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neomaximus2k2 02-10-2003 04:54 PM

:(
 
Add another person to the hacked list :(
i lost 2 ROT's at least 40+diamonds and a lot more :(
needless to say i am really peed about it :(

Kaimetsu 02-10-2003 04:56 PM

Hacked. Psch. Almost none of the people who make this claim have actually been hacked.

Zurkiba 02-10-2003 05:05 PM

Scammer and Hacker are differnt.

neomaximus2k2 02-10-2003 09:07 PM

How do i know i was hacked?

1) Only me and 1 other person know's each other's password. He is on vacation

2) I received a message via a windows error display stating that i should go online, this got around my firewall, both hardware and software version

3) After going online i recevied another one saying that the items where hidden across the kingdoms. I spent Hours collecting them all back and still didn't get them all.

4) I work for a bank in the UK, the information on my PC relates to a lot of security issues and the firewall is tested by the company once a week for whole or floors.

I would not rtisk loosing a lvl 9 character with 20+spells just for fun.

--Chris-- 02-10-2003 09:11 PM

Maybe it was RampantCentaur O.o
I heard he is some uber hacker x.x

Zurkiba 02-10-2003 09:21 PM

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Originally posted by neomaximus2k2
1) Only me and 1 other person know's each other's password. He is on vacation

This right here destroys any chance of help =x
Sorry

konidias 02-10-2003 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by neomaximus2k2
How do i know i was hacked?

1) Only me and 1 other person know's each other's password. He is on vacation

2) I received a message via a windows error display stating that i should go online, this got around my firewall, both hardware and software version

3) After going online i recevied another one saying that the items where hidden across the kingdoms. I spent Hours collecting them all back and still didn't get them all.

4) I work for a bank in the UK, the information on my PC relates to a lot of security issues and the firewall is tested by the company once a week for whole or floors.

I would not rtisk loosing a lvl 9 character with 20+spells just for fun.

You weren't hacked, your PC has a trojan virus. If you're recieving "windows errors" with non-error messages, you're definitely infected with a trojan. Subseven does those fake error messages. Maybe your firewall just... sucks.

Kinatt 02-11-2003 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by --Chris--
Maybe it was RampantCentaur O.o
I heard he is some uber hacker x.x

Yes he is a hacker hes hacked a few playerworlds from what I have heard, and hacked into g2k2.

magicbud3344 02-11-2003 03:26 AM

god damnit, i got a damn trojan and i have no damn clue how, i'm sad now, well i do know how, it's from kazza, anyways :O
so wtf how does that trojan shiz work?
it's like they send it and can see all tect on your comp? or people just magicly know? explane yourself

BeZeRkEr 02-11-2003 03:58 AM

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Originally posted by magicbud3344
god damnit, i got a damn trojan and i have no damn clue how, i'm sad now, well i do know how, it's from kazza, anyways :O
so wtf how does that trojan shiz work?
it's like they send it and can see all tect on your comp? or people just magicly know? explane yourself

And type things in for you, get saved data, add new data, delete your data, get saved passwords and credit cards, open window browsers, make fake error messages, make your cdrom drive open, flip you screen upside down, and the list goes on and on..

Kaimetsu 02-11-2003 05:56 AM

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Originally posted by Kinatt


Yes he is a hacker hes hacked a few playerworlds from what I have heard, and hacked into g2k2.

Like hell he did. He's just a stupid wannabe.

Locke_boy 02-11-2003 06:25 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Like hell he did. He's just a stupid wannabe.

*cheer*

brock128 02-11-2003 02:14 PM

To get rid of a trojan, some can be deleted from virus scanners.... And there's some software that deletes the trojan, but makes the other person think it's still there, and gives them a message basically saying "OMG U SUX." There's more stuff out there, methinks.

neomaximus2k2 02-11-2003 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by konidias


You weren't hacked, your PC has a trojan virus. If you're recieving "windows errors" with non-error messages, you're definitely infected with a trojan. Subseven does those fake error messages. Maybe your firewall just... sucks.

Nope no trojan, nothiong comes in or out without me knowing and it displays in the log.

Windows errors can be sent without the use of trojans, a college invented a programe to do just that alas i do not have the site url but still have the exe.

the part about my friend having tha password, he had my old one lol not the one I used when it got hacked.

Zurkiba 02-11-2003 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by magicbud3344
so wtf how does that trojan shiz work?
it's like they send it and can see all tect on your comp? or people just magicly know? explane yourself

Usally Trojans are put into Zip files, that is a way to EVADE the Firewalls. But most newbie hackers just send the Trojan with the title of server.exe :D

The more experienced hackers mask the title of the program, Like there can be a omgcoolsong.mp3 which is a Trojan. OR they can merge two files together so when you open it, it'll open a file but the Trojan is at work behind it.

When you open a Trojan then it makes your computer go "Hey, anything coming from this port is friendly so I should let them in". Therefore hackers connect to your IP through any number of ports (It's like 200 ports). From inside they have a directory to your cache (Credit Card, Passwords, etc), they can spy your software, or just ruin your life. And of coarse, they cant implant spywares and virii.

It's real easy to gain IPs via Forum (Not Graal's), AIM (Direct Connection or Link), and some other ways.
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To remove a Trojan you can do two things:
Contact your Local friendly hacker to dissolve it
or
Get a virii scan and find it and defuse it.

Sometimes deleting the Trojan isn't enough.
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Just dont download any files you're not sure about o.o

zell12 02-11-2003 08:12 PM

To solve this, reformat.
And neo, nobody would take the time to hide 10k+ worth of items around GK when the "hacker" can use them himself.

Kaimetsu 02-11-2003 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by Zurkiba

Usally Trojans are put into Zip files, that is a way to EVADE the Firewalls. But most newbie hackers just send the Trojan with the title of server.exe :D

Dude. What?

1) Putting a trojan in a zip file just means that the person has to decompress it before they can run it. It doesn't bypass any kind of security, and arguably makes it even less likely that the victim will infect themselves.
2) Firewalls don't prevent the installation of trojans anyway; they merely block their incoming/outgoing messages.

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The more experienced hackers mask the title of the program, Like there can be a omgcoolsong.mp3 which is a Trojan.
Wha? Files with a .mp3 extension are interpreted by media players, they are never executed as machine code.

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OR they can merge two files together so when you open it, it'll open a file but the Trojan is at work behind it.
Sure, but that'll only work if the file is an executable, and the only benefit they gain is that the user doesn't become suspicious.

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When you open a Trojan then it makes your computer go "Hey, anything coming from this port is friendly so I should let them in".
No it doesn't. It provides a server that recieves and interprets incoming signals and follows the commands therein. It doesn't make your computer believe anything. I don't think you're clear on what a port actually is. It's not a hole through which people tell your OS to do stuff.

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And of coarse, they cant implant spywares and virii.
Yet they can.

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Sometimes deleting the Trojan isn't enough.
Yes it is, if you delete all instances of it.

Zurkiba 02-12-2003 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Dude. What?

1) Putting a trojan in a zip file just means that the person has to decompress it before they can run it. It doesn't bypass any kind of security, and arguably makes it even less likely that the victim will infect themselves.
2) Firewalls don't prevent the installation of trojans anyway; they merely block their incoming/outgoing messages.

1) Putting it in a Zip means that the Firewall only detects the overlayer (The zip) and not the inside. So therefore when unzipped, the firewall doesn't check it untill ran.

2) The Firewalls I used to have would block anything illigal trying to run on the computer.

Quote:

Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Wha? Files with a .mp3 extension are interpreted by media players, they are never executed as machine code.

It was an example, Like Trojans can be .exe .com anything.


Quote:

Originally posted by Kaimetsu

No it doesn't. It provides a server that recieves and interprets incoming signals and follows the commands therein. It doesn't make your computer believe anything. I don't think you're clear on what a port actually is. It's not a hole through which people tell your OS to do stuff.

Yet again, I was making it more understandable for people who dont read Computer Manuals.

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Yet they can.

Typo =x... It's supposed to be can

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Yes it is, if you delete all instances of it.

Sometimes, The Trojan can infect other files and/or create a clone of itself in another directory.

brock128 02-12-2003 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by Zurkiba
Sometimes, The Trojan can infect other files and/or create a clone of itself in another directory.
Then you'd delete said files. 2 + 2 = 4. It's not that hard.

neomaximus2k2 02-12-2003 12:45 AM

Well again i have Anti-Virus another request from work.

That would have spotted any trojan on the system, seeing as how it is updated daily.

This has turned into a virus war LOL I know all about trojans i spent enough time repairing pc's that have had them on their systems to know how to remove many of them :(

Kaimetsu 02-12-2003 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by Zurkiba
1) Putting it in a Zip means that the Firewall only detects the overlayer (The zip) and not the inside. So therefore when unzipped, the firewall doesn't check it untill ran.
It doesn't work that way. When programs are run from inside zips, they're either loaded into a temporary directory first or decompress it into memory. Either way, the scanner would still deal with it.

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2) The Firewalls I used to have would block anything illigal trying to run on the computer.
Then they weren't firewalls, they were software packages containing both firewalls and virus scanners.

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It was an example, Like Trojans can be .exe .com anything.
Yes, but that hardly ever fools anybody. It's hardly the ploy of 'experienced hackers'.

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Sometimes, The Trojan can infect other files and/or create a clone of itself in another directory.
Then delete the clones. Deletion is always enough, if applied thoroughly.

LOA--Paul 02-12-2003 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by brock128

Then you'd delete said files. 2 + 2 = 4. It's not that hard.

Better to delete the virus file itself and clean the others, because you may delete an important windows file or something. You could get it back yes, but it would save a lot of time and effort to have Norton clean it or whatever you have.


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