medium relics
 

Are medium relics such as ogmas bracers working? I with help of items got up to 163 base grace and prayed for 3 hrs and nothing.
waterlord did the same. I changed gods , lost 3 levels , to try to get bracers , me be fumed if it dont work .

Ogma's Bracers cannot be received yet. Stefan has to fix it, but before he does, I hope he nerfs it a bit because it's a medium relic. If it were a high relic, I wouldn't mind the stats. Or maybe if you can't EA it at all that'd be good too.

It really pisses me off that these bracers are listed in Ogma's relics, yet you can't obtain them. A big part of the reason that I switched from gov to ogma is so I could get them.

Do us all a favor: Complain more. People like me don't complain. As a 14 wisdom level Ogma worshipper, it's not that big of a deal to us...
Take initiative, lead the war, etc...
Bring change. Be heard.

Tried it before, it doesn't work. Either the staff don't agree, or are too busy, or some other stuff along these lines, or the masses of other people with the same problem never bother to join in. You might share an opinion with the whole other playercount, but if you're the only one voicing that opinion it isn't too powerful :(

Edit: Plus you get flamed and flamed and flamed for complaining, which i don't mind personally but ehh ;)

While we're at it - refine the whole system to make high level actually reachable for more than 0.01% of the players - make the steps 50, 125 and 200, and maybe tone the items down where required...

The stats should not be nerfed.
Not only do some of bracers stats not work due to wearing armor but this is a relic, relics are meant to be good. There are other really advantageous relics and spells granted by other Gods so don't give me that crap DX. Ogma is basically crap without that relic, that relic is the only reason I pray to him and still isn't worth it to some people (I'm actually considering switching even if it existed -_-) Are you also aware there are bracers with dex+2 on the server? I'm also sure the regen+1 is really helpful as most people wear RoSs + RoWs that pray to Ogma *sarcasm*

Edit: If I recall correctly you yourself wanted those bracers but managed to get 30 str without it and switched Gods but now you decide to make a complaint? How selfish. I also believe low, medium, high should be 50, 100, 200 respectively.

Yeah, i agree. Pity most of the relics just get drowned by the alch/event items =/

Humm, i reckon that it should either be how satrek suggested (50, 125, and 200) but if it were to be 50 then 100, i think the high one should be 150 (to make a pretty pattern ;)) or 175 (probably 175, because the high relics really are that much better) :O

You are calling ME selfish when YOU bug me for a year for my Blood Ring then you say Stefan is going to release more (just so you can have dual)? Please Chris, if anyone is selfish, it's you. Just because I wouldn't give you my Blood Ring you were going to complain to Stefan to make more just so you can have dual. Now that is selfish. Also when you finally do get my BR, you decide to become inactive and plan on quitting. Why?

Also the stats ARE too high. It is medium for crying out loud. I mean, the stats should stay if it can't be EA'd at all but if it can be made +10, then the stats should be nerfed big time, or atleast change it to high and not medium.

Edit: Also here are the stats of it
Bracers of Ogma (medium, rare)
Strength +2
armour+ 30
resist cold +20
Damage +15
Regeneration +1

Now, lets look. If this item were +10, that would be +25 damage (5 IWD alone). The strength +2 alone can put most people at 30 strength which gives a lot more damage and speed (because of increased weight limit). The armour would also be around 50+ if it were +10 and all that for a medium relic is WAY too much.

"You are calling ME selfish when YOU bug me for a year for my Blood Ring"

Er...you bugged me to use mine than I bugged you to use yours. Sure I offered trades once every few friggin months.

"you say Stefan is going to release more (just so you can have dual)?"

No, I said I was going to suggest putting it in this upcoming "item shop" where e-coins would be used and not "just so I can have dual" but because I think it's only fair considering I now own dual and they aren't much of a great ring compared to RoWs or RoEs in many ways and shouldn't be limited to the public :)

"Please Chris, if anyone is selfish, it's you."

Back that up, dude the amount of (and quality of the) things I've given to friends and even people I don't know for Christmas (hell, whenever I'm on) all the players on GK combined can't. Especially when I don't accept anything in return.

"Also when you finally do get my BR, you decide to become inactive and plan on quitting. Why?"

What the hell? I'm on every day, just today I did some map hunting and pked a guy I saw hacking ^^ Plan on quitting, err...no. I was one time _considering_ it though and it was before I got dual BRs (not like that is even relevant.)

"Also the stats ARE too high. It is medium for crying out loud. I mean, the stats should stay if it can't be EA'd at all but if it can be made +10, then the stats should be nerfed big time, or atleast change it to high and not medium."

No they're not. High is insane man! People can barely get half of high, there is no bloody reason to pray to Ogma over any other God. At medium the only people that can get it are waterlord and some other dude as it is who switched Gods.

"Strength +2"
Everyone I know has gotten 30 str without it so far

"armour+ 30 "

Useless, you don't get a full 30, I currently have armor+92 or so and when I unequip my gloves of sorig with 30+ armor I barely lose 2 armor. There are people with 97, that won't even change a thing.

"resist cold +20 "

Not bad although useless unless they have something else like a blue dragon amulet.

"Damage +15 "

Nice ^^

"Regeneration +1 "
Completely useless. Refer to previous post.

Do you know the stats of other freakin relics!? Do you know the benefits other Gods give? Do you know there are currently bracers with dex+2?

These bracers aren't released yet ? When will they, I pray to ogma and haven't gotten anything good from him, selfish bastard.

Well you say the strength, armour, regeneration +1 and resist cold isn't all that great. So if all that gets removed, it should be fine, right? So the bracers should only do damage +15 and everyone will be happy 8-)

Also I do know there are Dex +2 bracers out there. What does that have to do with Ogma Bracers? Dex +2 comes nowhere near in comparison to Str +2, Dam +15, resist cold +20, armour +30 and regeneration +1.

Umm these relics were thought out by many people when the information base was created -- created by people smarter than you and I in this area. So don't start saying "they are too strong"
or "blah blah blah" about that... Leave them the way they are.

Oh, you Ogma people, just prepare a sword to a bunch of wisdom potions and add wisdom scrolls to it and get a higher base. Then you get his High relic.

I'd take Aengus' bow over those bracers any day. 30 damage, 3 luck, 8kg... prepare that, and its a mass damage causing weapon... double that of every other bow. Oh, it's also naturally +5. That's an extra 5 damage... plus extra WC... Tons better than those bracers :P. Who needs extra resistances when nothing can get close enough to touch you?

The bracers don't even compare to most of the items I've seen. I still want them though, I pray to ogma and he hasn't given me crap. You shouldn't lower the stats on it, it was made that way to even everything out, and its still not even super strong.

You guys think that is strong? Try sorigs chainmail of berwean

Which is on high level, if I'm not mistaken... anyone ever got that high?

Besides, Aengus Bow is... meduim? High?

Actually, it's of electricity...
It's medium.

Humm =/
About the aengus thing: i thought the bow couldn't even be used due to no ganis being created for it or some poop =/

About the "these things being created by peolpe smarter than you or i"...i thought these things were made on some free thingy unrelated to graal, where high grace and stat potions and stuff were -easy- to get. It isn't easy to get the high grace on GK.

About the "just get wis scrolls on a sword": Lol, this takes a long long time. Most players are too lazy to do it, and i don't really blame them. It is -hard- (i'm slowly trying though :() and i'm not really complaining about this....

As far as I know, grace is quite easy to raise in CF - for example, cause wounds punches through monsters, hitting them behind, and stat potions are common - hence the requirements of 2 for the first stat bonus, 4 for the second on a weapon and so on.

I do believe, though, that Ed had/has the bow...

Yeah ed has the bow, but i coulda sworn he told me it didn't work due to no ganis or something... :(

Make the bow work, guys!

It just needs graphics, which only need to be uploaded. I made some myself, and yes they suck, but they're better than nothing :P.

Doesn't the bow already have gfx, according to Ed's screenshots? Or is it just the mud_img?
Besides, I'd like to know which relics work at all - would there be a shield of earth for someone who can get that high? Or the gloves, at least?

Yeah, there's just the mud img, which i used to make that bow :P. And yes, brigid's relics should work, and if you had the gloves (medium), you would have a huge advantage over most, because your punch would get so much better and maybe confuse some people as well. (example: "graaliholic's punch burns you.") the shield is probably obtainable as well, though unless someone knows where they can get 2 power without the use of a weapon, gloves, rings, helm, or amulet, you won't reach high anytime soon. Me, with max stats on pow/wis, both blood rings, gloves of arcania, and FHoV, I can hit 154 grace, which is at 27 on both stats... get the thunder sigil(or whatever it is) for 1 pow and 3 wis... you can have 28/30. so just find 2 more power and high *is* obtainable, though not likely.

Humm, they aren't -bad- graphics, but they just aren't extravagant(sp) enough to be a mighty relic! :O

And about the not getting power with rings and stuff, i say this: Backstab! . Get to like mega high grace with a god that does allow weapons and stuff, and then switch to brigid afterwards ;)

Brigid is great for leveling wis because of the strongest avatar, but because you can't use weapons, you can't use your super wis+ and pow+ sword.

Yeah. If i ever manage to get 20 wis/pow, and prep a weapon with wis/pow scrolls, then i'll nuke my wisdom level back down to like, lvl1, go to balor and flaming aura until lvl12 or something. Then switch to a better god with a better avatar, say, bile or leuc, and power my way up the grace scale! That way i can use my prepped sword from lvl1.

Uhm... would someone enlighten me about why it's necessary to get your wisdom level down to like lv1 for that? Why not switch directly to a good god with a strong avatar and level up from there? In my experience, the grace you get per level is set, not affected by any stats...

Because, say you had two people, both at level 5 wisdom. Let's call them person A and person B.

Now, if person A has 20 power and levels up in wisdom, his base grace will go up by x.
If person B only has 10 power, and levels up in wisdom, his base grace will go up by a smaller amount than x.

So you see, if you have more power and such from an earlier wisdom level, your base grace will skyrocket and probably be -very- high, maybe around 100, by level 20 - whereas with less power, you will only have around 50 base grace by level 20, like lil' old me o_o


That's my theory, anyway. I think it's right...

Hm... Never thought that stats would affect the raise... wouldn't be fair, in my opinion, but what do I know about the system? ;)

I can see why you would think that, though it's completely false. If the two people had those stats, and then leveled up to level 10 (when grace starts to slow down), and then this person B got their power up to 20, they would both have the same grace, unless either person A or person B took some improvement potions, then one will be slightly higher than the other. Also note that wisdom stat affects grace too, not just power. Maybe that's why your grace is so low, maybe you haven't taken any improvement potions, but any of these things will affect your grace, though.

:o really? that's a bummer :(

:rolleyes:

No offense