Bandwidth?
 

Quick Question:

Voice Chat? 3D Graphics? How much bandwidth will all these new features require? I'm guessing there are still alot of subscribers using 56K Dial-Up to connect to the ineternet... And they're always lagged. It's cool, but is it practical? Will you be able to turn off these new features?

The fallen one still has dial-up.

Perhaps I should just trust that Stefan alredy considered this, he's usualy good about this sort of thing.

Re: Bandwidth?
 

Why would 3D graphics require more bandwidth?

Re: Re: Bandwidth?
 

*snicker*

...and so does PastAustin.

Kauz thay r all grafxie and that stfu 1sn't locole to ure komputa or ne than.

But I'm the insane fool... you... you stole my title... :(

It's also weighed off by the fact that since you have to upgrade for those features, you'll also just partly pay for the bandwidth costs.

As for the 3d terrain thing, it only needs to send information once.

The 3d terrain is calculated at runtime, actually the level data will be less because there is less tiling in the levels (just paths and stuff).
The voice chat will work by udp. The standard compression is GSM which takes 13 kbit for each person you speak with, but it will be reduced to LPC10 or so when there are more people, which then makes 2.4 kbit for each person, meaning with a 56kbit modem you can talk in full duplex with ~10 people (10*2*2.4). If it's a problem then you turn off your micro in the Graal options and set the voice volume to 0, then you will not get voice data from other people.

Well, I don't really use it that much, I usually use fool more. So yeah. I'll lease it to you for a while. :)

How can I contact you to work out the leasing details?

the voice chat will be fun.

Cyn, i did one:



Now sign on the dotted line

Hmm... ok. But before anything is finallized, I want my people to look over it too. :)

No. That will not do, I do not like to be pounded. :(

Nah. toad just goes insane when annoyed. Nothing to worry about. :)

how about I perform an experiment where i give you two half of each others brains, so when you are insane you both can be simultaniusly (sp).

stefn u r soe smert

Well, it'd be dangerous. Not to us though, but to other people, maybe. Too much insanity can have drastic effects. >:]

WOW, I didn't know you could stream Audible Audio with that little bandwidth! Very nice Stefan!

You're right, it could have very bad consequences. Although, it could also be quite fun. :)

Bah I have been the insane fool longer than you all! You stole my title!
(My online me has always been insane, as alk has always been the fallen angel) :)

Bah. I've been insane all my life. I was BORN insane.

Therefore... I AM... THE INSANE FOOL!@! HEAHAEHEAHAEHEA!

ahem. :)

No! I was admited to the insane asylum a few years ago, so blah!

It's interesting to test this voice stuff. There are voice codecs that only take 225 bytes each second but provide good quality

Egads, modern compression rates are amazing :eek:

This topic has turned into spam about insanity titles... How? dunno. x.x

I personally can't wait for voice chat. Though I myself will just listen.... not say much =P

Thats awesome! It'll be interesting to see how it takes off though... might get confusing in crowed areas as to who is speaking, or alot of players might have mic's connected. I always think it's nice when you can eaisly minimise a game, or turn off the sound without missing out, so you can hide it from your boss! hehe. (I don't need to do that though.)

Stefan:

A few quick questions:

Are you the only programer, still or are there more people helping out with Graal? I'll be going to school for CS in the fall, and I'd love to help out with Graal over the next few years.

How do you feel about the GNU GPL?