that's arrogance? Informing him of a fact in a concise manner? What dictionary are you using?
Oh, now it is arrogant to observe the rules of English? I capitalise every first word, you fool. I always use a '.' at the end. This isn't defiance, it's knowing how to type properly.
Obsessing? I already covered this. I pointed out his error and then, when he failed to see it on his own, I described it for him. Nobody in his right mind would describe this as obsessive behaviour.
Yeah, you can tell by how I used an apostrophe in the "isn't". An apostrophe of defiance!
Only in those who are too insecure to accept their own mistakes. Their tantrums are meaningless to me.
Again and again you throw baseless insults. What, are you gonna insult my hairstyle next?
1) There was nothing illogical about my explanation on the nature of translation.
2) There is absolutely no indication that my posting herein is fueled by rage. I have been calm and methodical throughout, while you have childishly overreacted to a non-existent slight.
Yes, and elsewhere I've stated it explicitly. Is there something wrong with this - am I not entitled to my opinion?
I already answered this. You might do well to read my posts all the way through before replying.
If that's the case then he isn't fit to be a manager. That's neither my fault nor my problem, and it won't be changed by pretending his mistakes don't exist.
Hardly. Note the context - I used the word 'tiny' along with the word 'innocuous', suggesting that the former's scope is related to the meaning of the latter. In other words, the capacity to insult was tiny. If you interpreted it differently then chalk it up to your lack of reading ability, because it's quite obvious that I wouldn't contradict myself in the manner that you describe.
No, because you're tired of me consistently blocking you on AIM and telling you to leave me alone. You saw an opportunity to attack me and, somehow, suddenly forgot that you suck at arguments.

The problem is not with your knowledge. The problem is your demeaning arrogant style of interacting with others. There is a long pattern of this sort of behavior by you that goes back a very long time. It has gotten very old. What makes its worse is that you, apparently, are totally blind to this major personality flaw that you possess in such great abundance.

GoZelda 07-02-2004 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by davidspy
You were the one who started this by being so arrogant towards the creator of this thread. Examples? Alright.

GarethOmni: The server im making is called Sehkai which is the Japanese word for world.
Kaimetsu: No it isn't.

Usually people just call that bluntness or something of the likes, not arrogance.

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Originally Posted by Tyrial
Kaimetsu you self biased bastard, stop begin a jerk to donald just because YOU think of this and that.. there's 6 billion people on the ****ing world! NOBODY GIVES A **** ABOUT YOU AND YOU ONLY!

JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK SOMETHING DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT!

But it does for Donald, according to your attitude.

Kaimetsu 07-03-2004 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrial
Kaimetsu you self biased bastard, stop begin a jerk to donald just because YOU think of this and that..

I'm being a jerk? He was the first to throw an insult, and he continued to repeatedly call me arrogant etc. All I did was respond to his attacks.

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Originally Posted by Tyrial
JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK SOMETHING DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT!

Just because you don't like me doesn't make me wrong. If you disagree with some of the points I've made then address them directly. Don't cower behind vague whining.

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Originally Posted by davidpsy
The problem is not with your knowledge. The problem is your demeaning arrogant style of interacting with others.

A style that you have yet to actually identify or support with examples. Despite my numerous challenges, you still refuse to back up your insults. If you're just here to throw stones then don't waste my time.

Spark910 07-03-2004 01:03 PM

Don't do this, continue to go off into a discussin/argument between users in a thread and you'll be banned. Thread closed.


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